Breakingthewall

It's something that happens little by little, every day a bit more, one day a moment, another day more, a path that is becoming wider. There is not a liberation that happens and you are free, are thousands of liberation that are becoming more normal,clearing the residue of attachment. It is something very difficult, it requires a very clear intuition. Who is totally free of his limits all time? Sure there are people, but I don't know anyone, those gurus that are famous, I'd say no one of them Yes , always saying that, but you are closed in a mental bubble, what we are trying to do is breaking that bubble, its something real. It's not the same closed Bubble that openenss.

No way! we are sharpening our mind so that it cuts like a razor blade. Don't you hear how it sharpens? every moment a little sharper, until it can cut the reality

Well, all revolutions were made more or less like this, and all had a role in human evolution. In humanity nothing ever happens without being surrounded by shit

@Javfly33 As an example, the autobiographical book Storms of Steel. The guy spent 4 years in the First World War and he thought it was something sublime. He was in the Battle of the Somme, where on the first day there were 100,000 casualties, and it seemed like pure poetry to him. He was wounded 11 times, then became friends with Hoffman and became a pioneer of psychedelics, Junger, died at 103 years old.

There is no truth because there is not lie, there are different perspectives, and over all limited perspective vs unlimited perspective. What you can't do is have an unlimited perspective from a limited perspective, you could try, but it's useless

All that is true if you are operating in a limited, separated way. If you are open, there is not external and internal, nothing has a price because that price would be part of the existence, everything is an expression of yourself as reality. It's the same meditating or talk with someone, everything is the infinity flowing in itself. Liberate from what? You still have to breath and eat, and have coats in winter and a place where sleep, the only that you would get is depending from less "external" things, but still there are, then, why not to have more?

I think that life is mystic. Ashram or anything is the same. And it's the same psychedelics and sober, the distinction between external and internal is mental, when you open yourself there is not external, psychedelic are internal, same than everything else. There are a lot of things great in the limited, like friendship, love, adventure, risk, fight ,sex, the blue sky and she open sea. The point is taste the unlimited so many times until you see that the limited is unlimited.

The problem is that who wants to forget the self is the self. Difficult, it's like little by little file the bars of your prison, but you are the prison. At some point you realize that the act of filing makes the bars thicker. It is a difficult art, fine intuition is required

I never talked about god, not even once, I'm absolute sure that god is just an idea. For me the thing is not a realization, is an openess. In a given moment all your mental barriers are dissolved and you are open to your true nature, the absolute reality. You can't think in it or remember it, it's a real thing, not an idea. Then, if the next day the barriers are up again, you are closed. You could conceptualize the openess, but you are still close. The only thing that you could do is try to be open again. Intelligence is needed to understand what closes, what are the mental barriers. It's a subtle thing. Not for me, for me the point is be open to the absolute unlimited. Outside or inside means nothing. As time progresses and openness becomes something more normal for you, you are all the time in a state of certain openness, you perceive yourself as existence and you do not fall into the traps of the self all the time, but this does not mean that If tomorrow they tell you that you have stage 3 melanoma, it doesn't matter to you. You are walking between two lands, one the absolute, the other the relative. You can shift from one to the other at any time. If you enter a dense mental loop, you will be in it, it does not matter if half an hour before you were completely open. The longer the time of opening, the more your psyche gets used to the mental frequency necessary to be open to the absolute, and the easier it is to be in it, but it is not something permanent that happens for a moment and you are always there. I guess that it's possible that in a given moment you are almost always open to the absolute. It's depends in certain extent in your focus. If you are interested in worldly things it's more difficult, but for me worldly things are interesting. Why not to enjoy them? There would be time to be a total mystic, or maybe no, it's not necessary. The thing for me is walk in a intermedium point. It's very challenging, like a game, you have to be subtle, sharp your understanding to the maximum.

