Breakingthewall

Here everybody talk about god without having realized god. I think the position of @zurew is several orders of magnitude more advanced than being a believer. What requires courage is to let your mental schemes fall and be without grips or filters. But it's useless to say it, here people prefer their little golden cage, the same as everywhere else.

Exactly, and agree with everything that you said in your post. So the only way not to be completely stupid is to have no idea about reality. It's completely obvious. If there are no limits, and the ideas are limited, they are automatically all false. the true tao cannot be said, they know that from long ago...the obvious beginning of spirituality. But no, here in actualized we are much more smart that those old Stupids , right,?

You can't understand solipsism whatching a video. Solipsism is only real at an absolute level, and to realize it at an absolute level you must stop your relative mind. to think: the people I see walking down the street have no experience of their own (as it is said in the video) it is a relative thought, therefore it is mixing the absolute with the relative, which is dogma, religion, in short, stupidity

changing your current conceptual structure for another, the solipsism, is completely absurd. This work consists of freeing yourself from conceptual structures and seeing directly. It's very easy to understand. Any concept is toxic on a spiritual level. Its usefulness is at the survival level. and solipsism at the survival level has the same usefulness as psychosis

Seems obvious that the substance of the relative is the absolute, so at the end the relative is the absolute, but how it appears? Seems that everything is cyclical movement. The explanation: god is creating really by love, doesn't seems correct to me. Maybe would be like: the nature of reality are eternal cycles of creation and destruction of shapes in the absolute.

At the end, that's true, Let's say that when the needle is more towards the absolute side, suffering decreases and increases towards the relative. absolute total, zero suffering. Being able to place oneself at will in the total absolute is the art that you mention and to say that that is not enlightenment is ignorance. but then...what is relative seems to be. Should you ignore it? exists. what is it? What is its nature? by what is?

You're welcome. I would say that really, nothing is relative, everything is absolute. a dog is absolute. If a dog chases a cat, there is that absolute situation. Neither the dog nor the cat divides the situation into parts, it is a whole happening, or maybe they do, because they have a basic relative mind, but in a very rudimentary level. A human sees it and it really is the absolute appearing as that situation, but the relative mind is going to parcel out and define the entire situation, a state-of-the-art evolutionary function that gives the human enormous power, but creates relativity and gets lost in it. , with which your experience loses vitality, purity, and experience becomes something filtered, dull, dead. More relative mind, more dead. When you were a kid and the relative mind was smaller, the experience was alive ,pure, direct. As you are getting older and the relative mind grows in power, the experience is more filtered. The total life and purity is zero relative mind: the total absolute infinity. if you think about it now, you will think: what nonsense, there is really a cat and a dog chasing each other. That has been defined by the relative mind, which has classified cat, dog and chase. and it can't get out of there, it will start searching his memory files, creating images, thinking about theories, etc. really that situation is absolute and infinite. It is now in its constant movement that it really is not movement because it is not going anywhere. If you take away the relative mind completely, the chase of the dog and the cat is the immutable absolute total infinity. So the relative mind is creating the experience. Without relative mind , there is not experience, just immutability. Total life now. How the absolute divides itself and creates the relative? Why? I don't know. But the thing is: the relative is not real, it's just a painting in the absolute infinity.

I think it can't because the relative mind is a learned function that works by putting things in opposition to other things. Any concept is limited by its opposite. The absolute is unlimited, so the relative mind cannot grasp it, define it. The relative mind collapses when imagining infinity, because it needs to set a limit to be able to imagine it. You have to turn off the relative mind to realize the infinite, the depth that you are. with the relative mind operating, you see yourself as relative.

Stupidity is the attitude of using the relative mind to try to understand the absolute. The relative mind is a configuration of the total mind to function by opposing concepts. It is an incredible survival tool, an evolutionary leap. It's what we're using right now to talk, and our relative minds feed off each other. they grow in complexity and depth. but the relative mind must know what it is, what its limitation is and move away. Stopping does not mean dissapearing because this is impossible, there is only one mind: existence. to deviate is to change frequency, from relative to absolute functioning. The absolute does not define, it does not contrast, it does not draw plot lines, it does not function in a linear way but in a profound way. It is the total mind, which gains in depth the more you open yourself to it, so to yourself You can say that what I have said is a story, interpretation. but it is interpretation of the relative mind by the relative mind. the absolute mind does not speak.

I guess that the first is about the nature of the reality, and the second about the structure of the reality. Why reject one of them when both can be realized?

In Spanish no please! That's Mexican ?. Check the forum and focus on posts from people who speak from direct experience. there are some. Spirituality is something that has always interested to humans. We humans can open ourselves to infinity, it is a reality. There is a lot of confusion, since the nature of our mind is a trap in itself. Here some of us try to advance in the understanding of this trap to deactivate it. It is a reality and it works. If you encourage people to leave this forum, I encourage them to continue but with an independent and free mind. You have to identify your beliefs and let them go, otherwise everything is nonsense.

