Breakingthewall

Agree with that. It is possible to let suffering slide over you, it is like a game, suffering locks you in and you must find a way to get out. It only leaves you one option: freedom Possible, but not easy I found adyshanti very shallow, and when reading, I noticed a certain smell of scam, kinda trying to create a sensation of mystery, creating an enlightened archetype, and his speech is lacking in life, flat. But you never know.

I call suffering what I would experience, for example, if I was locked in a 2x1 m room at 35 degrees in the dark for 5 years. Life has enormous push. This thrust has two motors, one positive and one negative. The positive is the will of being. the negative is to escape from suffering. Suffering is real and very powerful.

Yes, with the difference that the only one who can eradicate the terror from his mind is the individual. then all that toxic ideology is deactivated.

So what do you do when barbarians invade your village and enslave your children in a brothel according willber? Get free your emotions, do an oath, dedicate your life to revenge, you torture them one by one and all that? In the end there is no difference, you cannot escape your humanity, you can park it at certain times if circumstances allow it. The thing is, you cannot avoid suffering in certain circumstances since that is your nature. The Buddhist idea is: renounce your humanity, your nature, and there will be the end of suffering. This is probably true, but I can't help but see avoidance, fear, in it.

??? Great Suffering is part of life, the end of suffering is a utopia perhaps achievable by avatars who have completely transcended their humanity and are sitting drooling without caring about eating or starving. Would you like to get to that? For me, a normal amount of suffering is acceptable, even desirable. What's wrong with suffering sometimes? What is bad is suffering absolutely all the time, like many humans today, with anxiety always active in the background. No other living being lives like this, they suffer in specific moments, when they are hungry or in pain, not 24/7 even dreaming of suffering trapped in the nightmare of the ego.

You could do activities that come close to the suffering of torture, an intense boxing match has nuances, running 120 km in the desert, sailing alone bordering Antarctica. You can do those things, really. You have to start little by little, and increase the load. until you can endure real levels of suffering. everyone should have some exposure to real suffering, to be able to handle it

This seems very difficult for now, but who knows. So far no awakening movement has done anything, but perhaps if the systematic use of psychedelics for this purpose becomes popular, this will change. People are looking for new horizons, 20 years ago traveling to remote parts of the world was the super adventure, now it is...meh, yes, the typical thing that boring college students with some money do. Maybe in 10 years taking 300 ug of LSD and then vaping 5 meo 3 times in a row after having been at a meditation retreat for a week will be something common, and a lot of people will be seeking real awakening.

Suffering has a function, it is the most powerful engine for evolution. Without suffering there is stagnation. Life wants to evolve, increase in complexity, in consciousness, and for this it invents suffering, a perfect tool. Every living being suffers, and suffering pushes it to seek a solution, then evolve. The collective human mind is a living being in evolution, and suffers a lot in many fields, and therefore evolves at great speed. It seems that it is in a phase of extreme evolution and therefore his suffering is enormous. Seems certain that the suffering of the Paleolithic collective mind would be several orders of magnitude less. Probably when this evolution reaches a plateau phase, the suffering will decrease, and being spiritually awake will be normal for humans.

@BlackPhil Your way of approaching spirituality has worked very well for more than 2000 years, Christians and Muslims have exploited it thoroughly. It is about promoting terror as a form of domination, to subjugate humans. Today there are billions of people terrorized by abusers of your kind, who hate freedom. It is a serious disease that should be eradicated.

So God has created us with that nature so that we can be punished with hell, except for the very slim possibilities of knowing Jesus. This god causes quite a lot of fear, he looks like a demon

I would say that the confusion with this issue is qualitative. People say: awakening is realizing that you are God and you are creating reality. Well, that may be so. It could also be that you are a lawyer and have a trial tomorrow, these are things that happen. But realizing what you are is not realizing what you do, who you are, it is opening yourself to what you really are, it is something more from the heart than from the mind. It is like you have forgotten what you are because thousands of characteristics cloud it, for example the fact of being God and creating reality, but if you remove all that structure, what you really are remains. what anything is, since the unlimited infinite has a quality that is indefinable, it can only be and in the fact of being it is all possible understanding, which is the understanding that you are unlimited, everything else is derived understandings of this essential understanding

If you do that, then it is falsehood, but the point is not to do it, but to have a real openness now completely free of conceptualization. There comes a time when even if there is no opening there is also no conceptualization, since you have seen so many times that reality is not conceptual that you stop that activity completely.

