Breakingthewall

Suffering is the engine of evolution. No suffering means no evolution. We'll see, maybe he's deceived, maybe he's pointing to something real.

Exactly. That is the moment where the struggle to equalize the human ends and the possibility of true openness to what reality is begins.

It doesn't mean nothing to you, but means everything to me. When Hawkings says on his scale: love, joy, bliss, etc., for me it is focused on a dimension of, let's say, sensations. For me it lacks the dimension of depth, of openness. because it is a dimension that I perceive clearly, the one that I perceive the most. for him enlightenment is to see love, glory, etc. For me it is that the cosmos opens and reveals itself as a living being, like a plant that develops. It is unlimited vision. Hawkins doesn't talk about this on his scale, so for me he lacks that dimension. Seems that it's the level 400, reason, but it's something different, reason is conceptual thinking. When he says understanding he means that kind of understanding, or that's that I see in his scheme. So maybe if he's here, he could give an opinion, and maybe id see that I was wrong

Sure, and I am sure that something real is coming, but going into more details, in depth, in this forum, could be a help to clarify ideas, we have to admit that this is a liquid matter, not categorical, we are entering totally unknown territory. The problem here is that it always comes to a fight

yes, just stopping wanting for a moment. lets reality develop without resistance, and it opens like a murky lake that suddenly becomes completely transparent. but as soon as you move it with your desires, it becomes cloudy again

Cool, but to say: enlightenment is imaginary. Without developing that in depth, what does it points?

That's what it seems to you, because I point out things I don't agree with, because your mind reflects my mind. you understand? When I debate with you I see the structures of your mind and those of my mind, I try to penetrate minds and see where the obstacle is that they cannot overcome, this way I see more clearly where the obstacles are that I cannot overcome. I also want to see the strengths of other minds, so it is useful to put them in a dilemma.

@Peo psychedelic path is precisely, a path. It's not that one day you take a huge dose and your life changes, at least I see that as totally wrong. you have to let the psychedelics slowly work their way into you. Low doses are much better at first, then you naturally increase them.

Hate is useful, same than a bad smell. It prevents you to eat shit

All that content is a guy who is going to parachute in but who talks endlessly about it and never jumps. It is fine as an introduction, inspiration, mental openness to new possibilities, but the less time you spend in that reading phase, the better.

Yeah, but if you turn in in your natural state, It will also happen that if you take a psychedelic on this already open base state, your openness will increase even more. More and more until reaching the level of a drooling mystic who is not human. How far do you want/do you dare to go?

Yeah, just giving your opinion on a fascinating topic. The guy was a pioneer, but I think that his descriptions lacks a dimension, but who knows, there are no certainties in this

I meant, reality with its eternal cycles of creation and destruction is god. Everything that happens in those cycles is absolute free will, but can God be anything other than reality creating itself eternally? or is a slave to it's nature?

I don't think that list is accurate, I think something is missing, it lacks the depth of understanding, the mind of God

Yeah, seems that the reality is absolute intelligence, absolute will, so the reality is god. But can God choose to be something else?

That's what I'd say it's close to enlightenment. Here we use enlightenment too easily

6 years ago, a life ago. Where will our minds be in 6 years?

There is something in what Leo says that is difficult to grasp, but that little by little is making its way into my mind, not just because he says it, but because of the process I'm in. Understanding. Understanding is not something conceptual, it is your ability to open yourself to reality. It is something that increases every day if you are focused on it. You can take 1kg of 5meo and if your being has a limitation, you will not go beyond that. The issue of psychedelics is very interesting in this regard. Even though I take very high doses of nndmt, I don't have hallucinations, none. The effect is exactly the same as 5meo, without any difference. This is because the energetic pattern that i am is changing, adapting to the possibility of greater openness. It is constant work, millimeter by millimeter. The empty enlightenment that is spoken of imo is completely real, but there is another direction, that of content. not verbal content, obviously, but the content that is in you: the entire cosmos unfolding. Your capacity for openness is increasing and with it your capacity for realization. This is what Leo is talking about, I believe, although it is very difficult to understand him because this is something very subtle and very difficult to grasp.

I can simply be now without a mental filter. Reality now unfolds, gains depth and I am fully aware that the limitless is now, there is nothing to interpret. Within me there is depth and fluid movement (this is not always, but I am focused on making it as much as possible), even so, there is a limit. Every day I strive to penetrate reality more, to open myself up. Obviously it is not something conceptual or mental, as soon as you define, you are out. It is a constant attitude, which leads me to do a lot of psychedelics, maybe twice a week. an intention of constant openness. The result is greater beauty every day

Accepted. I am fully aware of my limitation in my penetration into myself, and every day I open my angle of perception a little more. If you have achieved more, great, since your experience will be extremely useful for those of us who have this fixation. but if you sound like an aggressive lunatic, your credibility completely plummets. We are in very complicated territory, and there are very few people truly interested in this. How about you focus on the constructive rather than the destructive?

Ok, but what happens if you have a complete dissolution, without any content. There is nothing left that could be an illusion or false, not Buddhism or anything, your mind opens like a plant (sorry for the poetic) and reality is infinite, undifferentiated, total, perfect, and you recognize yourself as what you are. It cannot be described or remembered because it is before any definition. Then there is another type of realization. the flow of existence, what could be called love, the infinite reflecting on itself and dancing (sorry again) and creating this moment. I am not going to say that I understand this in depth, but they are real realizations, free of learned mental content. The first gives you the substance, the quality of what you are, it stays with you. total freedom. The second is where the understanding of what you do, of the movement of the cosmos, begins. What is wrong or delusional here? Of course Im sure that I can go much more deeper into myself, but the base is real.

You did not understand what I said. Enlightenment is one thing, it is the revelation of the ultimate reality, the total undifferentiated infinity. There is no point to understand here. You are that, that's it. It is prior to all form, all manifestation. After this if you want you can explore the cosmos. You are the cosmos, everything is in you, and your depth is unfathomable, your intelligence unlimited.

Yes maybe, but for example, sellinwaterintheriver posted a Buddhist text then Leo said: yes, that guy got it, very good text. But after that, if he's asked about that text, silence. He is clearly predisposed to humiliate any realization of others. doesn't ask For example, you say that sellinwaterintheriver is a meditation rat, but how do you know what is in his mind? It is clear that he is not trying to delve deeper into it, he is not asking anything, he is just looking for mistakes. there always are, obviously Then he said that Ralston was awake, but not now, when he knows perfectly well what Ralston is saying. He says he was too charitable. Why? Why he likes him? What madness is that? Is this serious, or a joke? But the thing is that he says that Ralston is not awake because he said about love, bla BLA. It's difficult to interpret the words, Leo works by words. All concepts. Love, god, etc. You denied love? Heretic. What's love Leo? Maybe for Ralston has a different meaning, language is a tool, get free of language man. It shows limitation

Anyway, be careful to judge too fast Leo. The depth of his experiences probably is much more than it's showed here. The only problem is his weird behavior, aggressive, impossible to understand, but probably he's right in many things

That's true in some sense but false in another. The mind is like an infinite lake. The conceptual level is the surface, it is in 2D as you said. relative concept, linear temporality. If you break the surface, the bottomless depth is revealed, and a new way of understanding and perception begins. but the enlightenment that those you have mentioned speak of is something else, it is realizing the total absolute infinity, of what everything ultimately is. This is not understanding, it is revelation, there is nothing to understand here, you are, it is total, it is emptiness and it is complete fullnes. you let go of the mind, the need to understand, you let go of any need to know. that's all. Is the infinity undifferentiated, where there is nothing to understand, just let go the control and smile