Breakingthewall

These countries didn't exist until after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. This doesn't mean they should be fragmented, but we should understand what the Middle East was like before the English and French drew artificial borders in XX century

Could be a false statement, or a true one, the game is not over. The Middle East is a very complicated place. Israel has one goal, and that is to survive as a nation. Do you think it should disappear? It seems they've made a great effort; they're earning the respect of surrounding countries. And in doing so, perhaps they'll generate stability. If Israel didn't exist, do you think there would be peace in the Middle East? There's always war there; it's easy to blame everyone but yourself. How important are the Palestinians? Much more so than the Kurds? Or the Syrians? Or all those who are in war zones now? Why? Palestinians have built their identity on hatred. It's their core. You see that as absolutely justified; I see it as absolute stupidity. Different opinions. And seems that west now support the hate of the Palestinian.

The reality is simple: Israel has confronted radical Islam and destroyed Gaza. What have Muslim countries done? Nothing, and this in part because most agree with Israel. Only the mentally ill Iranians and the profoundly retarded Erdogan, who finance terrorists, in addition to Qatar, have timidly barked. Result: The odds are 10 to 1 that the Iranian regime will fall quickly and Erdogan will be crushed in the next elections. And let's see if they stop sending millions to the Muslim Brotherhood to annoy the Europeans. Most Muslim countries will applaud the fall of those clowns.

Then they should leave. What are you going to get with that ideas? Millions of deaths?

I don't hate Palestinian at all, I posted many videos of Palestinian that are smart and brave, open minded, like this https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLHXhVuBhn3/?igsh=MXFwMDhtYTZzZ3dpNw== But I see that it's impossible to coexist with the extremist, and a lot of them are absolutely extremist. What the Jews should do? Leave?

Exchanging the hostages for 2,000 Hamas terrorists saves the lives of those hostages, but at the price of how many deaths in the future?

The Palestinians weren't a state; they were tribal settlers of a territory. They shared that territory with Jews and Christians. Half a million Jews arrived, bringing development and wealth. They were given the opportunity to have a state and be full citizens in the Jewish state. They chose war, not once, but many times, constantly, with nothing to gain. They are absolutely stupid, but not all of them. This woman in the video is intelligent. The https://www.instagram.com/reel/DN28jU5wr21/?igsh=MWQ4ZWJ2azJ6bGNjNQ==

He understands well his society Shit you have the heart of a lion, You are right, if an alien society comes and says that this galactic sector is under their jurisdiction, but that I will continue to retain my properties, I will have citizen status and they will also bring technology that will make me immortal, I will say: no!!!!! in the name of Muhammad I will educate my children to commit suicide since nothing is more terrible than not being sovereign! I want to be subjected to an retarded Spanish dictator! Only he can sodomize me and put me in jail for 25 years for a comment on Instagram!! But they're not aliens. They're Jews who've lived in that land for 3,000 years. There's always been a Jewish presence, and when Israel was founded, there were half a million living there. They didn't oppress or steal. They brought wealth and prosperity, openness and vitality. Why don't collaborate and grow together as a society? Maybe because Muslims don't want to grow, just go to paradise? Listen this Muslim, he's smart https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNxiSB52NbW/?igsh=bG1qNm44ZG1oaGc4

I simply think the Palestinians should have adapted to the changing times and evolved instead of glorifying martyrdom and doing nothing constructive. Living with people like that is impossible; it's a sure war. Your opinion is that Israel should bow to these mentally ill people; mine is that they shouldn't.

