Breakingthewall

I have done it several times but vaped, that it is very brief but the thing is not that you see that you are the source or god or anything but that the finiteness is completely broken and infinity is. there are no dimensions, there is everything, unlimited. it is impersonal and at the same time it is you. It is the reality from which you have removed the human suit that you wear. It is the perfection and the total glory of the infinite, it's what you are looking for, and that is what we are. It's still not something I can do at will. many times I do 5meo and it is interesting and I have insights, like to see the pattern of existence that is this experience, how it is created, but it is not the absolute total infinity. Only sometimes it happened, and it's like The Revelation. my goal is to be able to access that at will. The reason? In one side I don't want to be in the situation, let's say like a blind puppet, I want to open the code. see. And another reason more important: there is the real beauty. I tasted the real beauty when I was a kid and I remember very well .de real depth of existence. And little by little I m tasting it every days after many years disconnected and sad. If you have had that experience with LSD in which the void surrounded you and God in his solitude created this reality to forget his horrible situation, I think that the best thing you can do is 5meo until you completely break all the barriers, because stay at halfway is imbalance and depression

Traditionally, especially in the East, there have always been people who sought mystical states. Buddhism is an example. If Buddha had access to psychedelics, wouldn't he have used them? I would say that if the ancients were willing to go to a forest or a cave alone and without food for as long as it took, to sleep on a bed of nails, to fast for 20 days, they were willing to do anything. Today it is a tiny minority that even contemplates the possibility that mystical realizations are a possibility. 99% of people interested in psychedelics, which is increasing, seek to heal trauma, improve their lives. Let's see in actualized.org. Everyone here believes that mysticism is real, they understand Leo's ideas, they know that reality is endless depth. how many do 5meo in high dose? the 2%? Imagine the general population. but I think this is going to change. on the planet there are people with a true inclination to open up completely to the truth, and these people are going to discover what the way is, and the way needs psychedelics. or a crazy discipline and a crazy perseverance, that for them to occur simultaneously with the mystical inclination in the same person (see sellinwaterintheriver for example) all the planets have to align. now that is not necessary. just to want it is enough.

Yeah but this dialogue is infinite, and within it there are infinite multiverse, within them etc. Everything is . The depth of everything is total, if not, nothing could exist. All that you use to think and say is limited, you just should break the limitation and realize the infinity.

No man, because in infinite eternity there will be infinite moments in which you will be a real breakingthewall chatting with an imaginary holykael, and this is one of them. then you will be a real holykael chatting with an imaginary breakingthewall, then, the conclusion is that the imaginary is real, since in infinity everything is, everything that appears is infinite, so I am just as real as you. or more, since I don't complain so much ?

You are wrong ,because if the other people are the product of your imagination, they are also infinite, since you are infinite and your imagination is infinite, so those imaginary people are part of you, and part of the infinite is the total infinite, so those people are you and they have infinity inside, and everything that those people are imagining is in turn infinite, imagining infinite infinities. If you feel alone in the infinite, it is because you do not even remotely understand what infinity is.

@bensenbiz i think it's better to start vaping because it's very fast and the effect is short, so you can test what the substance does in you, and increase the dose little by little. I never found a drug with less feeling of toxicity. You can do a big dose now and in a couple of hours go to the gym, meet some friends, go to work, anything. Physically I mean, mentally it depends.

If 5meo didn't exist, I would never have been able to bring to the surface all the subconscious crap I had accumulated. 5meo is a great teacher, you perceive that he is going to dissolve you completely, that your psyche is going to be erased, but there are resistances, so you can see with total clarity what they are and delve into them. at first when i was doing 5meo the realization was an endless hole of utter horror. it was something indescribable. I did it over and over again until once I realized that the horror was my father, and I became my father, with all his addictions and his lies, for 5 minutes. Since then I haven't thought about it anymore, it dissapeared. So many other things, until there is nothing left. now I do and there is zero trauma. I think I will vape it in high doses about 5/8 times more. I almost got it, for example last week I did it and it was easy, but 16 mg vaped. I have to start with 20mg in one shot, and when that's easy, go longer roa, snorted. 5meo is a spiritual process in which if you know how to read yourself, you will progress at great speed. you have to be determined and not procrastinate. The first time I had a real realization of the infinite was after a horrible experience of absolute emptiness, infinite death. After 5 minutes I did it again, vaping an amount greater than 20 mg, perhaps 25, which added to the effect of the previous one (I do not notice any tolerance). reality exploded and infinity manifested itself. ha! let spirituality teachers say what they want. That is, and there is not the slightest doubt. You never going to forget that. The prodigal son was lost, wandering in the desert, and just now, in this exact moment, he's returned.

