Breakingthewall

Btw, thanks friends What you say is exactly the same as saying that everything is real and exists now, and that there are infinite bubbles that really exist, since they are all the living infinite, it is absolutely real, so whatever form it takes, that is, all of them, They are absolutely real and alive. Division don't make the infinity less alive or less real. Everything is infinite and exist, contain the whole infinity in itself

@Water by the River Everything I have said are ideas that really, I don't know if they make sense. What is absolutely real is what I just experienced now with 1 hit of weed and meditation: I have looked into the face of the abyss, and in a moment, I was the abyss. the total living infinity. It is and that's it, what does it matter what arises? absolutely nothing, it is completely irrelevant, what matters is that I am the living infinite existence. That's it, there's nothing more to know, nothing else has any importance

Then you are imagining the others, trees and humans, and only you exist🤔🤔 Let's see, how I see it in open states (don't believe me, because who talks is the memory, the mind,) is that what I am is a bubble of limited perception. if this bubble is momentarily broken, gets open, and there are degrees of that dissolution, then I stop being limited, until encompass everything, but to certain extent because you are what you are and you can't dissapear until you die. In that moment I cannot see trees nor do I know my name, I am not a person. , I am total, absolute depth, where everything is. This state cannot be maintained, you cannot walk or do anything, you have no body, it is a momentary dissolution. this absolute depth is both empty and full. It is empty because its infinite amplitude makes anything zero when it expands in it, but it is full since everything emerges automatically and inevitably from its absence of limits. Infinite bubbles emerge and being infinite, and they are all perfectly synchronized. This is what you really are and it is total, absolute, unstoppable. This state is total fluidity, you burn, you cannot maintain it, you disintegrate, it is carcinogenic or something like that. then the bubble returns. All infinity is contained within the bubble, but also outside the bubble since being a bubble implies being blind to what you do not see. It's not that the things are real when you perceive, it's that everything is veiled except what you can perceive. everything exists now, all the trees, which are infinite, are real, but your perception is finite. If you saw them all at same time, you would see the total emptiness that is full of existence that everything is, the absolute life that arises from the absence of limits. All the others, infinite others, are inside your bubble now, but you cannot perceive them, and you are inside their bubble, the infinite is inside and outside at the same time, one and multiple, bubble and totality. If the doors of perception open a bit, there are no limits but you remain the bubble, the emergent of existence in permanent synchronized movement that you are, until you die and your bubble of perception disappears and you are the empty whole and all the bubbles at the same time, and only a new bubble too. Infinity is incomprehensible, but it is real, nothing can not be, everything is real energy configurations, regardless of whether you perceive them, they are perceived. So what is awakened state for me? Perceive the flow, the intelligence that this moment is, the alive depth. I am totally wrong in my cosmovisión? It's extremely very possible, but the reality is that I feel the power and the intelligence all time and fills me of joy and power, so who cares about what reality is? The only important thing is be open to life, to the intelligence . It's a bottomless well from the glory arises, so the more wise is to turn off the mind and open the heart and be filled by the power . But in the background, sometimes more, sometimes less, I perceive the unlimited cosmos in its endless rotation. All this is subjective, it's stupid for me to be categorical, who knows anything? only one thing is certain, you are the flow of existence, open yourself to it and there are no more stories

This quote is that make me think about limitation. Maybe I'm wrong, but it cannot be an illusion, infinity by definition is everything, there is nothing that can be manifested or imagined, there is no field of consciousness where the imagined reality appears because consciousness implies separation between the one who is conscious and the object of the that being conscious, there is only the object, that same time is subject, which exists and existing is synonymous with consciousness. That quote is true in the sense that everything is the same: existence. Doesn't matter what appears, everything is just existence, but it's real Well, sorry for questioning your words before but it is necessary to avoid falling into dogma, perhaps they are true but for me they are limiting and any limit is perceived as a trap, toxicity. But anyway, your exposition is brilliant and profound, I am sorry for attacking what I have seen as false but it is a matter of instinct. Maybe in the future I'll think: this guy was completely right How can it be known? Where do you know people who is seriously interested in this? Would be interesting