@justfortoday I also have many publications ?, but I will tell you that the thing is obvious, there is nothing to search, nothing to know, there is me, and I open myself to see. It couldn't be more obvious, it's reality. Simply remove the ideas and reality remains. Reality is deep, and I delve into it, so into me. There is nothing I can tell you about reality, only what are the obstacles that I have found that keep you on the surface, one is to think that there is outside. Outside and inside are the same. Any specific idea about reality unnecessary, a source of confusion. if you want to see you have to let them go.

The mind attached to beliefs is a stupid mind by definition. Once you let go of stupidity the mind is freed, but that does not mean it is empty, forms constantly arise since that is the nature of the mind, but nothing is interpreted, it is simply reality flowing. Even so, there are barriers, there are levels of depth and clarity with which the mind free of concept perceives itself

I meant, if you empty your mind, the essence of the absolute is realized, but últimately an empty mind and a full mind are the same, the absolute,just that in the full mind the trees hide the wood. There is no different quality in emptiness compared to fullness, it only seems that way. Imo The error is assuming that there is a wrong activity, which leads to suffering, vs. an enlightening attitude that liberates from it. everything is the absolute. There is just our preference against suffering because it's unpleasant . Once you have seen this, all you have to do is open yourself to yourself as deep as you can

So do you think that the relative is a manifestation of the absolute? I'd say that there is no relative, just seems relative due the mental activity. There is no duality, not a god creating, not dream , just absolute in movement. Agree that you can realize the quality of the absolute, it's essence, and you don't need more than that, but you can realize also it's movement, as you said, manifestation, but it isn't relative, it's also absolute

true, but there is a nuance. There is no absolute/relative duality, right? The only thing relative is the appearance that occurs due to the activity of the conceptual mind. So, this moment, now, is the absolute. You can sit in meditation and stop the activity I mentioned above and realize that you are absolute. This is what we describe here as enlightenment, right? But once this is done, there is more. you, as a human, are a defined pattern of existence. This pattern has a very variable possible opening range. You can realize the absolute and have a narrow aperture range, or wider. The broader, the more perception of reality. not of relative reality, this does not exist! but from the unfathomable depth of absolute reality that you are The thing is not to get a conceptual definition, or knowing, it's to see deeper. Just look around you: magic. What is that? Just images? No, it's the absolute in movement, and we are that . How deep can you see? For anyone who discover the possibility to get a bit deeper, it's impossible to don't want to go a bit more. It's like scuba diving, beauty and magic to discover inside you, and you, the energetic pattern, get adapted little by little to more openess, more depth. Just for the beauty, but what is existence at the end?

That's when I was struggling with 5meo, now I did 5meo so many times that I stopped because even I vape 25 mg, it doesn't give anything to me, total dissolution is just total dissolution, a Monday afternoon. Sometimes I did 3 times in one day, because I felt that some structure was remaining, until nothing left. I feel quite comfortable with the dissolution. if now I'm going to do a big dose of 5 meo, my fear is just a little . So I'd say you are not very accurate in your deductions

We are who wants to open ourselves to the truth. The relative self needs to be fed by a constant mental flow that creates a conceptual model

Where you see conflict I see the attempt to tune concepts, to get deep in understanding, in making the other person to think and express their point. You see conflict because you feel attacked, and you react by defending yourself. You feel attacked because you have the need to maintain a status to yourself and when that status is threatened, you defend it. If none of that existed in you, you would see all of this for what it is: a mind game. But as it exists, all your reasoning is corrupted by that need. But you are too trapped in your need of self esteem for now, so it's useless to point you that, it just is going to provoke another reaction , but anyway I tell it to you because I like to put the truth in the surface

Because they are just concepts and we want to see directly. Concepts are mental handles that the self needs to constantly create a model of what reality is. This by definition is wrong, because reality is not the model. the model is always limited, the clarity is limitless

Before thinking about the subject, the human perspective would have to be completely eliminated. For you, as a human, being born into a sect of sadistic pricopathic pedophiles is something, let's say, negative. but take away everything personal. imagine that it is a flow of reality that leads to another different level. They are just movements, yin balancing the yang in the immensity of the cosmic dance.

Yeah, but do you see what already is in its unfathomable depth?

Suffering is the engine of evolution. No suffering means no evolution. We'll see, maybe he's deceived, maybe he's pointing to something real.

Exactly. That is the moment where the struggle to equalize the human ends and the possibility of true openness to what reality is begins.

It doesn't mean nothing to you, but means everything to me. When Hawkings says on his scale: love, joy, bliss, etc., for me it is focused on a dimension of, let's say, sensations. For me it lacks the dimension of depth, of openness. because it is a dimension that I perceive clearly, the one that I perceive the most. for him enlightenment is to see love, glory, etc. For me it is that the cosmos opens and reveals itself as a living being, like a plant that develops. It is unlimited vision. Hawkins doesn't talk about this on his scale, so for me he lacks that dimension. Seems that it's the level 400, reason, but it's something different, reason is conceptual thinking. When he says understanding he means that kind of understanding, or that's that I see in his scheme. So maybe if he's here, he could give an opinion, and maybe id see that I was wrong