you have to leave the software behind and open up to reality. Forget any idea, as if the others are real or not, it doesn't matter. reality is, and within you is the totality of existence. Thinking about this on a mental level is useless, everything mental is limitation and reality is unlimited. there is only one way: the total desire to open yourself to reality at any cost. This desire is not out of selfishness but out of love, that's why is why very few do it. look for the particles of truth that are in you, in your childhood. Maybe you think that there is nothing, but it is not true, you have forgotten. above all, forget the ideas, all of them. the mind must be empty of content, only one intention: open yourself to the truth, to yourself. nothing else matters.

because if the infinite is the case (and it is for obvious reasons) the finite is not real, it does not exist, everything is infinite. infinity is unlimited ok? So, if you divide the unlimited into two parts, what is left? two unlimited (apparents) parts. if they are unlimited, they are equal, then they are the same and the division was not real, since if they are unlimited they cannot be separated, because neither can they be limited, because there was never a limit. if infinity is the case, a proton is infinite ,because it's just an idea of the infinity, and within it is infinity, with infinitely many protons within which is infinity. It's everything.. can you split that? Apparently yes, but only apparently, a dividing line within an ocean of infinity that means nothing, only appearance.

this is the result of conceptualizing spirituality. spirituality is getting out of the prison of the mind and opening up to reality, not filling the mind with new concepts. no concept is valid, not a single one. only direct experience right now is valid. spirituality is a change in the angle of perception, not knowing things. knowing is in the mental, learned, canned food, its value is zero.

everything you say is duality and temporality and is lack of understanding. nothing is predetermined because there is no pre. only exists now. god is not handling you like an avatar because that god does not exist, it is you, now, the creator of reality. you are the reality . nothing exists outside of you. nothing exists before you. your power is absolute. all this is your will. but you don't realize it. If you direct your will and your energy in one direction, reality accommodates your will. you modify reality in each micro thought, in each gesture, in each attitude. forget the stories of gods to which you are subjected. they do not exist. The reality is being created right now. Open yourself to it, and use your power.

@Holykael everything you say is nonsense. reality is not conceptual, it is direct, now. immerse yourself in it and stop thinking nonsense

Yes, I understand your point, but it's very easy to get lost in mental images. If you say that God is a human, all our definitions of human are going to come and the will be contrasted with everything else , with you in the center. That is why we go around and around the matter, to break the false appearance, but behind it there is another false appearance, and so on. it is a matter of understanding how the mind creates the illusion of the self in order to get out of the cage.

There is nothing behind, everything is here, only that the trees cover the forest, and yes, you are all of it, but a you that is not a you, is the unlimited reality that in its apparent limitation produces a you, so the same as the trees, the you doesn't let you see yourself.

when people say : god is dreaming reality. It seems that God is sitting there, doing one thing, dreaming, and as a result of that action we have: reality! subject, action and result. maybe a bit simplistic? anthropomorphized? god is reality. reality without manifesting itself as a defined pattern is still totally real, it is the total absolute infinity, it is the unlimited, and there is nothing boring, bad, intimidating about it. what happens is that reality likes to express itself in more and more complex patterns simply because it can and because it likes to. because its is dancing with itself a dance of infinite joy. this, now, is infinity. this, now, is all. There is no god behind, you are here, dancing an eternal dance. Or better: an eternal dance is happening, and you are here because that

Hey don't get so angry ???. You miss a point. survival is a game created for evolution. survival does not need evolution. bacteria have not evolved and survive better than you. evolution has the goal of increasing in complexity and conciousness, that's why the game of survival is created. is this too hard to understand? ok, I understand, but don't get angry and start your hysterical behavior, control yourself.

