Breakingthewall

Maybe, but Leo could explain why enlightenment is an illusion. Waterriver's perspective is: if you realize the absolute that you are, you are enlightened. for millennia blablabla. leo says: enlightenment is an illusion. but it doesn't explain it, it's quite frustrating. Then he says: if you don't accept what I teach, I'm going to ban you. ok, accept what? that enlightenment is an illusion? Why? It is a somewhat complicated dialogue because it seems that Leo does not fully define himself. So what he expects?

I don't understand it, hallucination implies that there is something that is not a hallucination. Different levels of reality.

Probably you were in the church praying for the heaven. But the two of them are in the same business, just with different nuances. This is not dogma, no one knows. everything remains to be seen

interesting relative ideas. The question is: are you aware right now that you are the total reality creating itself? If you are, great joy will flow from you continuously. is the case?

Yes, if you are trapped in the relative mind Really you can't see it?

Mistake. He is the perfect mirror in which to contrast your vision. Is it strong enough, is it the truth that pushes it, or is it fragile because it is false? If it's truth in what you are communicating, being contrasted strengthens you

@Bazooka Jesus If you free your mind from the trap it is in, you will perceive the now for what it is. Your mind will cease to be a flat screen on which relative content appears and will be a bottomless hole from which reality springs. the difference is total

So , does your cat, when sitting on the couch, have negative ideas? I would say not. Negativity is part of the programming that makes you a slave, but if you don't want to see it, and you prefer your shortcuts, it is your choice, but in the end reality hits you in the face again and again

Yeah yeah, sure, you are free . Now try to be happy 2 hours without negativity.

It's true, if I have I don't believe them, so it's like I haven't.

No, I become free realizing my slavery, understanding it and detaching myself from it

Just your freedom. But if you refuse to see your slavery, your choice

Super. Then, sit and stop your mind for 10 minutes.

Genghis Kahn was doing great. He was always on the crest of the wave, and if you looked at him wrong he would massacre an entire city including dogs, without leaving anyone alive. Before he raped all the women, of course

I have no paradigms

This is all a subtle issue. To have a more precise vision, it is best to develop what is stated sincerely, with the intention of transmitting your vision.

I don't understand when you say that. In any case it would be a limited opening to what reality is, an awareness of a certain dimension of reality. but illusion implies deception. How do you know that people who say they are enlightened are deceived?

I don't know what means complete, What I know is that the work is to get out of the conceptual mind to place yourself in the mind of reality. You, now, are reality creating the universe, it is not the typical phrase that is said, it is the obvious reality, but you are not aware of that because you are operating on another plane. The point is to figure out how to elevate yourself to the real plane, how to be as aware as possible of what you are. It's an issue about openess

Not a bad thing, but irrelevant. What is all that evolution since the Paleolithic that you talk about compared to the power to create reality? You think you've come a long way since you were 3 years old. your ego has done it. You, as an existence, function at another level, this is the level where we try to be, and for that we have to put in the background the level of the ego, of the human in relation to his environment.

You already know what happens if you try to spend 10 minutes without forming a structured thought, right? that you cannot prevent them from arising. Why? I suppose you also know this: because the mind is constantly creating a subject that perceives and analyzes reality to manipulate it, and that perceives its peers and creates itself in relation to them. Do you understand in depth what this means, what is it? It is a trap, a mental loop that turns you into a worker ant of human evolution, a processor that lends its power to the collective mind. All this I have said seems like unnecessary nonsense to you, right? Better to simplify. ok, simplify and spend only 10 minutes without forming conceptual thoughts. If you can, but you can't, you are a programmed slave. If you want to get out of your programming, you must understand

Evolution means detach yourself of the mind that Knows, in my opinion. Think that when you were 3 years old you had already created a human brain from nothing. Do you want to evolve more than that? rather remember. and to do this, remove the veil of the human conceptual mind, and reconnect with you, with whoever is maintaining this structure of existence right now. If you fully recognize your true nature , you are omniscient.

All the words are twisted. Ultimately all they are all lies, by definition. They are a communication tool that works at a limited level in our mind, creating images and structures useful to modify the world but incompetent to understand reality. You cannot understand the reality that you are using basic software that is within the reality that you are, it is materially impossible. you can only open yourself to yourself and be. Language and the conceptual mind are like a dog trying to understand quantum physics. You can't use the limited to understand the unlimited. If it's useful to help you to open yourself to the now, good, but believing anything is a mistake. Every idea is wrong, by definition, because are limited.

The true Christian mystics had an opening of the heart towards God that is real. Not their understanding, but they don't want that, they want surrender, surrender, enlightenment in the sense of openness, total happiness of existing, flow of love without barriers. This is not nonsense, it is closer to real enlightenment than understanding

If it works, wonderful. Many millions of people throughout history have found real peace and happiness thanks to Jesus. many people have gone to death with a smile thanks to this. It is not a joke or stupidity, it is a way of opening the heart to the total infinity that reality is, through an archetype of enormous real power. The result is the real opening, the prodigal son who returns after wandering for years in the desert of loneliness and sadness, and the empty glass that is filled forever.

because reality is ruthless. We are soldiers of evolution, engaged in an intentionally difficult game. in which you have irresistible impulses that are going to be thwarted, such as the impulse to survive. powerful attachments that will be broken, such as the attachment to your body or your mother. everything will be tested, beaten in the forge, balanced, in order to take the next step and continue creating.