Breakingthewall

The only possibility of suicide that I consider legitimate is the case of a terminal illness that places a burden on you and other people. There you have to be brave and speed up the process. In any other case, I see it absolutely wrong. You have to fight while you can.

That's no my way. I have never adapted nor will I adapt to anything organized, to any system, teaching, ancient practice, it is absolutely impossible. My path is different, and it is absolutely clear and without the slightest doubt, which has its advantages, and disadvantages. Of course, I don't claim that it's the only possible path, others totally different are absolutely legit , but for other people. Each person has very different structures, then it's nonsense trying to homogenize spirituality or anything else

Maybe you don't understand what is sought with drug use. There are people who seek the dissolution of barriers very seriously, they perceive it as what they have to do in this life. So, practicing meditation for several hours each day, you perceive insurmountable barriers, energetic walls of your structure, and you perceive that there are substances that weaken them, so you use them and that's it. It is not about seeking bliss or well-being, it is about seeking the breaking down of barriers, a step that is perceived as absolutely necessary, the same as other people have perceived art, war, or anything else as necessary. It is a push of life, not a personal choice

You speak from unfounded prejudice. The use of substances for evasion is not the same as for deepening and dissolving. One person is not the same as another, one circumstance or another. For example, Ram Dass, a writer of spirituality of the highest level, was a defender of the use of LSD, mystics have used natural psychedelics since human beings have existed. at a given moment external and internal are the same. We all depend on the "external", without food you die. Is that disempowering? Without an open mind, spirituality becomes religion.

Be careful, maybe you will become a gossiping brother-in-law who is scandalized by non-normative people 😅. I understand that for you things must be exactly in a way, the right clothes, the right job, maybe go to church on Sundays, etc, but there is another option: go beyond the appearance and focus on the essence

@Shodburrito You can polish your mind with meditation until it is completely quiet, even to absolute emptiness, and by doing this, in some cases reality opens up and its absolute essence is revealed. This is not something thinkable, nor even rememberable, it is what manifests itself when you transcend the relative

It is impossible to remember the absolute because memories are relative, but a memory can facilitate new openings. the absolute is without mind, that is the problem, the door without a door, since you are the door. It becomes increasingly clear to me that the psyche must be polished in a very fine, gradual way, with many hours of meditation each day, to tame the tiger so that it knows how to move away at will. The psyche is a tenacious beast, it's like the Alien 8 larva that sticks to your face, you're not going to forcibly remove it, it has to be little by little, day by day, minute by minute

Sure, but this is a forum for spirituality and Spirituality is the path of enlightenment, of opening to your true nature, and it is a mysterious path, traveled by extremely few people. Then, only your intuition is the guide, so it's normal that many get stuck or wrong, it's part of the path

From what you say, I guess your goal is liberation, getting out of the psyche. This is like a chain reaction that must be started, imo psychedelics are essential in most cases. artificially breaking the barriers of the psyche over and over again makes them weaker, that is when meditation is effective, it allows self-observation of mental processes in a profound way, and the mind begins to expand and clarify. Imo the negativity that is in you is the impulse to break the chains. Without that, the jail is comfortable enough and the sight will always point outwards

Just a bit of mental theory: probably the issue is cosmic cycles. the infinite, given its infinity, must be unstable by nature. It cannot remain still, since it flows on itself infinitely. From what we can see, everything is cyclical, everything is born and dies, including this universe, and probably the entire cosmos. Once on a psychedelic trip I perceived each cosmic cycle as a breath of infinity. This obviously doesn't mean anything, it doesn't prove that reality is like this, just an anecdote. Then, the cosmos begins its cycle in total division and is unified in infinite cycles that combine with each other, creating more complex cycles that go deeper into themselves. This entails necessary steps of transition, crisis, rupture, suffering and change, metamorphosis to create the next cycle, more conscious of itself and less fragmented