Your ego is not only about your survival. It's also about survival and the evolution of humanity as a whole. If it was just survival instinct like a rat, it would be very simple. but it is extremely complex because we do not function as individuals, we do so as part of a collective. language creates a matrix that acquires a life of its own and evolves. what would you be without language? without having learned to speak or read? an animal, you can't even imagine. something very far from what you are because the contact with the collective matrix absorbs you and teaches you to process in a certain way. all this learning is backed by a system of emotional reward and punishment created in hundreds of thousands of years of evolution. the ego is the product of the collective matrix that you replicate in your individual mind, and that is not about survival but about acceptance and rejection, which at a subconscious level are translated as life and death but are not really. you can free yourself from the ego, it's just a software that forces you to follow the human evolutionary rhythm. You can also give it its place, act partly according to its dictates, but knowing what it is and accepting it. if you don't understand it, you are a puppet

You are the infinite adopting a defined pattern of existence that we call human life in which there are a series of rules, such as the existence of psychedelics and the fact that if you are leo gura and take a lot you end up with something you call: alien consciousness, but all that is within the human pattern

there was no void, there is an absence of limits, now. because there is only now, there is no past, since there is no beginning, nor a process. now there are no limits, then, infinity is. thinking about this is extremely strange.... then, this infinity was created because....no. the infinite is, now, and that is existence. There never was anything else because there is no "there was". now the infinite is. and since it is infinite, it is everything. its quality is positive, as it is. as it is, it is love, bacause be=love. it is a bottomless well of love that loves itself, perfect happiness, without a stain. limitless intelligence. Brilliant glory without the slightest tint to dull it. you are infinite mysterious, deep and total. nothing can be better because, given your infinitude, you are absolutely perfect.

You are human, so your alien consciousness is human. Maybe you could call it maximum psychedelic awakening, because there are no aliens here at the moment

Sounds like a good adventure. Let's do the work here as deep as possible and let's see what's next. Anyway, there is no next, just illusion of happening. Infinite depth appearing as beautiful constructions.

Yes, but as I said above, this is not the end, is just the beggining. Well, now you have dissolved the separated self and you don't live in the nightmare of the ego, you really identify with reality. No center, openess, you can be in total silence, bliss, etc. but this is still limited because you can't perceive what you really are. by doing 5meo you can reach a seemingly infinite state that is still limited. For the total opening to occur, you have to insist, the void is the last frontier. when the absolute total infinity manifests in you, it is the total openness. everything, infinity . the infinite source flowing, and you recognize yourself as existence, but also existence manifests itself in its divine character, the flow of love that flows for the fact that it's not bottom, with the force of a jet stream. And infinite explosion that happens infinitely and it's manifestation is this reality that we are experiencing. and this in my opinion is just scratching the surface, just a glimpse of what it is possible to realize, to be.

@Water by the River ok, then full enlightenment is the complete dissolution of individuality and identification with absolute reality without limit. and according to you that eliminates suffering. Ok, agree (with suffering let's say, minimize it). let's see, you give great importance to thought, and you focus the process of enlightenment on mastering and understanding the source of thought. Maybe it's necessary without psychedelics. the source of thought is obvious: reality, like everything else. it is not necessary to stop the thought but to see through it, understanding what the thought is, and paying no attention to it. dissolve individuality completely and identify with infinity, ok, let's call it enlightenment. It is not the end of the matter, it is the beginning. Before to this point you are insane and your life is a nightmare. after this point, freedom begins, you flow and understand. but the reality of what you are is unlimited, as you will perceive if you have really transcended the limits, then you will see the need to explore, to go deeper. Do you understand the pattern of existence that it means to be a human? the layers of code that make up this experience, what are they? everything opens, unfolds, and psychedelics are the key. psychedelics are a key into the code that this experience is. They are nothing foreign to you, they are you. and you don't use them? impossible. Limited. But of course, anyone have their preferences, and no one is the good one

What is full enlightenment? Could you describe?

Permanent damage? For example?