I'm not sure, you can meditate and be totally open to yourself a while but after you could enjoy of the external things. Really, nothing is external, everything is the reality, then there are many things that you could like, see the beauty in nature, do any sport, do business, have sex, communicate with people , etc. the point is not doing as a drug because you need just because you like. You could like DMT , or anything else. I guess that if you shift to the absolute more and more and for you is the main reality and the form has less importance, you would be less and less interested in the "external", but for me a balance is better I mean that in comparison with infinity it's the same to know your 750 past lives as sadhguru or knowing what you dinner yesterday

Reality is happening, is not taking it seriously or not seriously because it's not anyone. Osho identifies the reality with someone or something who plays, then he don't understand what reality is. I think it's a big difference, but anyway, maybe he means anything else

@Princess Arabia @bambiits the moment of the trial by combat. Only one can be right: who survives

For example, me in some moments I fished with a harpoon snorkeling, then I would get into the water, and I would do the " bad" during some hours. I tried to show no mercy, since it seemed like I should, but I really didn't like the feeling at all. I liked the search, the hunt, but I didn't like the act of killing at all, in fact it seemed miserable and disgusting to me. It was definitely "bad". I really feel those fishes as brothers, but even that I killed them , because if not I should be vegetarian , and Im not.

Just trying to understand if really something could be defined as bad. Let's say that bad would be when you go against other will. If anything has will of survive and you kill, you are acting "bad", of is has will to be free and you enjail, etc. Then in relationship with other being with will you could be bad, and there is no good in deep, you are "bad", and being bad is power, because you are exercising power over others. In human society they try to make this disappear, but there is a lot of "bad", and in the past were basically everything bad. Just power relationships

But then, everything that has form and wants to live is "bad", because it's selfish. Then it's going to kill if it's necessary. But that doesn't mean that's bad, bad is just a human concept that comes from the idea of what we don't like that happens to us. Bad is anything that we don't like, good, what we like. Destroy seems bad, because we don't want be destroyed. Then we perceive as bad anything that is destructive, and if it's something that has an ego who "knows" what's is bad and good, it's evil, bad and intentionally bad....but the thing is that bad is just an idea

If the reality is formless is beyond good and bad, it's good is the sense that nothing bad could happen, same than the stone, is good because can't be bad, then "good" really means nothing. Then yes, everything is good. Something could appears as bad, even it's good is essence, because good is just absence of "bad"

Also could be said that this person is just hate. Absence of love, a hole of negativity. Then, commit suicide because that. There are millions. It's a dark reality.

Why no selfish is good? Is a stone good? Is not selfish, but good? In what sense?

There is people self destructive who hates themselves. You could say that they are "sick", that they shouldn't be like that, but the fact is that they exist.

Anyway, is reality playing, as Osho said? It's just happening because is unlimited. It's just existing, and existing is this. Playing implies desire. Desire ties you in the self. The absolute glory of reality is less than playing, it's nothing, just existing. Then it's infinitely more, it's everything. Then Osho probably is closed to the absolute . Or maybe he means that playing is just existing? Could be, but seems that playing is something that the self does

Yes, and maybe a quite wide openness full time. being open to the reality is something that at first 3 seconds is very challenging, then little by little is getting easier. Maybe in some point you are absolutely open full time.

Almost nobody wants enlightenment, because for that you have to pass through the absolute nihilism. After the absolute nihilism absolute existence opens itself, but first you have to drop everything. You can't pass through the door with any single milligram of self. God, creation, intention, evolution , purpose, are self. Are too tempting to drop them, the self always want keep a bit of each one.

From their perspective was good, because for the gene is good . For them it strengthens the energy of the tribe, always in danger of death, and weakens the energy of the adversaries. For the gene, all others are enemies, the strong live, the weak die, that is the only law. Now the gene does not have that priority since its path is not tribal struggle, so what seemed good before is now horrible.

Exactly, at the end enlightenment is just something relative, from an absolute perspective it's exactly the same, it's just something that we do to have a better experience, but we are (as you use to say) absolutely nothing, just an appearance

@KoryKatagree in many things but I don't agree In two things that are one: Infinity can't be linear in the sense of a linear movement, because this movement is already done infinitely. Then any movement must be cyclical because it's not real movement, it's a circle that ends in the same point where it begun Same. Not evolution can be real, in infinity there are not points, then the beginning and the end are the same, no real movement. If you think that there is evolution, the door is closed. Seems banal, but it's essential. It's extremely counterintuitive because it is exactly the opposite direction of ego functioning, but it is necessary to see it