Good point to begin to forget the searching of external satisfaction and really focusing in the interior, so starting serious meditation practice. I'd say that mostly of us who got serious in this was due desperation

Yes ,it's as you said. The problem for me is that there is no middle ground. Either I'm in the psyche or I'm not. Being outside is an extremely delicate balance, in the end it absorbs you again. To be outside the psyche, from suffering, is to abandon the self. It is an act that is done or not, it cannot be done in part, little by little. It is total and immediate. For me it is still an enigma how this process works, but it is a total change in frequency, you are a different person. then going back to the person with a psyche is disgusting. you become absolutely intolerant to the suffering you have constantly lived with. In some cases it's very difficult to clean your karma, a real challenge, but I'd say that when you really start, some guidance appears, life flows in that direction

Does your mind flow unhindered? Is your heart open without protective barriers? Is your being capable of surrendering to the abyss of existence and letting go of control? Right behind your eyes, is there something that oppresses, that controls, that squeezes? Is your mind spinning, grasping at ideas, needing to see itself on a timeline, creating a self-image based on comparison? In a moment, just temporarily, a few minutes, you can let go of all that completely, let go of the self and allow it to dissolve, in the reality, in the now. Open your heart to this experience, truly see that everything is perfect. let go of judgment, sadness and lack. smile into the abyss's face, without fear, and merge with it, be one with it. just for a while, a moment. Anything else is very difficult, there is tons of tension, the need for control and survival. We can see them, understand their need and for a moment let go of them. up to what point? that's the question. not wanting anything, not fearing anything, just merging with reality. this is spiritual work, not something to think or understand but to do. How many of us would get it really until the bottom? Maybe no one. Who could transcend the mind? As I write these words it is night and an old man, bent over, homeless, sick, absolutely alone, passes in front of me pushing a child's cart with his things, slowly step by step. Do us open our heart to be him? Do you open our heart to the immeasurable pain of beings without evading it by telling ourself that it is a dream, but rather opening our soul without fear to the suffering? Forgetting the difference between good and bad ,trascending it? There are no shortcuts, there is only one path: openness to reality. Then, even for some minutes, you can breath free, and be one with the unfathomable. But of course, until what point? Always a bit of resistance. Little by little, day by day, see it, the mental flow, the control, and observe it having the will of totally dissolving oneself in the flow, in the unlimited. Surrender the self, that's the thing. Because everyone who wants to save his life will lose it; and everyone who loses his life for my sake will find it.

Infinity means that the part and the whole are the same. You don't need to die to become the ocean, the ocean is now.

agree. if you focus totally on this moment, you will see that all that before you are born and when you die is a mental construction. what there is is existence. What was there before I was born? Simply, the same as now, existence, for the reason you have said, the limits at this moment are non-existence, and that does not exist, therefore there are no limits. This moment is unlimited. Things are happening in it, like memories. It could be a flat moment without memories, if you were an amoeba for example, and it would still be the same, existence without limit. The content is relative, the essence is absolute. That is what you are, existence, not what appears in existence. To meditate is to fully identify with existence and disidentify with what appears. obviously it is not easy because the inertia is the opposite, it is an interesting game, a challenge

Why? Rather the other way around, the purer your mind is, the more efficient your action will be.

The only way to understand reality is the absolute emptiness of the mind, so there is no contradiction. everything else are mental stories. Do not underestimate how addictive the mind is and the pendulum or rebound effect that entering the void will cause. From the void everything is perceived as it is, but the mind is a beast on the prowl, as soon as it finds a gap, it will return with all its artillery. It is hard work, without the slightest doubt, but this is not a game, it is evolution, and evolution is ruthless

Solipsism is true from an absolute perspective and false from a relative perspective.

In other words, the separation is illusory. The people you see on the street are not separate from you, they are the absolute, like you. Separation and form are appearance, but appearances occur. I am not imagining the people on the street because I am an appearance that occurs in the absolute, and so are they. We are all one, and our forms burst like a soap bubble revealing apparent, but apparently, infinite perspectives of infinity are taking place.

