Breakingthewall

It's the spirituality that assume that the self is just a thought. The thoughts are a manifestation of the self. The self is a real energetic structure with genetic foundations that develops throughout life. Since I was about 8 years old, I realized I had to overcome my fear and strive for openness. I've acted accordingly as much as possible, so I more or less understand how it works.

Ok ok , reality is nothing , it's a dream and nobody is dreaming then the dream is not😭

Dreams means nothing, it's just an idea. Seems that for you its necessary being nihilistic

It's not where you ve been, it's how deep is your perception now. The difference is radical . It's the difference between living focused on a point, thinking that point is everything, like a donkey with a carrot, or expanding your angle of perception to 360°, adding the dimension of unlimited depth and perceiving the living flow of each moment. It's a total evolutionary step.

You clearly perceive that reality is limitless , Reality is total freedom and you are that, you always have been and it's absolutely obvious, but at the same time reality is a process, it is interconnected fluid change, then you realize that the self is a form that the flow of reality takes and that it has continuity, nothing has limits, therefore death is not a limit for the self, everything has an energetic imprint, and the complexity and depth of the self are enormous. Ultimately you could say that it means nothing, but locally it does, therefore it is essential to align that self with the flow to the maximum, to delve into it by breaking through the superficial layer. The beauty of the self is enormous, it is a hyper-complex construction, full of nuances, alive, that evolves every second and that is connected to the totality of existence. Life stops being boring and empty shit and becomes full of meaning, vital, vibrant, powerful.

Yes, because the self is a reality. But the self can open it's perspective for a while and realize it's nature, be one with the flow and become unlimited, then the self see what it is, what the reality is, and can align itself with the flow more and more. Getting stuck in ideas like the reality is this or that is meaningless, try the real thing. Ok the reality is nothing, then, collapse the duality, be one with the unlimited, you will see.

Those are just relative ideas that the self formulates . Have meaning just from the perspective of the self . The point is not defining the reality, is collapsing the duality. It's an energetic shift, something that you do, not that you know

It's not an illusion, it's a change of perspective, the collapse of duality. This doesn't mean that the self doesn't exist, it exists, but it's like a splitting of the flow occurs, creating a duality. This duality is real, but it's within the flow itself. You are the flow in the sense that you are reality, but you are also the self in this specific configuration. You can call it illusion or anything but why? The point is collapsing the duality to be limitless, then be limited again. This shift makes the self relativize it's reality and be able to align itself with the flow. Saying that the flow is imaginary is something that the self says, another limit

Ok then. For me, what works in meditation is, first, erase meaning. Nothing means anything. Second, equalize yourself with the flow, with the becoming, with the movement that occurs. You are not the observer, you are the movement. At a given moment, the shift occurs, and limits disappear. It's quite simple.

The witness who observes and lovingly lets thoughts pass is a dual limit.

The thing is, the one who realizes infinite love and all that is the self. If the self collapses and you are one with the flow, and total openness manifests, you are unlimited. The self translates this into infinite love, or whatever

Ok that's true but that's only the superficial layer of the self. If I educate a kid in fear and doubt, for example, the fear and doubt settle within him; he is that, it merge with his body. They are in his posture, in his gaze, in every micro-movement he makes; every time he speaks, in his voice, intonation, rhythm, there is fear and doubt. It's energetically inscribed in their being. So, if that kid, as an adult, manages to stop thinking with meditation techniques, he will be silent, but fear and doubt will continue to exist in his energetic system. As soon as a psychological process begins, for example, a girl on the bus says "hello" to him, a vibration of fear and doubt will occur in him; he will be his nature, without the need for thought or identification.

No self means that there is not a chair, it's just the flow, If there is a chair, there is self, and there is not experience because it implies experiencer, it's just reality flowing I'd like to watch that video.

I think it's obvious what it is, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong. It is a relational flow of infinite perspectives, reflections, fluctuations, or contrasts of the unlimited within itself. It is an inevitable unfolding that occurs because it is not contained or limited. It is composed of synchronous, that is, possible, dynamic relationships. Anything that appears is composed of infinite synchronous relationships or relative changes and appears because it can appear, because the totality of the relational flow allows for that possibility.

