Breakingthewall

Absolute awakening is something extremely simple. Just remove all the structures and that's it. You are what you are, there is nothing that you can do with that. This is nothing misterious, you are that right now. But this doesn't mean at all that you understand the mechanic of the cosmos. Zero. Then the interesting game starts, penetrating, see, open yourself to the abyss ... or not. Maybe you prefer to do anything else

There is an awakening to what you are and that's it. You are what you are, not a different thing every day. It's something definitive, you are that, that's it. Then you can start with the stories about how the trees disappear when you don't look at them and if they are still there, but that is something else, that is seeing deeply, breaking the veils of reality, opening your mind and your heart as much as possible you can, mysticism. Open yourself to the flow of intelligence that reality is, in this there are degrees, and no one will ever reach the full degree, I would say, it is mortal. then there are two things: realizing what you are, what is, existence without any label or structure, and there are no degrees, it is that and if there is structure it is not that, and that's it. and on the other hand open your third eye or whatever that is called

It is necessary to show their enemies, that are a lot, that confronting them has terrible consequences. The other option is abandon the land.

For them is necessary, the same as the Americans saw it necessary to drop two atomic bombs on two Japanese cities.

Well, they are funny only if you are a sarcastic bastard 😅 I would say that more effective than using mockery, which always generates an aggressive response, it is better, as @Water by the River would say, to try to be an empty mirror in which they reflect themselves

There is no subject without object and no object without subject, which means that subject is equivalent to object. There is no perceiver, perception and thing perceived, there is existence. This means that there is no consciousness, there is reality. reality is infinite, therefore it is everything. So, why seems that am I a bubble of perception or consciousness that only perceives a finite phone on which I write? because I'm a limited bubble of reality emergent, which means I limit everything except the phone. This might seem like I am God creating the telephone, but the telephone always existed, the same as everything else, nothing can be created but revealed by being blind to everything else. This moment is complete infinity, but it is perceived as a part, and that part is the telephone. Within this limited bubble there are other infinite limited bubbles perceiving even more restricted limits, and above it there are infinite bubbles perceiving even broader limits, and all of them are, also right now, the non-bubble, the infinite total opening. It could be said that they are all me, but really I am only this one, since the others are different configurations and therefore different self-perception. all are in the end the total unlimited opening, but this is not "I", it is existence. It is neither concrete nor personal nor defined, so I cannot say: I am reality, but rather, when I disappear, the infinitely profound reality manifests itself. We can't know the infinite depth, but we can open ourselves to it's quality, that is our quality.

It is normal, children are happy by default, unless you seriously mistreat them or isolate them, they live in the pure present and are happy, the same as a chimpanzee or a sardine, but the human mind has other plans that are not just running through the jungle and fucking, it wants to build a collective entity that functions as a single being so he can make things like nuclear reactors and such. To do this, all the pieces must fit into the machinery, so after a happy childhood, the vacations are over and military service begins. To make the individual do what he has to do, the pressure mechanisms must be impossible to ignore. The tide is irresistible and at one point you will be a slave to the matrix, without freedom, full of insecurities and quite bitter. What they call enlightenment is to go through this necessary stage and return to the pure state of the child, integrating the psyche of the adult educated and subjected to the matrix, but respecting the matrix, serving it consciously. This is not mysticism, it is enlightenment. Before enlightenment mysticism is possible but it is confusing and problematic. After enlightenment is when mysticism can deepen, or not. There are enlightened ones that are not mystical, and others that are. mysticism is the opening to the living essence of reality.

Don't worries, always a pleasure to talk with you, and sorry for being, let's see...a mirror 😅. All of us need one.

You are wrong, reality can be understood. Always with the limitation of that reality is unlimited, so the only understanding is that reality is unlimited, but you can understand is some extent what unlimited means, and over all, you can open yourself to it. That is the thing, totally real Infinity is absolutely right, so finite is absolutely wrong. You can think I'm a clown if that make you happy, but maybe I'm in the real thing . Just a possibility

Sure, but the problem is when the description is absolutely wrong, like: you are dreaming reality, deceiving yourself, and suffering is created to make an immersive experience. It's like you're saying: reality is Shiva's hand grabbing Vishnu's penis while they dance a tango. So someone answers and says: wtf? someone who has had some real perception of what infinity is

Of course, I don't offend at all, I just get bit, let's say, desperate, reading categorical statements about the infinite defining it as finite. You can tell me whatever you want, that I'm deceived, overturn my statements, etc., but perhaps also admit a minimum percentage of correctness

A movie is real since that the electrons that flow across the screen are real and infinite, and the actors who made it were real and infinite, history is irrelevant. The history doesn't matter at all, it's just meaning, reality is not meaning, is life, or better, reality. Because it isn't an illusion, everything is synchronized and connected. Illusion is just the meaning that we give due our social learning Where did you learn that history? Interesting belief, but there is no controller, it would be a limitation, reality itself is a whole , there is not a puppeteer. Reality is not created, since reality is the existence. A cause effect deduction about the absolute. Learned, and very limited. A stone doesn't suffer and exist. Suffering is just a life evolutionary tool.