Solipsism is wrong because it implies that linear time is real. That is to say, that the entirety of existence is me typing on my phone now, and that later it will be something else and before it was something else, since it cannot be two things at the same time, it has to be one thing after another. That's wrong, limited. Solipsism is real in the sense that if you completely leave the relative and place yourself in the absolute, there is only that, but there are infinite relatives at the same time because time is a relative creation, it is not absolute, the absolute is timeless, The relative is temporal, so there are infinite simultaneous temporal experiences, which can be revealed as illusory, but as illusions they are separate.

@Ishanga I think that sadhguru is a mystic and Osho a philosopher. He understands very well the theory, is very smart, but he's closed in the shell of his human self. That's just a personal perception, but what else we have?

Just my opinion. I think he's a liar , I perceive the lie in every word he says, the seduction I think sadhguru and Osho are very different. Sadhguru could be authentic, although when it comes to humans, there are always doubts. lies have many layers Maybe some here In addition to talking they do serious practices

In my humble opinion, Osho is lying. Little lies mixed with truths. No meditation method is going to make you transcend your human nature, it is something much more complex than a method, it is a movement of karma unique in each case. Btw, when Osho was in prison for a few months, he suffered more than average. I see in him the seller, like evil attitude, seduction.

Exactly, but it's extremely difficult. As humans and evolutionary social beings we are deeply programmed for preference. and the primary preference is to live rather than die. Any mental exercise is violence and doomed to failure if it is not based on a real human transcendence. The human will always be a prisoner of the psyche, to leave the psyche you have to take a step back and identify with existence. And even then, the pendulum is going to move again and again. Then the effort has to be constant and deliberate to observe your suffering without evasion, because the psyche is always suffering. The human nature is very uncomfortable, a movement of reality to promote the most efficient evolutionary movement possible.

To be free is to leave the psyche. Once it is achieved, it seems very simple and obvious, then you are back inside and in a very difficult to solve maze. The psyche is a strange mechanism, a kind of evolutionary parasite that permeates your energetic structure and makes your mind operate in loop mode. It is impossible to get out of the psyche just by suggesting it, since it has many anchor points. you have to work on them, eroding them little by little, then there comes a time when sometimes, for short intervals, you leave the psyche, and the mind becomes clear and limitless. Any thought about yourself starts the loop of the psyche, and that mental flow begins to branch out and in a moment you are ruminating, giving energy to the psyche to continue with its inertia. Once you leave the psyche and see it from the outside without its emotional charge, it seems ridiculous, a dead mask. but when it catches you again, it is very alive. It doesn't stop spinning around itself and it contracts your heart and mind. the psyche is greedy and miserable. It is a disgusting companion, a slimy parasite. It sticks to your face and presses it, like a closed fist behind your eyes, oppressive. All your emotionally charged memories, good or bad, are psyche. any self-referential identity and thought that is given importance, any self-valuation, any thought or emotion of dependence, of not being complete without something. Releasing the psyche means opening the present moment, removing its limits. being empty of psyche, therefore full of existence. existence is this, now, not the protections of the psyche. Freedom is also here and now, not at some other point, since there is only this point: now. The greedy psyche, with all its evaluations, it's sadness, has to be seen as unreal, a software that has the mission of trapping you, imprisoning you. It is the product of life in human society that has evolved over thousands and thousands of years. There are thousands of generations trapped in that structure, giving life to it. Humans and psyche always are together. There are people who seem to be very happy with their positive psyche, but they are also trapped. At least in a comfortable cell, but it is a cell. There is only one freedom, letting it fall, emptying the mind of psyche. quite a challenge. If the psyche falls, the reality manifests clean and unlimited, but it's like a pendulum, disappears and comes back. The point is to choose the absence of psyche firmly. I would say that it has an important component of will, not just realization.