Breakingthewall

Sometimes it appears the same again and again

@Water by the River According to your publication about enlightenment, it seems that for you, you are god imagining reality, the past, the human avatar...how would you nuance this? Because this is very close to solipsism

If there isn't self, there is not the idea of oneness or others, you can't say there are no others, just unlimited is. Others are out of the equation, even if they exist or not. Others doesn't matter. Look, the others exist right? You can see them now, you are talking with people, so you could deduct that then infinite splits infinitely, so inside you there is infinite and inside me too, inside and outside are the same, it's infinity, another rules.

According with @Water by the River it's a kind of oneness, I don't know, not for me, for me its just unlimited and impersonal, alive existence. One means center, and it's the opposite of many, unlimited is beyond one and many, it could be both. But maybe one day i see it totally different, maybe you too

Well, I think that god realization is not enlightenment, god realization is the psyche opening to divinity. Enlightenment is when the psyche withdraws and the limitlessness of existence remains, the emptiness that is everything. It is not perceived as God, God is something, it is limited.

Exactly, suffering can move you in the direction of the spiritual awakening, but you have to be almost empty of suffering before to move to real opening. It there is still suffering means that you psyche is still too dense, more work is needed. When you are almost empty of suffering, the bubble that limits you is still there, but you can start the serious work, the real opening It's another dimension where it's not you. It's unlimited existence, impersonal. the self cannot imagine it precisely because it is the self. It is the opening of the limits. I would forget things like knowing that you are God, that you are imagining this, etc., and I would focus on letting go of the self. without center, that's the key

The unlimited is not alone, it is impossible, it is another dimension, if you perceive that you are alone, it means that the psyche is still alive.

Ask to Ramana maharshi. Awakening is an evolutionary process and the engine of evolution is suffering. Without suffering and war there would be no complex life, so yes, suffering is the crucible where evolution is forged, and it seems that enlightenment is one of the branches to which human evolution leads. the collective mind creates this and many other things, but suffering does not lead to enlightenment, it only pushes evolution in that direction in some cases. To reach the true emptiness of the psyche, the individual must have stopped suffering a long time ago. I do not suffer much and I am not enlightened, before I suffered a lot mentally and I was zero awake, but that led me to look for a way to stop suffering and after trying several possibilities I oriented myself towards breaking the psyche since I saw clearly that suffering was always going with it. I managed to lighten it by 80%, enough to lead a pleasant life as long as I don't go blind, sick or some shit like that, which is always a possibility. Now the drive does not come from suffering, but from perceiving the immensity, and therefore wanting to delve deeper into it.

Humans suffer, A Guatemalan 17 years old prostitute addicted to crack suffers and is not awake. Humanity is a broth of suffering, a purgatory that is close to hell, but from the outside it seems very beautiful and orderly.

It depends, I bet that our revered 😅waterriver didn't suffer a lot. He would have to be sent to row galleys for a couple of years. Well, I guess he already did it in past lives, like everyone else.

I'd say that the men in black problem in not just lack of meditation but lack of humility, delusions of grandeur, aka narcissism. Getting out of narcissism is a great feat, a very serious wall to break. an armored barrier of thorns. We have to live up to the challenges that are proposed to us, friends, otherwise, shit will swallow us up. It is the rule of life. If you are an animal you are lucky, if you are not up to the task, you die. On the other hand, if you are a human, you are still "alive", which can be what we call "hell"

I'm meditating more and more and using less psychedelics, but reading your description of enlightenment, I would never have aimed for something like that, I don't think that's my path but who knows. my compulsion is to openness, to break barriers, to life. maybe it's the same? Anyway, I prefer not to have ideas in mind, no stages or enlightenments, one barrier at a time, one step each day. There is no goal for me to reach, there is shit that bothers me, and I try to remove it, and it may be that at a given moment it stops bothering me and I stop breaking walls, we'll see. But now another thing appears, the beauty, the glory of existence. It's another motivation, a positive one, I recently changed my push from scaping from the negative to searching the positive. Now I realize how much shit was in me and really wasn't a easy path, but I guess it's like that, often much worse, for most of living beings. Life is hard right? Difficult to understand why it's how it is, but one thing is indubitably: it's fascinating