🔹 If the Palestinians Had Accepted the UN Partition Plan, Would They Have Kept Their Land? Yes — that is one of the most tragic and paradoxical points in the entire conflict. If the Palestinians had accepted the 1947 UN Partition Plan, they would have retained legal and actual ownership of their lands, even inside the territory assigned to the Jewish state. 1. Land situation before 1947 At the end of the British Mandate, Jews owned only about 6–7% of all land in Palestine. Most of the land belonged to Arab families or absentee landlords, especially from Syria and Lebanon. Jewish settlements were concentrated in Tel Aviv, Haifa, and a few kibbutzim in the north. 2. The 1947 UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181) The plan did not divide territory according to current ownership, but rather according to population distribution and future needs. The Jewish state was assigned about 55% of the territory, but within that area lived around 400,000 Arabs and about 500,000 Jews. The resolution explicitly guaranteed that Arabs remaining in the Jewish state would keep their properties and full civil rights. It also provided for an international compensation mechanism for any land that might have to be transferred. 3. What would have happened if the Arabs had accepted it There would have been no war, and thus no exodus or confiscations. Arab Palestinians would have kept their homes, farms, and businesses, with property rights protected under international supervision. The proposed Arab state would have received immediate recognition and foreign aid. Mixed areas such as Jerusalem would have been placed under international administration, with no exclusive control by either side. 4. What actually happened The Arab League rejected the plan and launched a war to prevent the creation of Israel. During the 1948 war, over 700,000 Arabs fled or were expelled, and their properties were seized under Israel’s Absentees’ Property Law. Those who remained inside Israel (about 160,000 people) kept their citizenship and much of their land; they are today’s Arab Israelis. The refugees and their descendants — now more than five million — were never allowed to return. 5. Conclusion If the Palestinians had accepted the partition plan, they would have retained nearly half of the land of Mandatory Palestine, their property within the Jewish state would have remained theirs, and a Palestinian state would have existed since 1948.

@zazen come to the real world. Israel is the best thing that could have happened to the Palestinians and the Middle East in general. They can't continue living in the Middle Ages, stoning adulterers, hanging gays, and killing blasphemers in the 30th century. When we open interdimensional portals and communicate with alien civilizations, what would happen if one of them drew a picture of Muhammad? Have you thought about that? An intergalactic war! That would be terrible!

Muslim nations couldn't care less about the many other, worse conflicts occurring in the Muslim world. Only this one seems important to them, and it's for identity reasons. A century ago, this was, let's say, inevitable, but now they should evolve, and they are. Indonesia already says it's necessary to accept Israel. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and the United Arab Emirates are also on that same page. And soon, everyone except the Islamist clowns in the line of the Muslim Brotherhood like Turkey, Iran, and Qatar will do so. Islamism, not Islam, islamism, is a plague, and must dissapear from this world. Then Islam could be just a religion, not a political system . We are in XXI century, not in X. And why will they do it, accepting Israel? Because of the strength that Israel has demonstrated and continues to demonstrate. So, why is Israel's attitude in Gaza so wrong, if it's the only one its neighbors respect?

The Spanish were ruled by the Romans without any problems. They didn't spend all day crying. In fact, they thought it was a positive thing. Then they were ruled by the Arabs, and the same thing happened, without spending all day committing attacks. Everything was fine, until they declared war on them. They won and expelled the Arabs. If they had lost, they would have been Arabs and wouldn't have spent 300 years crying and stabbing Arabs. Otherwise, they would have been exterminated, which is what happens to the mentally retarded who can't accept reality. And btw, the war that the Spanish and french declared to the Arabs was a religious war. The reason of that war was expelling the Islam . It's the same that the war that the Muslim countries have now with Israel. The difference is that the Spanish were in the 10 century, and the Muslims in the 21, with the same ideas

Please, don't humiliate yourself anymore. If I lived in Barcelona on the verge of starvation and without shoes, and the Catalonian came to administer my lands, previously administered by some Muslim with an IQ of 50, and those Catalonian brought wealth, prosperity, technology and evolution, and they promise me that I can keep the property of my land, I would tell them that if they needed a blowjob, let me know. I understand your logic. You Muslims are victims, and it's right that you commit massacres and declare war after war because your pride, and when you loose all those wars stay crying a century and commiting terrorist attacks. Well, with people like that, there's only one language: the one being spoken now. Even donkeys understand that.

@zazen @zazen I think you misunderstood. They would retain 100% of the territory, meaning no Palestinian would have been expelled from their lands. Furthermore, they would have gained a state administering 45% of Palestine, something they've never done throughout history, since they were always colonized. They would have simply shared administration of the country with the Jews, which would have provided enormous advantages. It seems difficult for you to understand the situation. They started with violence over a matter of religious identity, and they remain the same, like in the Middle Ages. They are incapable of evolving. And all the mentally retarded people in the West say "Free Palestine," without knowing that Palestinians are not free; they are slaves to their Muslim identity, just like 16 billion other, let's say not specially smart people.

