Breakingthewall

Well, Jesus really was a very simple guy. He wasn't particularly smart, he just had a very slight ego. He was a true mystic, a guy who completely listened to the voice inside him, and if he had to go to be crucified, he would go. total integrity, since there was no ego there to complain about. He really is a fascinating character. And even more fascinating is that the majority religion, adopted by the society that became more orange of all, revolves around such a type. a true, total enlightened. Not because he had something, Jesus had nothing, neither intelligence, nor strength, nor sympathy, nor charisma, nor will, he was the most normal . he just lacked ego.

shame is comparative. it is always in relation to another person, or to an archetype. not accepting yourself as you are is because you think you should be different, and you think that because you look at others and they seem better than you. That whole line of processing is wrong, it leads you straight to being a small...i don't know. Small. you are reality, you are the only measure, you are the one who values what appears in your field of consciousness, not vice versa. You are not susceptible to evaluation, neither good nor bad, you are you and that's it. it is the other that will be valued to decide if it is suitable or not for you But, you , or at least me, must give the best of myself. It's not a matter of shame or self esteem, it's because I have to honor myself. It is my duty and not fulfilling it does not even arise. It's not out of shame, it's out of love.

sorry for being a pain in the ass, but the relative does not exist. it is an appearance, unreal, false. what you are living now is the absolute. There is nothing else.

The thing is that almost all humans are deformed. the difference is the level, if the level is low you can tolerate it and you spend your whole life trying to fit into the shoe, with more or less success. if the level is high, such as being around in your teens an alcoholic who drink gin for breakfast addicted suicidal hitler worshiper who has raised you to idolize him, you have to get out of that kind of joke anyway trying not to leave a trace of that influence in you because it is completely negative, then it is a kind of liberation, so at the end it's an advantage . If not, as a human, it's very difficult to detach yourself of the social influence

@Yimpa well maybe yes, you can be ashamed. for leaving aside integrity for social acceptance for example. but I would not say that this is shame, it is rather a feeling of guilt. Shame is always associated with others, even though in the end you internalize it. I think it's a defining characteristic of shame, it really comes from outside

justified or not is a circumstantial distinction. it depends on your environment. if you realize that you are reality, shame disappears. another thing is that you decide to hide something to avoid certain consequences, but within yourself you have no shame

Any shame is toxic to me. Shame is giving up your sovereignty to the group. Its the feeling that something is wrong with me and makes me unworthy of love. I was just saying that shame is a mechanism of social control. a negative mechanism. those of us who have decided to completely leave shame behind act by positive mechanisms. for real ethics, integrity by realizing that others are you. but this is not valid for everyone.

brilliant, as always. Shame is an inherent part of being human. it is the feeling of being unworthy of your community, which is what gives you survival. The community causes this not out of malice or stupidity, it's that it wants you to be a gear that contributes to survival, it doesn't matter if you're happy or not, you have to be functional. For those of us who have been educated in total madness, in true sick dysfunction, shame was really strong and the need to leave it behind leads to a real awakening to what reality is. a very strange process. In the end, we must thank those deformed beings absolutely lacking in love that we have had to have close by for giving us the necessary push

Ok that you didn't need, but 99,9% of people interested in spirituality, if they don't do, all they do is incorporate new age ideas and all those things into their mental baggage, calm their mind a little with meditation, and inflate their ego

For me it is a miraculous oasis that at least this exists. spirituality without psychedelics gets stuck, nothing is achieved imo, and this is the only place in history where this is discussed. It is true that it is going slowly, there is no general opening, it is drop by drop, but it is something. only the beginning of a trend, of the wish and the consecution of the real understanding of reality, or so I hope

@Adam M Those things are interesting, the problem I see is that all this is still very embryonic, since there are very few real mystics. really very few. I think that all this will develop, but now if you start to investigate about energies and all that, the most you will find is fake, things invented by people who are not really open to the spiritual. probably in the future things will develop

Maybe more people with a real desire of awakening, but how many of them are in the world? I would say that the few that exist end up converging here

Imagine how is in other forums...

I guess so. For me it's enough with breaking the illusion of finitude, since the finite feels uncomfortable. The infinity is much more beautiful

Well, anything is imaginary, what we are talking about, the stabbings, all the same. let's say that everything is an opera where the absolute imagines a choreography and then acts in it. Today we do the part in which I stab, tomorrow I put myself in the place of the stabbed, but not both at the same time, since if there is something outside of me, that something would be a limit, and limits do not exist in the infinity . The finite doesn't exist, it's just the infinity appearing to be finite

Exactly, so if god is that experience, that experience is infinite so absolute, and there is not outside.

god does not do any of that, god is direct experience, and there is nothing outside of it because it is existence. It is infinity, and it is this right now and there is nothing else, and it's you (I am you sending you a message from the past, I do not exist in your when ?)

No man, i am just an experience that is happening, existence flowing in constant change, I only do what I do at the moment, and that does not include knowing 17 languages

I didn't mean the ego, i mean the direct experience that you are. There is nothing outside, there is not outside, you are the absolute, that's the solipsism is I am now the father of Superman sending a message that will be received when I do not exist, or well, when I'm don't exist as this concrete experience

yes, but there is a difference. your ego is alive, that is, it is part of real existence, it is absolute infinity pretending to have limits, on the other hand, I, with whom you are talking, am not alive, it is like superman talking to his father's hologram. It seems that he is alive and acts as such, but he is not, he was. but currently it has no real existence, it is just an image from another time. and you to me are exactly the same. we are not two beings that exist sharing a conversation, only one exists

No, it is to realize the infinite depth of the direct experience . direct experience is existence. It seems limited but it is not. the ego is part of direct experience, like the others and anything else, since only direct experience exists, and outside of it there is nothing. You are not the person, obviously, you are the direct experience where appears a person that apparently is perceiving. there is always a direct experience, it is eternal, and that is what you are.

nobody's, is what you are, direct experience, or in other words, existence. It doesn't matter if it looks like a guy looking in the mirror or whatever, it's what it's being

What about the direct experience? Is it real?

No man, it's impossible, do you know why? because you will never, ever, in any way and by any miracle, be able to get out of your direct experience. Because if you did and lived my pov, then it would be your direct experience. I have experienced many times the breaking of limits, the infinity, so I know that I am that. me aka you, right now I am living my pov, and since I know that I am absolute, I know that my pov is the absolute, and you are only an image within my pov, and you, at any time, which is not this, Even if it is for you, you will be my direct experience and within it will be an image that will be what was written in a forum by breakinthewall. It seems that this is the same as saying that we have duplicated ourselves and are existing simultaneously, but it is not so. there is an essential difference. is that only you exist. You are talking to yourself, as if you were acting a movie and one day you play a character, another day another and then a scene editor puts them together to make it look like a conversation.

I have explained it before. I Know that I am the existence and there is nothing outside of my direct experience. I think that at another moment my direct experience will be to be someone here, then, nothing will exist outside of the direct experience of someone here, since it will continue to be my direct experience, which is existence and outside of it nothing exists, so for Through a clever trick, I'm talking to myself. I'm talking with an unreal image, and you are talking with an unreal image. Brilliant trick. This does not prevent you, that is, me, from being absolutely alone