I don't read spirituality at all, it's all toxic, just ideas that probably are wrong. Look, if there is no self, there is no limits, and in the absence of limits everything is, including the others. With his own conciousness, and the absence of others, do you understand? No because you can't understand the infinity making it finite. No others is finite. One is finite. Many is finite. The mind is finite, just drop the mind, turn off any meaning

@Water by the River I perceive some....how to say ... limitation. Let's see, i have let the self fall into the void absolutely and totally many times and the infinite has been obvious. There is no "alone" or "only" because everything is in infinity and there is no center, it is not me, the self is like an illusion created by perception, but the thing is that there is perception so there is self, reality it is an ocean that has no limit and that turns any "something" into nothing, since it is everything, including the self. This is not one, it is not unity, and above all and most importantly: there is no creation, nothing can be created, I am not God imagining anything, imagining is a process of creation and there can be no creation since everything is always, what What there is is movement of infinity, an impersonal kaleidoscope that moves cyclically and eternally. Maybe people who are in stage 5 are still limited? because for me there is something clear, I do not believe anything or anyone. I take everything with 2 kg of salt, anecdotal. There is a possibility that no one, ever, has been enlightened. Forget for a moment the stages, reality is not that square, no science can contain this that we are trying to open . Look, this of: I'm not anymore the avatar, I am the field of consciousness where the avatar is happening, like an illusion, is still limited, is still self.

as always solipsism. god alone, isolated. center, me. the last door, that of the void. If the self falls, there is no loneliness, then from the unfathomable abyss flows….everything. Hallelujah, the glass is full, everything, absolutely everything, without limit. then you wake up crying and scream: yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssss and you dance.

Sometimes it appears the same again and again

@Water by the River According to your publication about enlightenment, it seems that for you, you are god imagining reality, the past, the human avatar...how would you nuance this? Because this is very close to solipsism

If there isn't self, there is not the idea of oneness or others, you can't say there are no others, just unlimited is. Others are out of the equation, even if they exist or not. Others doesn't matter. Look, the others exist right? You can see them now, you are talking with people, so you could deduct that then infinite splits infinitely, so inside you there is infinite and inside me too, inside and outside are the same, it's infinity, another rules.

According with @Water by the River it's a kind of oneness, I don't know, not for me, for me its just unlimited and impersonal, alive existence. One means center, and it's the opposite of many, unlimited is beyond one and many, it could be both. But maybe one day i see it totally different, maybe you too

Well, I think that god realization is not enlightenment, god realization is the psyche opening to divinity. Enlightenment is when the psyche withdraws and the limitlessness of existence remains, the emptiness that is everything. It is not perceived as God, God is something, it is limited.

Exactly, suffering can move you in the direction of the spiritual awakening, but you have to be almost empty of suffering before to move to real opening. It there is still suffering means that you psyche is still too dense, more work is needed. When you are almost empty of suffering, the bubble that limits you is still there, but you can start the serious work, the real opening It's another dimension where it's not you. It's unlimited existence, impersonal. the self cannot imagine it precisely because it is the self. It is the opening of the limits. I would forget things like knowing that you are God, that you are imagining this, etc., and I would focus on letting go of the self. without center, that's the key

The unlimited is not alone, it is impossible, it is another dimension, if you perceive that you are alone, it means that the psyche is still alive.

Ask to Ramana maharshi. Awakening is an evolutionary process and the engine of evolution is suffering. Without suffering and war there would be no complex life, so yes, suffering is the crucible where evolution is forged, and it seems that enlightenment is one of the branches to which human evolution leads. the collective mind creates this and many other things, but suffering does not lead to enlightenment, it only pushes evolution in that direction in some cases. To reach the true emptiness of the psyche, the individual must have stopped suffering a long time ago. I do not suffer much and I am not enlightened, before I suffered a lot mentally and I was zero awake, but that led me to look for a way to stop suffering and after trying several possibilities I oriented myself towards breaking the psyche since I saw clearly that suffering was always going with it. I managed to lighten it by 80%, enough to lead a pleasant life as long as I don't go blind, sick or some shit like that, which is always a possibility. Now the drive does not come from suffering, but from perceiving the immensity, and therefore wanting to delve deeper into it.

Humans suffer, A Guatemalan 17 years old prostitute addicted to crack suffers and is not awake. Humanity is a broth of suffering, a purgatory that is close to hell, but from the outside it seems very beautiful and orderly.