@zazen do you agree with this? 🔹 What If the Arabs Had Accepted the 1947 Partition Plan? This is the key question — the moment when history could have turned in a completely different direction. If the Palestinian Arabs and the surrounding Arab states had accepted the UN Partition Plan in 1947, there would have been no war, and the entire story of the Middle East in the 20th century would have been fundamentally different. Here’s what would likely have happened, based on historical evidence and realistic projections: 1. They would have kept their land The UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181, 1947) gave 45% of the territory to an Arab state and 55% to a Jewish state. Arab-owned lands within the Jewish zone would have been protected or compensated under international supervision, not confiscated. Laws like Israel’s later Absentees’ Property Law would never have existed, because no mass flight or expulsion would have taken place. 2. They would have had their own state since 1948 The Arab state of Palestine would have been born at the same time as Israel. It would have included Gaza, Hebron, Nablus, East Jerusalem, and much of central Galilee. It would have received immediate international recognition and economic aid for development. The refugee crisis that has defined Palestinian identity for generations would never have existed. 3. Arabs living inside the Jewish state They would have remained as a protected minority, just as Jews would have lived in the Arab state. Israel, seeking international legitimacy, would have been highly motivated to protect Arab citizens’ rights. There would have been no legal or practical reason to seize their property or displace them. 4. The Arab countries would have avoided decades of war The wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973 would never have happened. Egypt, Syria, and Jordan could have focused on domestic development instead of losing repeated wars. Arab nationalism might have evolved into a modern, secular, developmental movement, rather than one defined by revenge and religion. 5. In summary If the Arabs had accepted partition: Palestine would today be an independent state, created alongside Israel. There would be no refugee camps, no occupation, no destroyed Gaza. And Israel itself would likely be less militarized and more open. In short, violence was not inevitable — it was a political choice, based on the belief (very common at the time) that the new Jewish state could be destroyed in a matter of weeks.

During the 500 years under the Ottoman Empire, Muslims held power, and Christians and Jews coexisted peacefully, subject to a special tax. After Jewish immigration, this changed, and Arabs could have coexisted without this tax (and govern the other half of the country), with an unlimited horizon of possibilities, only without full voting rights. This is essential, since if they had the right to vote and there were more of them, they would vote for a Muslim president, and Israel would cease to exist. They would have the right to parliamentary representation, but not to lead the country. Except for this, they would have the right to own companies, direct hospitals, produce films, and create commercial and technological empires. Instead, they prefer to blow up their children to go to paradise. Well, fine. In my opinion, they're retarded. That's my opinion; I hope you respect it. I respect yours, which is that being under Jewish rule is horrible and frightening. It's comparable to being sold into slavery in a Senegalese market 2 centuries ago, and it deserves resistance until the extermination of your race.

Not true. If the Arabs had accepted the UN-proposed partition into two states, this would not have entailed the expulsion of Arabs from the Jewish zone or Jews from the Arab zone. In fact, it stipulated that they would be citizens with full rights. If the Arabs had been smart instead of stupid, they would have seen the enormous opportunity this represented (in fact those who stayed in Israel are who have the best quality of life in all middle east) .But for them, it's all pride and shame; life has no meaning, so they chose endless war and misery. For me anyone who choose war instead development and wealth because his entity is retarded. If the other option is slavery it's understandable, if it's just by pride, absolutely retarded without solution. Be retarded has heavy consequences in you and your descendants. Life don't forgive, maybe you already know it. Then you could blame and cry as a narcissist, but it's not going to solve anything. But this doesn't mean that the Arabs were specially stupid, it's the norm in humans. First hierarchy, second life. Anyway, now maybe it's time to rectify

@zazen @Raze The problem isn't the facts, but the cause. The Palestinians are supported by surrounding countries for purely religious and over all identity reasons. This is a religious war, understanding religion as political identity, the huge problem of islam. Saddam and Turkey massacred Kurds and no one says anything, but Saddam was constantly threatening Israel for identity, the same as the rest of the countries, and it's because of the political and supremacist nature of Islam. Let's see, did all the Christian countries get hysterical because the Turks committed the Armenian genocide? Christianity, if such a thing exists, felt any kind of offense? Does it feel it now because of the massacres of Christians in Nigeria? No. On the other hand, Muslims have these complexes, since they believe that Islam should have global supremacy, and the existence of Israel kills their sense of identity, nothing more. Without that, this would be a minor problem , just a civil war that would finished 80 years ago with any kind of agreement, maybe not perfect for the weaker but same than hundreds of others wars

