Breakingthewall

true, but there is a nuance. There is no absolute/relative duality, right? The only thing relative is the appearance that occurs due to the activity of the conceptual mind. So, this moment, now, is the absolute. You can sit in meditation and stop the activity I mentioned above and realize that you are absolute. This is what we describe here as enlightenment, right? But once this is done, there is more. you, as a human, are a defined pattern of existence. This pattern has a very variable possible opening range. You can realize the absolute and have a narrow aperture range, or wider. The broader, the more perception of reality. not of relative reality, this does not exist! but from the unfathomable depth of absolute reality that you are The thing is not to get a conceptual definition, or knowing, it's to see deeper. Just look around you: magic. What is that? Just images? No, it's the absolute in movement, and we are that . How deep can you see? For anyone who discover the possibility to get a bit deeper, it's impossible to don't want to go a bit more. It's like scuba diving, beauty and magic to discover inside you, and you, the energetic pattern, get adapted little by little to more openess, more depth. Just for the beauty, but what is existence at the end?

That's when I was struggling with 5meo, now I did 5meo so many times that I stopped because even I vape 25 mg, it doesn't give anything to me, total dissolution is just total dissolution, a Monday afternoon. Sometimes I did 3 times in one day, because I felt that some structure was remaining, until nothing left. I feel quite comfortable with the dissolution. if now I'm going to do a big dose of 5 meo, my fear is just a little . So I'd say you are not very accurate in your deductions

We are who wants to open ourselves to the truth. The relative self needs to be fed by a constant mental flow that creates a conceptual model

Where you see conflict I see the attempt to tune concepts, to get deep in understanding, in making the other person to think and express their point. You see conflict because you feel attacked, and you react by defending yourself. You feel attacked because you have the need to maintain a status to yourself and when that status is threatened, you defend it. If none of that existed in you, you would see all of this for what it is: a mind game. But as it exists, all your reasoning is corrupted by that need. But you are too trapped in your need of self esteem for now, so it's useless to point you that, it just is going to provoke another reaction , but anyway I tell it to you because I like to put the truth in the surface

Because they are just concepts and we want to see directly. Concepts are mental handles that the self needs to constantly create a model of what reality is. This by definition is wrong, because reality is not the model. the model is always limited, the clarity is limitless

Before thinking about the subject, the human perspective would have to be completely eliminated. For you, as a human, being born into a sect of sadistic pricopathic pedophiles is something, let's say, negative. but take away everything personal. imagine that it is a flow of reality that leads to another different level. They are just movements, yin balancing the yang in the immensity of the cosmic dance.

Yeah, but do you see what already is in its unfathomable depth?

Suffering is the engine of evolution. No suffering means no evolution. We'll see, maybe he's deceived, maybe he's pointing to something real.

Exactly. That is the moment where the struggle to equalize the human ends and the possibility of true openness to what reality is begins.

It doesn't mean nothing to you, but means everything to me. When Hawkings says on his scale: love, joy, bliss, etc., for me it is focused on a dimension of, let's say, sensations. For me it lacks the dimension of depth, of openness. because it is a dimension that I perceive clearly, the one that I perceive the most. for him enlightenment is to see love, glory, etc. For me it is that the cosmos opens and reveals itself as a living being, like a plant that develops. It is unlimited vision. Hawkins doesn't talk about this on his scale, so for me he lacks that dimension. Seems that it's the level 400, reason, but it's something different, reason is conceptual thinking. When he says understanding he means that kind of understanding, or that's that I see in his scheme. So maybe if he's here, he could give an opinion, and maybe id see that I was wrong

Sure, and I am sure that something real is coming, but going into more details, in depth, in this forum, could be a help to clarify ideas, we have to admit that this is a liquid matter, not categorical, we are entering totally unknown territory. The problem here is that it always comes to a fight

yes, just stopping wanting for a moment. lets reality develop without resistance, and it opens like a murky lake that suddenly becomes completely transparent. but as soon as you move it with your desires, it becomes cloudy again

Cool, but to say: enlightenment is imaginary. Without developing that in depth, what does it points?

That's what it seems to you, because I point out things I don't agree with, because your mind reflects my mind. you understand? When I debate with you I see the structures of your mind and those of my mind, I try to penetrate minds and see where the obstacle is that they cannot overcome, this way I see more clearly where the obstacles are that I cannot overcome. I also want to see the strengths of other minds, so it is useful to put them in a dilemma.

@Peo psychedelic path is precisely, a path. It's not that one day you take a huge dose and your life changes, at least I see that as totally wrong. you have to let the psychedelics slowly work their way into you. Low doses are much better at first, then you naturally increase them.

Hate is useful, same than a bad smell. It prevents you to eat shit

All that content is a guy who is going to parachute in but who talks endlessly about it and never jumps. It is fine as an introduction, inspiration, mental openness to new possibilities, but the less time you spend in that reading phase, the better.

Yeah, but if you turn in in your natural state, It will also happen that if you take a psychedelic on this already open base state, your openness will increase even more. More and more until reaching the level of a drooling mystic who is not human. How far do you want/do you dare to go?

Yeah, just giving your opinion on a fascinating topic. The guy was a pioneer, but I think that his descriptions lacks a dimension, but who knows, there are no certainties in this

I meant, reality with its eternal cycles of creation and destruction is god. Everything that happens in those cycles is absolute free will, but can God be anything other than reality creating itself eternally? or is a slave to it's nature?

I don't think that list is accurate, I think something is missing, it lacks the depth of understanding, the mind of God

Yeah, seems that the reality is absolute intelligence, absolute will, so the reality is god. But can God choose to be something else?

That's what I'd say it's close to enlightenment. Here we use enlightenment too easily

6 years ago, a life ago. Where will our minds be in 6 years?

There is something in what Leo says that is difficult to grasp, but that little by little is making its way into my mind, not just because he says it, but because of the process I'm in. Understanding. Understanding is not something conceptual, it is your ability to open yourself to reality. It is something that increases every day if you are focused on it. You can take 1kg of 5meo and if your being has a limitation, you will not go beyond that. The issue of psychedelics is very interesting in this regard. Even though I take very high doses of nndmt, I don't have hallucinations, none. The effect is exactly the same as 5meo, without any difference. This is because the energetic pattern that i am is changing, adapting to the possibility of greater openness. It is constant work, millimeter by millimeter. The empty enlightenment that is spoken of imo is completely real, but there is another direction, that of content. not verbal content, obviously, but the content that is in you: the entire cosmos unfolding. Your capacity for openness is increasing and with it your capacity for realization. This is what Leo is talking about, I believe, although it is very difficult to understand him because this is something very subtle and very difficult to grasp.