It depends, I bet that our revered 😅waterriver didn't suffer a lot. He would have to be sent to row galleys for a couple of years. Well, I guess he already did it in past lives, like everyone else.

I'd say that the men in black problem in not just lack of meditation but lack of humility, delusions of grandeur, aka narcissism. Getting out of narcissism is a great feat, a very serious wall to break. an armored barrier of thorns. We have to live up to the challenges that are proposed to us, friends, otherwise, shit will swallow us up. It is the rule of life. If you are an animal you are lucky, if you are not up to the task, you die. On the other hand, if you are a human, you are still "alive", which can be what we call "hell"

I'm meditating more and more and using less psychedelics, but reading your description of enlightenment, I would never have aimed for something like that, I don't think that's my path but who knows. my compulsion is to openness, to break barriers, to life. maybe it's the same? Anyway, I prefer not to have ideas in mind, no stages or enlightenments, one barrier at a time, one step each day. There is no goal for me to reach, there is shit that bothers me, and I try to remove it, and it may be that at a given moment it stops bothering me and I stop breaking walls, we'll see. But now another thing appears, the beauty, the glory of existence. It's another motivation, a positive one, I recently changed my push from scaping from the negative to searching the positive. Now I realize how much shit was in me and really wasn't a easy path, but I guess it's like that, often much worse, for most of living beings. Life is hard right? Difficult to understand why it's how it is, but one thing is indubitably: it's fascinating

It's a difficult matter. This whole issue goes beyond controlling thoughts, it is largely a matter of energetic configuration. I bet Sellinwater, if he wants to, can spend a year meditating 6 hours a day before having the slightest opening, but can you? I don't, that's for sure, not even half an hour a day, I can't act for discipline. where do I want to go? to psychedelics. Now I can meditate without a problem, but I had to break patterns with the force of chemistry, and it was hard work, but not disciplined. Without psychedelics, very few people will achieve anything, that's my opinion. psychedelics don't take you to the end but at least they open you up enough to start

@Arthogaan really beautiful lyrics. Deep and very evocative with our topic. I will give their music more opportunities, the first listen it seemed too dense to me, but many times that happens at the beginning

Amazing article

@Water by the River Thinking about it, it is very possible that you are right. There is still one step to take. You break the mind that imagines and reality remains without limit, this reality cannot be broken because it's unlimited, but can be penetrated until its essence, and that is the game now. It does not require effort since it is a process that develops automatically, so we will see.

@Water by the River very interesting. We will see, this thing about the absolute great self within which everything appears is very similar to a 5meo trip. but I always found it limited, something was missing there, that great self had to be broken as well, there should be nothing left. I used chemical dynamite over and over again until I got it, and I saw that that big self was really a limit, there is no self, neither big nor small, there is no something within which things arise by being imagined, there is no god, god is limited. The absolute absence of limits is the source of infinite flow, reality is real, not illusory, it is infinite and cannot not be, all of it is an unimaginable reality in perpetual motion. There is no consciousness, no perceiver, the only god is the absence of limits. But who knows, we will see

let's nuance. For example, recently I can open my mind at will, that is, break the limits and the appearance of the center disappears, reality is perceived as an unlimited well from which colors and shapes flow, if nothing arises, eyes closed, it is unlimited alive, without a center of perception. Regarding suffering, my emotional stability is high without any ups and downs, I can say that there is no suffering or compression in 85% of time. I can say that a year ago I had a good dose of rumination and hatred, even two months ago there was still there. Well, is this being enlightened? I don't think so. There is much more and it is not just seeing aliens. Let's see, at night I often go to the park, any other plan seems infinitely worse to me, so I smoke some weed and meditate among the trees. then something else happens, I look at a tree and see what it really is, it is not realizing that you are infinite, etc , it is seeing power emerge, you see what the tree is and it is monstrous, it is something immeasurable, brutal. Then, at a given moment, you see your body flow, you see how reality is creating itself, its power and its intelligence beyond any possible idea. The mind is absolutely humiliated and withers, volatilizes and is no longer there. Life is flowing, it looks at your face and you look at it and you are it, absolute power passes through you and you realize that you are the cosmos. This is awakening to what reality is, not only realizing that you are infinite, but also realizing its substance, its quality, its power. And it's just the beginning.