If I were living in the absolute misery and colonized from 2000 years ago I would see it as an opportunity of developing and wealth. Unless I thought that I would go to hell due profanations and that, of course

@Raze reading what happened, id say that seems clear that Arabs always started the violence. I understand that if you watch videos where they forget mentioning the war of 1948 and just say that Jews expulsed 700.000 Arabs you can be confused, but read this, maybe makes your ideas bit clearer. Yes, was violence from Jew side, but always after an Arab attack. Perfect —here’s a concise chronological summary (1918–1948) of major terrorist or violent attacks committed by both Arab and Jewish factions in Mandatory Palestine 🇬🇧 Violence and Terrorism in Palestine (1918–1948) 🔹 1918–1920: Rising tension after Ottoman collapse 1919–1920: Arab nationalist leaders begin organizing against Zionist immigration. In April 1920, during the Nebi Musa riots in Jerusalem, Arab mobs—encouraged by nationalist speeches—attack Jewish residents: 5 Jews killed, over 200 injured. → First major anti-Jewish riot of the modern period. 🔹 1921: Jaffa riots May 1921: Arab rioters attack Jewish neighborhoods in Jaffa after rumors of Zionist provocations. 47 Jews and 48 Arabs killed. → The British suppress the riots, but tensions deepen. 🔹 1929: Hebron and Safed massacres Triggered by disputes over access to the Western Wall in Jerusalem. Arab mobs attack Jewish communities in Hebron and Safed. 133 Jews killed, 110 Arabs killed (mainly by British police). → Entire ancient Jewish community of Hebron wiped out. 🔹 1936–1939: The Great Arab Revolt A coordinated Arab uprising against British rule and Jewish immigration. Arab rebels kill both Jews and Arabs who cooperate with the British. ~430 Jews, 200 Britons, and several thousand Arabs killed (many by other Arabs). The British respond brutally: Mass arrests and executions of Arab militants. Destruction of villages. Support for Jewish self-defense militias (the Haganah). 👉 First large-scale guerrilla war in Palestine. 🔹 1937–1939: Jewish militant response Radical Jewish underground groups (the Irgun, later Lehi) begin terror reprisals against Arabs. 1937: Bombing of Arab markets in Haifa and Jerusalem. 1938: Bomb in Haifa market kills 78 Arabs. 1939: Irgun attacks British police posts. → Jewish terrorism begins as retaliation for Arab violence. 🔹 1940–1945: British targets During WWII, the Irgun and Lehi (also called the “Stern Gang”) turn against the British, demanding open Jewish immigration. 1944: Lehi assassins kill Lord Moyne, British Minister of State, in Cairo. 1946: King David Hotel bombing (by Irgun): 91 killed (Britons, Jews, Arabs). → One of the deadliest pre-state attacks. 🔹 1947–1948: Civil war before independence After the UN Partition Plan (Nov 29, 1947): Arab attacks: Convoys, buses, and Jewish neighborhoods ambushed daily. Jewish attacks: Irgun and Lehi bomb Arab markets and villages. April 9, 1948: Deir Yassin massacre —about 100 Palestinian civilians killed by Irgun and Lehi. → Panic spreads, triggering the Palestinian exodus. Arab ambushes: e.g., Hadassah medical convoy massacre (April 13, 1948) —78 Jewish doctors and nurses killed. 🔹 May 1948: End of the Mandate —War begins May 14, 1948: Israel declares independence. May 15, 1948: Arab armies invade from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon. → Civil war becomes a full regional war. 🔹 Summary of patterns PeriodMain actorsCharacter of violence 1918–1936Mainly Arab against Jewish civiliansAnti-Zionist riots and religious uprisings 1937–1945Jewish Irgun/Lehi vs. Arabs & BritishBombings, assassinations, reprisals 1947–1948Both sidesFull-scale civil war, massacres on both sides Analysis: Reactive vs. Strategic Violence 🔹 Arab side Reactive beginnings (1918–1936): Arab violence initially came as reaction to growing Jewish immigration and British support for Zionism. Many Arabs feared losing their land and identity. The early riots (1920, 1921, 1929) were spontaneous and emotional—driven by rumors, religious incitement, and political frustration. They lacked coordination or long-term strategy. Strategic phase (1936–1939): During the Great Arab Revolt, violence became organized and ideological—directed not just at Jews, but also at the British and moderate Arabs seen as collaborators. Leaders like the Mufti of Jerusalem sought to expel both Jews and British, hoping for Arab independence. However, the revolt’s brutality, including killings of Arabs, discredited the movement and led to internal collapse. --- 🔹 Jewish side Reactive beginnings (until mid-1930s): Jewish violence started as self-defense through groups like the Haganah, created after pogroms and massacres. These forces were mainly defensive—protecting convoys, farms, and settlements. Strategic escalation (late 1930s onward): With the rise of militant factions (Irgun, Lehi), some Zionists adopted offensive terrorism as deliberate strategy: To deter Arab attacks through reprisals. To pressure the British into allowing immigration and independence. To demonstrate Jewish strength before the creation of a state. These groups viewed violence as a political instrument, not just reaction. --- 🔹 Final phase (1947–1948): full symmetry After the UN Partition Plan, both sides acted simultaneously: Arabs attacked Jewish civilians to block the partition. Jewish militias carried out offensive operations to secure territory before the British withdrawal. By early 1948, violence had become reciprocal and total—no longer reactive but existential.