It's easy to perceive when their message is concrete, finite, they are totally sure of their vision of the reality , that is concrete, they proclaim that they are god and they can access to the god mode but then they can do something so simple as create an universe or even fly, when they haven't original points but they are attached to the tradition, when they are show need to have arrived, etc etc. In short, 99,99999% of the cases, or better 100%

@Water by the River When you say that reality is happening within you, the limitation becomes absolutely obvious. In infinity there is no inside, there cannot be, it would be a limit. don't you understand? When you say a movie is not real, you mean a finite movie. An infinite film contains the total infinity in it, therefore it is the living source of reality. Have you ever opened yourself to the living source? to total intelligence? This is mystical opening, you fall to your knees, cry, say hallelujah and that, but you need to really give yourself. and you realize that your being is veiled for a reason, you would burn, you would die and you would become volatilized. It is the opening of your being, which I speak about and you do not understand and respond: you do that with psychedelics because you are not enlightened and that is why you have fluctuating states. You do not understand the force of reality, for you it is a hologram, you see in 2 dimensions. It's not like that, I guarantee it. Leo comes closer when he says that reality is love. reality is infinite life, infinite power, total joy. open yourself to it and see. But to do it first you have to drop the self into the void, completely, that self that is still strong and hard, the veil, the door that closes.

Yes , I understand you but I see some big flaws in all this. Some basic flaws, spiritual toxicity, dogma. But maybe it's just my perception . I'm waiting for the Leo 2,0 .

That state of being, silent mind, is obvious and all the humans should be there. It's the end of the mental shit, when a human is at the end complete, flowing free, positive, strong. Everything else is sickness. But this doesn't mean that you know a shit about anything, it just mean that you deeply know that you are and what it means. You perceive the flow, the reality that you are. Nothing about creation, god, imaginary reality, etc. But then the real exploration with psychedelic can start.

People is obsessed with god because they need religion to feel balanced, same than humans of all times

The enlightened people use the term enlightenment like knowing what you are, eliminate all mental labels and stay with the essence, with what it is. then you realize that reality is immutable in a sense: it is. that being is reality. Well, you have already settled into the being and then the mind is silent because it has nothing to say about this, there is nothing to say. but then the enlightened guys start saying things like: reality is imaginary, you're dreaming it. I bet they say it because they have read or heard it, tradition. You can be enlightened, that is, outside the logical mind, completely in being, and at the same time be very superficial. I would say Peter Ralston, for me from what I have read, Adyashanty, and many more. You can also know the Buddhist tradition and be suggested by it and begin to create concepts such as reincarnation, etc., without really perceiving anything of it. In short, enlightenment and depth are two different things. I would say that Jesus Christ was enlightened and profound for example, but of the current spiritual writers, are extremely superficial, (well, at least since I know) and they copy from tradition and other writers. enlightened plus psychedelics, that's the combo. Let's see what happens, it there appears people who really go deep

Exactly, well said. At the end the non dualistics enlightened are creating duality all time. The word illusion should be eliminated, same than dreamer.

You stop searching because you already are there, but you star to go deeper . your will changes direction, instead of looking forward look inward. That's why I say that what you are is veiled. Yes, ok, you know what you are, but you cannot penetrate in what you are. This does not mean that you want to see all the aliens and all the multiverses but rather be open to the creative flow, to living intelligence as much as possible. and I would say that this will always be limited in part because the fact of being a concrete structure of existence entails limitation. without limitation is death.

If you want to avoid dualities it's easy: reality is real.

Yes but the atoms are full of intelligence. Then even they seem empty, are full. You could say: yes but the intelligence is the true being, that it's emptiness, so at the end the flower is empty. But the true being is full of being, that is, reality , so at the end the flower is real and infinite, like everything.

@Water by the River think about this: dreamer and dream involves two categories, and also an act of creation. An act of creation implies choice. let's say that the true being says: oh, I'm bored and I'm going to create a pedophile schizophrenic murderer of old women. Yes, I think it's an excellent idea, let's go there. then he gets to work and creates it. The schizophrenic is illusory, a creation, a hologram as you say, and the true being, who has fun with his nice games, is real. This has a clear inherent quality: finitude, the limit between what is real and the imaginary, the limit between what you decide to create and what you do not. This is a mistake, it is impossible. The schizophrenic is not created, but arises spontaneously and inevitably due to the incontestable fact of the absence of limits aka infinity. The schizophrenic is the complete infinite and at the same time a part, it cannot not arise, the cosmos arises without being created since otherwise there would have been a moment without cosmos and then the cosmos, again limitation and finitude. the manifest is absolute, just like the essential.

Then, why do you say that intelligence is an illusion, or life is an illusion? Everything that exist is real because it's the reality. Then you are saying: you are right, about our last conversation. If the true being is infinite, everything is true being, so same real that the true being. There is not dreamer and dream, because if the true being is infinite, all changes have to be necessarily, it's impossible not to be for them ,so the true being could be immutable in it's essence, but always in mutation in it's quality, then mutation, or cosmos, is absolute Who said that psychedelic are the only way? Psychedelics are very necessary for me to break some barrier, but meditation has to happen 24/7 in background and a couple or hours if it's possible in formal meditation. But psychedelic open yourself (yes, I know what do you think about "opening", unreal since isn't stable) to the alive faccet of the infinity, to the infinite intelligence, that, as you admit above, is inherent to the true being.

I was thinking about enlightenment. I would say that enlightenment, as it is assumed to be in the spiritual tradition, is the realization of what you are as an immutable being. This is the beginning of beauty in experience, the end of the search. the being now. but I think they make a mistake that I cannot understand when they say that what changes is secondary, accidental, even imaginary. I think they are deeply wrong, but who knows? ralston, adyashanty, sellig water in the river, enlightened people think that realizing the absolute being is the end of the road, when what is interesting is realizing that what is the absolute being, its quality, its living essence that drives incessant change , intelligence and life that are as absolute as the fact of being. But let's see