When we talk about the end of suffering, we are referring to the end of psychological resistance to what is. It is perfectly possible, there have been many cases of cancer patients who are in peace, who accept their situation fully. confusing pain with suffering seems like a joke at the point in what it's supposed we are, it's obvious that they are different. btw, I always thought that adyasahanti was a fraud, like 99% of spiritual teachers, they are people with advanced notions of spirituality who struggle to get money

I am alive, being alive is pushing. I need many things, money, maintain my body, a house, etc. If you stop, you are dead. I can stop some hours a day and I try to stop my mind by meditation, but deeply, you are always in motion, being alive means that. You could go to a monastery, an ashram and stop pushing, abandon the world, the control, some people do, but I like to be on control, to push, and i also think that others feeding you is fake. you have to contribute . being able to make that attitude compatible with spirituality is possible but not easy. Inspiration

don't you differentiate between being awake now and remembering awakenings? Is awakening something actual for you or the accumulation of all the awakenings you have had so far?

Yes, I agree, but anyway you will always push in one direction. If you stop pushing, you're lost, or so it seems. You have to work in all fields as inspired and aligned as possible, but you have to work in one direction, always. life is movement. It is very likely that if you are able to stop completely, not wanting anything, you will reach much greater levels of clarity and depth, but it is not time for that yet. We still have to be connected, on the move. The challenge is to achieve the greatest clarity and depth while in motion.

The best It is what your intelligence tells you is best. No one can do it for you, only you can choose, and only your intuition can tell you the direction to take. Nothing is guaranteed, in the rat maze many paths have no exit. They lead to sadness, loneliness, depression, being trapped. human life is a hard game because mistakes usually are not paid for with death but with madness

Simply being realistic and looking for the best option

I understand what you say but realistically, there are things that I don't want to give up and that I am going to fight for. I prefer to have money than not to have it, I prefer to have intelligent and profound people around me than stupid evil people, I prefer health to illness, etc. I know that if you give up all bias, opening is easier, but I think that without having to do so, opening is also possible.

That's right, light is the devil because it shows the illusion. darkness is god because it erases all difference Anyway, the devil is beautiful

Yes, I prefer spend the day on a tropical island than be tortured by the Holy Inquisition and then burned alive. I have never said that I want to not have preferences, but by maintaining marked preferences to be able to be open to the now. Just because the other option is insanity

I think we have to manage to stay at that point full time. It is about replacing our psychological construction with real openness. go from a dead robotic mind to a living mind. A single realization is good, but what do you want? Stay in the psychological mind? In the conceptual? That's a shit. I wouldn't say play, but get deeper in the richness of the now. Well, you could call it play if you want. Reality is like a lake of infinite depth. enlightenment is realizing that you are an infinite lake. To be in the conceptual mind is to skate on the flat surface, a linear dimension. Once you realize the infinite, the surface breaks, the conceptual becomes irrelevant and you are no longer trapped there, and you can begin to truly see what the now is. It is one thing to realize that you are infinite and another thing is the depth with which you can perceive the now. Those who say: I am enlightened, there is nothing else, they are blind. Being enlightened is normal, it is realizing what you are, once you are there, you live. To say: I'm enlightened, so I ve no more desire, is false.

Yes the depth has not end, but you can realize that what you are is absolute depth, so you don't need to dig In the depth. You realize that infinite depth is infinite everything, and that's it, that is the absolute, what you are. By the way, people who say: enlightenment is realizing that you are God creating the universe... well, there are several things here, on the one hand God, then the action of creating, and the result, the cosmos. All this is not total absolute infinity, it is the manifestation of the fact of the absence of limits, but in total awakening there is no god, no cosmos or creation, there is total undifferentiated infinity, the absolute. You could say that the inevitable consequence of the absolute is God, it is, let's say, posterior, so no absolute. The absolute is immutable, and god is change. these are my realizations, they may be inaccurate, except the realization of absolute infinity which is unequivocal

Sorry I can't remove the quote. Anyway, Those who say: I am enlightened, do they mean that they have had specific experiences of the absolute, or that they are installed there full time? because I have had some total openings, some more or less long, but for example right now I am trapped in my mind. It depends on the moment, if you are meditating, if you take some substance, the mind becomes lighter. but then it comes back. For me enlightenment is only now. Remembering an experience from yesterday is not enlightenment. You were enlightened yesterday, but today you are not

No, this is another conceptual thing. It is quite obvious, the nature of your human mind closes reality, makes it completely opaque, hidden behind a curtain of vibrations of desire, fear, attachment, past, future, concepts and definitions. You can say that this is also enlightenment but it doesn't seem like it, but what's the point of this? If it doesn't seem like it, it isn't to you. One question, have you completely stopped the mental flow and opened yourself completely to the now? can you do it easily? Realizing now what you are is enlightenment. having an opaque mind is not. knowing that only you exist and that is not enlightenment, enlightenment is not knowing, it is dropping the mind and being completely open to what is.