No self means that the perceptor and the perception are just the form of the flow, doesn't mean that the self dissapear. It is real, as a form in the flow. Btw, it's not the final step. When the flow is without separation, it's nature can manifest. It's opensess without limit, and in that openess the nature of the reality manifests: total, absolute potential. More than potential, totality. The end of the lack, absolute fullness.

But it's not a dream because no one is dreaming it, nor is there anything more real to compare it to. It's simply the reality. It's movement is it's will, its relationship are it's intelligence. It's not that the intelligence is creating it, it is the intelligence. the movement itself is the will. The separation is zero, it's not a creator because the flow is the creator and the creation

What observer, if there is no self? Everything is changing, endless becoming. If you like call it illusory ok, but it's changing always without end, then it's caused by infinite (imaginary) causes and is effect of infinite possibilities. If you call them imaginary ok, but they are. It's exactly the same than real

Let me explain it more simply. Reality is unlimited, and therefore infinite relationships and perspectives occur. They never began, nor do they have an end or limit. Therefore, the flow of reality has infinite causes and infinite possibilities. It is interconnected with infinite relationships, and is what we could call "everything." You could say that the substance that relates is not something, but it doesn't matter; the fact of relating, reflecting, is something, is everything, and it's rised to infinity power

If God wanted something, it would be based on a preference, and this preference would be based on another preference, and so on, infinitely. Then, God would be an infinite chain of preferences, since a preference can only arise from another preference, never from nothing. Reality does not arise from nothing, since doing so would mean that it is originated, that it has a beginning, a limit, and before that limit there is nothing. So there is also an end, a limited reality.

Ok, then Im going to a answer in your place: all that you're saying is illusion, there's no self or flow, nothing has ever happened, there's no one to whom it's happened, this is simply nothingness. Then I answer: What do you mean there's nothing? And if they locked you in a box with 300 rats that haven't eaten in a month, and also piranhas, would you say there's nothing?

I would say that in the flow of reality that is occurring, there is a stable structure, a totally real relational node, which is the self. The flow of reality creates forms of enormous complexity. only observe, listen, and feel what you are. One of those forms is the self, and this self decides to collapse. You can say it's transitory or illusory in the sense that it's not really a center of perception; it's a mirage. Perception itself is a mirage. It's existence existing, but within it there is what we call the self, which makes decisions. These decisions are the flow. There's no difference between deciding and the flow, because it really is the flow. It's not as if the decision is predetermined. at the moment it occurs, that's the flow of reality. It's exactly the same.

What means exactly that the self is illusory? I gave you 3 examples in the other post, the doctor, the accident and the tiger. Where is the difference? For me it's clear that there is no difference, the tiger is same real than the news of the doctor, then, why one is real and the other illusion? The example of the doctor is just an example, a new that is going to create a stable vibration of fear. Another reason could be that your mother didn't love you or anything. That creates a stable vibrational structure that is as real as a tiger. If the self is illusory, the tiger also. Just tell me your perspective, without entering if I'm this or that

The realization of no self, at least for me, it means that you collapse the separation between subject and object, between receiving center and experience. That is, there is no center that receives the information, but rather there is a living flow, and this flow takes the form of a perceiver perceiving. "Perceiving" or being conscious ceases to have meaning since what exists is the flow of reality. Then reality can recognize its nature, since it has broken through the limits. Perceiving becomes equivalent to existing, and with no limitations, the total openness of reality manifests.

But you said that you are omnipotent and you create the dream of reality. Creation needs an intention and an action to achieve a result: the dream of reality. Then you are creating something concrete, so if you are in god mode you could change anything. Why you can't?

I saw God, he was a light of total openness, transparent, limitless, total. It was its face He was also a source from which life emerged, and life was a divine nectar that was total joy, without blemish, without lack, absolutely full. It was its heart He was also a billowing flame emerging from the bottomless depths, dancing with itself in an intricate dance, joyful, sensual. It was its character He was also an infinite unfolding of form, without process, instantaneous, limitless, total. It was its form He was also a flow that flowed ceaselessly, and that flow was called intelligence and will, and they were direct; they didn't create the movement of the flow, they were the movement of the flow.