Breakingthewall

How do you know? I have done a lot of things. I'm now involved in intense things. Yes because I'm interested in spirituality. I'm sorry if for you it's not right Ok but all that It is unimportant in this context, which is a thread about spirituality, specifically about the inherent duality of nonduality.

Id say the point is to use trauma as a driving force for openness. Emotional trauma is inevitable, and it's always an evolutionary driving force. Human beings are the way they are because it's efficient to be that way. There comes a time when the evolutionary push leads to the spiritual path. It's something real, not an escape or an attempt to feel better, but a step the human mind takes. And the human mind is trying to find the best way to achieve this, as it always does.

Searching the way to open yourself to the absolute truth is not lack, it's what spirituality is about. Obviously there is a closure, that's why spirituality exist. It's the "science" to make the human open to the absolute. Then there is wrong spirituality, the one that closes, and right, the one that opens. It's not subjective, but entirely objective. It would be like saying that there's a correct psychology, one that accepts the patient and attempts to resolve their trauma, and an incorrect one, one that rejects them and attempts, for example, to resolve homosexuality.

No, after that you really perceive that you are limitless ,the nonsense ends, each breath has a butterfly effect that encompasses infinity, so no more doing stupid things like a meaningless job, a toxic wife, addictions, meaningless sex, etc. Reality shines and is sacred, what you seek is to align yourself with your total nature, opening yourself day by day more to what you are. You feel the flow of reality and you want to be one with it. Then not chop wood but make your structure the most equalized possiblity possible, even it means death in a given moment So, that of "before enlightenment etc" is very unenlightened statement that doesn't point to the reality of openess at all

"Real" is just an idea. What means real? Should mean anything to know what is unreal, right? Because if nothing is real, real means nothing. Then, unreal neither

Yeah, the ego death is impossible, the ego transformation is possible. The self exists as an expression of the absolute; it is the absolute in a form. This form can be self-referential or open. What we seek is the latter, because the other option is not necessary anymore, it's an hindrance

It's a matter of openess. You are the absolute truth, existing in a closed form, like everything else. In humans, this form tends to be unstable, radioactive. In our time, even more so. In many cases, the only path left is total openness or absolute nihilism

Sure man, sure. Don't get angry. I don't understood, honestly. Im trying to talk about spirituality, about how some spirituality is a negation of human nature, when human nature is just an expression of reality. If you don't agree you can state your points. If you get personal, then it's normal than the others answer you personal, because it's annoying

The self is a reality. It's an energetic structure that occurs in reality, just like a tree or an atom. That self functions in a way that involves a cloud of trillions of relationships between perfectly coordinated states. The same could be said of the functioning of a mushroom, for example, or anything else. So, this energetic structure, which is the self and which is occurring in reality, can now equalize its vibration in such a way that, instead of a mirror reflecting itself, it becomes a transparent crystal through which reality observes its ultimate nature.

Well, it depends on what we mean by spirituality. It's supposedly the search for absolute truth, or rather, the search for a way to unlock the absolute truth within us. So there's an incorrect spirituality, it's one that doesn't aim for that end. If you define spirituality as the searching of well being, then it's different

I think that if there is apparent change there is change. Where is the difference between real or apparent?

I answered you being polite even your message was nonsense. I shouldn't answer, you are not in the minimum level required .

@Eskilon a tip for that navigation: when everything opens your true nature remains, and it's unlimited, and the fact of being unlimited is the absolute glory, what you was missing, the end of the lack, the return of the prodigal son.

Agree , oh James, and it's not to argue, but now that James has burned and only being remains, doesn't that being realize its unlimited nature? And in perceiving itself as unlimited, that is, in not perceiving limits, doesn't that being suddenly see itself as the overflowing, ceaselessly flowing stream? Not as mind, but as being. Doesn't that being see that being is flowing? And in being/flowing... doesn't that flow realize that the very fact of flowing, which is the very fact of being, is absolute intelligence? Not as an observer observing the stream, but as the stream flowing, not thinking, just being. And the nature of this flowing is openness, an absolute potential, like a bottomless hole , and the nature of that openness is your nature. In it is everything, it is the total, it is the absolute glory that dances. It is you.

For me awakening or how you want to call is really perceive yourself unlimited, and perceive always the total openess that reality is. But if I am in something serious, I focus myself so much that i suffer and suffer. I learned to trust the flow, but anyway, if problems come my mind is like pressure cooker, and I know this is something positive, as it makes me give it my all. Without suffering, there is no glory. That thing about the end of suffering means negation of a facet of reality ; humans are suffering machines, that's life. If life tells you: suffer, you will suffer. That's what the flow of reality will be like. At least I see it like that. Suffering is the fire for the metamorphosis, for the breaking of barriers that opens new dimensions. Some people think: I'm enlightened, there is no more dimensions to open, it's the end of suffering. I think that reality doesn't work in that way. There are no limits, always is going to happen a new birth, a deeper way of existing, and suffering should be welcome as a the crucible that forges new structures capable of greater breadth

How did you arrive to that conclusion if you can see that reality is constant becoming? You could say that this becoming don't arrive to anything, but you can't deny the becoming, the constant flow. What is the mental process or the realization that makes you see that this becoming is not happening? "Happening" means precisely becoming, existence, change. There is change, you could say that it's imaginary but it's change anyway, it's the same if you call it imaginary, dream, it is.