It's a difficult matter. This whole issue goes beyond controlling thoughts, it is largely a matter of energetic configuration. I bet Sellinwater, if he wants to, can spend a year meditating 6 hours a day before having the slightest opening, but can you? I don't, that's for sure, not even half an hour a day, I can't act for discipline. where do I want to go? to psychedelics. Now I can meditate without a problem, but I had to break patterns with the force of chemistry, and it was hard work, but not disciplined. Without psychedelics, very few people will achieve anything, that's my opinion. psychedelics don't take you to the end but at least they open you up enough to start

@Arthogaan really beautiful lyrics. Deep and very evocative with our topic. I will give their music more opportunities, the first listen it seemed too dense to me, but many times that happens at the beginning

Amazing article

@Water by the River Thinking about it, it is very possible that you are right. There is still one step to take. You break the mind that imagines and reality remains without limit, this reality cannot be broken because it's unlimited, but can be penetrated until its essence, and that is the game now. It does not require effort since it is a process that develops automatically, so we will see.

@Water by the River very interesting. We will see, this thing about the absolute great self within which everything appears is very similar to a 5meo trip. but I always found it limited, something was missing there, that great self had to be broken as well, there should be nothing left. I used chemical dynamite over and over again until I got it, and I saw that that big self was really a limit, there is no self, neither big nor small, there is no something within which things arise by being imagined, there is no god, god is limited. The absolute absence of limits is the source of infinite flow, reality is real, not illusory, it is infinite and cannot not be, all of it is an unimaginable reality in perpetual motion. There is no consciousness, no perceiver, the only god is the absence of limits. But who knows, we will see

let's nuance. For example, recently I can open my mind at will, that is, break the limits and the appearance of the center disappears, reality is perceived as an unlimited well from which colors and shapes flow, if nothing arises, eyes closed, it is unlimited alive, without a center of perception. Regarding suffering, my emotional stability is high without any ups and downs, I can say that there is no suffering or compression in 85% of time. I can say that a year ago I had a good dose of rumination and hatred, even two months ago there was still there. Well, is this being enlightened? I don't think so. There is much more and it is not just seeing aliens. Let's see, at night I often go to the park, any other plan seems infinitely worse to me, so I smoke some weed and meditate among the trees. then something else happens, I look at a tree and see what it really is, it is not realizing that you are infinite, etc , it is seeing power emerge, you see what the tree is and it is monstrous, it is something immeasurable, brutal. Then, at a given moment, you see your body flow, you see how reality is creating itself, its power and its intelligence beyond any possible idea. The mind is absolutely humiliated and withers, volatilizes and is no longer there. Life is flowing, it looks at your face and you look at it and you are it, absolute power passes through you and you realize that you are the cosmos. This is awakening to what reality is, not only realizing that you are infinite, but also realizing its substance, its quality, its power. And it's just the beginning.

I will listen, yeah, I really love Rammstein.

😅😅 Really we are speculating, nobody knows why things are as they are. I would say that reality will stop being a horrible son of a bitch only when it finds a more effective option to move in the direction that its drive demands. It's nothing personal, just business. But if the business demands, let's say, ugly things, there is no limit for them . Kali is always lurking.

Then why to call it God if it's slave of it's nature? It's just the reality

No, it's the power of the life. Do you think that bulls have horns and fight to the death for females because they are unconscious? It is the intelligence of reality that has created that design. the same thing that has created the drive for war, murder and conquest in the Hunans. Where has there been a peaceful human group? yin and yang, and the yin is deep, dark and laughs with its sharp-fanged mouth while witnessing the impalement of children in front of their parents.

It's simple, You are in the tribe, hunting to avoid dying of hunger and stuff, and every time you see that girl something deep inside you says that she is for you, to perpetuate your lineage, the cosmos screams at you, fuck her. But there's this other guy, she's smiling at him now. the cosmos screams at you: kill, kill with pain, destroy him and scream with joy when you see him trying to pick up his guts from the ground. Thats the design of reality, what to do?

The truth is pure intelligence, pure power, is it good? Well, if good is this, ok, it is

If you observe reality you will see that everything is evolutionary, reality copies itself, modifying itself step by step, from bosons to the human brain there are many steps. It would be logical to think that at a metaphysical level there is a similar evolution, that the energetic patterns that constitute the essence of what we are are taken as a mold for a next pattern. How exactly we cannot know, but it seems obvious that each person is born with clear tendencies, defined patterns. It seems plausible that everything is an evolutionary movement, the cosmos moves that way. How does that affect you personally? Well, perhaps more than it seems, many talk about remembering past lives, karmic evolution, etc. We will see it in a few years, or months, or days, or minutes, when the machine stops.