The Nakba occurred after the start of the war between Palestinians and Jews, which was later joined by a coalition of Arab countries, initiated by Palestine after rejecting the plan to partition into two states. Read the chain of events and stop insulting, shows that you don't believe in your arguments 🔹 1. The political spark: UN Partition Plan (November 29, 1947) The United Nations approved Resolution 181, the Partition Plan for Palestine, which proposed: Two states —one Jewish (55 %) and one Arab (45 %). Jerusalem under international administration. The Jewish leadership accepted the plan (with some reservations). The Arab and Palestinian leaders rejected it completely, calling it an injustice and colonial theft. 👉 From that moment, coexistence collapsed. --- 🔹 2. Immediate outbreak: intercommunal violence (December 1947) The very next day, November 30, Arab militants attacked Jewish buses near Lod and Ramla—killing passengers. Jewish militias (Haganah, Irgun) retaliated with raids on Arab villages and convoys. Throughout December 1947 – January 1948: Markets, houses, synagogues, and mosques were burned. Ambushes and assassinations occurred daily. The British, still in charge of the Mandate, did little to intervene. 👉 This phase is often called the Palestinian civil war—a war between communities inside the Mandate. --- 🔹 3. Escalation: April 1948 In March–April, Jewish forces launched Operation Nachshon to break the Arab siege of Jerusalem. During this campaign, the Deir Yassin massacre (April 9, 1948) left about 100 Palestinian civilians dead. Panic spread; tens of thousands fled their villages. At the same time, the Haganah shifted from defense to offense, capturing major Arab towns (Haifa, Tiberias, Safed). 👉 By April, the local conflict had turned into full-scale war, though still without foreign armies. --- 🔹 4. The formal start: Arab invasion (May 15, 1948) On May 14, 1948, David Ben-Gurion declared the State of Israel. At midnight, Britain withdrew from Palestine. On May 15, five Arab states—Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Transjordan (Jordan)— invaded the new state from all directions. 👉 That date marks the official beginning of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, known in Israel as the War of Independence and among Palestinians as al-Nakba (“the Catastrophe”). --- 🔹 5. Summary timeline Date Event Nov 29 1947 UN Partition Plan approved Nov 30 1947 First Arab attacks on Jewish targets Apr 9 1948 Deir Yassin massacre; mass flight of civilians May 14 1948 Declaration of the State of Israel May 15 1948 Invasion by Arab armies —official start of the war

I Stop the video when they said that in 1948 the Israelis began massacres and the expulsion of 700,000 Palestinians, without mentioning the war declared against them. I don't understand why he shows those propaganda videos for the mentally retarded. We're supposed to know how history happene, but anyway, it seems he consumes that stuff

The expansion in the West Bank without compensation is a shame and a crime. I agree. But the only way to create a Palestinian state is non violent fight . Palestinian violence is exactly what the extremist Jews want. If Palestinian are stupid, they will loose everything.

@Raze The West Bank has formally renounced armed struggle, but not de facto. If the Palestinians truly renounced killing in Israel, Netanyahu wouldn't win the elections, but rather the moderates who would not allow further settlement expansion.