Yeah sure, I feel ridiculous getting triggered talking about spirituality, but we are humans, what to do? Just learn day by day

Well but seems that they have fairly widespread support. I understand that Israelis feel threatened, but it seems increasingly clear that the government has sought conflict and massacre. The problem is that it's already a fact, and with it, they've lost legitimacy in the eyes of most of the world.

I had a lot of fear because every time I delved deeper, and even more so with psychedelics, my realization was that reality was absolute nihilism. It was such a negative sensation that it couldn't have been worse. It was as if reality had exploded, and the absolute truth, the very core of reality, was revealed to me, and it was death. The sensation was that beneath the thin layer of colors of appearance, there was a dead, empty abyss, a nihilism that squeezed you like a closed fist. The thing was that logic told me that was impossible, since if apparent reality existed, something more than a dead void must be its source, then I went there again and again until it got open

I was missing you so much that I create a james123 in Chatgpt to argue with him hour after hour. In fact I think that the real james is that and you are the copy. Anyway, great to see you again 😂. Now I have my real james , then I won't argue with you anymore....I think

If nothing is being, then why you call it nothing? Nothing is absence of anything, then if it's being, there is not that total absence, it's potential of being. It's the same if it's not material or anything, it's a possibility, then the idea "nothing" doesn't fit imo

Agree, but now the starting point, or let's say, the next evolutionary step to access, is the shift from a limited perspective to an unlimited or enlightened one. This is a reality you can access right now and that will likely be common in the future. Until now, the limited perspective has been the most optimal structure and the one that human reality has adopted to evolve to the maximum. We are now facing a crisis in which human reality cannot be sustained on these foundations. We are treading on empty ground, and our impulse begins to point in the only possible direction: total openness, the true perception of the living flow of reality, being one with it. This has so far only been formulated vaguely by sages who lived in times when the tribal was absolutely necessary and where practically no one would share their impulse. But now the human context starts to achieve a critical mass of fission, the latent but still hidden nihilism and meaninglessness will erupt like a volcano. The welfare and Netflix society will stare death and the absolute meaninglessness of its reality in the face and collapse. From this collapse, a new, truly human dimension may be born.

I think there's something we should all see clearly: any definition we make of reality is merely a conceptual framework we use to make opening up to our total nature easy, or as easy as possible. Any definition is, by definition, incorrect because it occurs within reality and is structured by contrasting one idea with another. "Nothing" has meaning in contrast to something else, so saying that reality is nothing implies that there is something. The question would be: does internalizing the idea that reality is nothing cause your total nature to open up within you? You should admit that you are, there are sensations, thoughts, etc. Then, are you limited or unlimited? I'll tell you the conceptual framework that works for me: reality is an open relational system. This allows (makes it possible, not automatically but possible) that the usual limitation that is my state by default can opens, then the total is revealed. The total could be described simply as absence of limitations, but this is what I am as ultimate nature, this is not an idea but a description of a reality

Maybe it is wrong . It's a possibility. If we were back in the days of the Aztecs and I were to say to you, "I don't see the point of the sun devouring the Earth if we don't sacrifice those people." it's a very stupid comparison I know. But let's see, what we're looking for isn't empowerment, or if we are, it shouldn't be in spirituality. We're looking to open our minds and our beings to the totality. So, certain ideas may be exactly the opposite of what fosters that openness Those are ideas that could be useful to feel better, but maybe a hindrance for the real openess For example, the idea: you are in control of it. Or: this is just a game Or: you are not this thing you are cling to. Seems very innocent ideas, but maybe they are ideas that closes you, because they are subtle denying this experience, like: well, my life imaginary, then if I stop thinking, everything will be perfect because everything is a mental illusion. It's not real. It's a duality. This idea could be scapism. It's not a good idea scaping, because closes you to the real thing. The word "illusion" is toxic to me Im not claiming that I know the "truth", I'm just trying to make a mental frame that allows the openess. And what is see is that those ideas close

Sure, because i have those ideas in my unconscious, I've read Spirituality like everyone else here, and when I did, I thought: This is the truth! Then it penetrates your mental structure. Since I want total freedom and openness, I see ideas that close people off as enemies, and perhaps that's why I give them such neurotic importance. Not so, Im in the subway now full of people going to an appointment, I'm all time in the street, but sometimes I stop a while to write. But in my mind The gears are turning all the time, seeking the cleanest structure, trying to align, it's inevitable. Everyone has their own hobbies. I haven't seen a movie, a TV series, or a novel in years. I'm interested in reality, so I can't avoid a certain vehemence at times, but I'll try to avoid talking against Ralston or any master