Breakingthewall

Emptiness is impossible since always is being, then only fullness exist, emptiness is an Illusion, because who perceive the emptiness fills it. But my question was about the structure, about the forms that appears in your perception.

@Water by the River Imo you may be enlightened in the sense of being open to your true nature, but that does not mean you understand what the cosmos is like. You can understand the substance of reality but not its structure, and you can be open to the substance of reality in its empty facet and not be open to its full facet.

If there was only one perspective, mine, who would create everything that appears? a mischievous god who plays hide and seek because he's bored? That religion is less credible than Yahweh imo. God is the infinite perspectives interconnected and synchronized, creating and limiting each other, any other possibility is dual and impossible

@Water by the River @Water by the River Imagine absolute emptiness, there is no perception but there is timeless existence empty of content. deep meditation, deep sleep, fetal state, call it what you want. then, something appears and interrupts the timeless void. colors, shapes, sensations. Let's say the fetus has come to light, a new perspective appears. The question is: everything that appears are empty images, a decoration of unreal shapes that appear and create the illusion of an individual who perceives, or really these shapes are in turn perspectives interacting with each other, individuals. Any perspective that is anything other than the timeless void is really an individual or holon. What is the problem with this? everything is the same substance, but the perspectives of this substance are infinite. Perceived reality is not illusory in the sense that the people you see on the street are their own perspective and each of them is made up of an unimaginable number of self-perspective holons that are grouped into increasingly complex systems at a higher level. Non duality means that everything is the same substance, not that there is only one perspective and everything is illusion, that's solipsism. It's obvious that you are an individual, it's not an illusion, call it illusion makes no sense, because there is a perspective, yours, that is transitory. You could say that the perspectives are transitory, just perspectives, not absolute, anything, but not unreal or illusory, because that means solipsism, and it's obviously impossible because it's limited

Yes, that's what it seems, but it implies solipsism. Only this experience is real, nothing is outside of that experience, then, you are an hallucination. That's what you suggest?

I think it's much more of that. I agree with how you define the continuous realization of being the infinite being of unlimited vastness, but I would say that everything that appears has an infinite foundation. one thing does not exclude the other. The vision that all form is a hallucination seems flat and dual to me, since it assumes a subject, the infinite being, and an object, the dream. I'm almost sure this is wrong

@Princess Arabia But on the other hand, you can perceive reality as something homogeneous, in which form is irrelevant, therefore it could be said that it is empty as a form, but full as a being. It always is, it never is not, then it is something: being. The forms are unreal because they are beings taking forms, but they are real for the same reason😅 because their substance is being, which is infinite.

Yes but that being is infinite. When you talk with someone, this conversation is infinite, and has infinite ramifications, like everything else. Are infinite in it's depth. It's impossible to understand or grasp because our perception is limited. The being ramificates itself in infinite dimensions. Here and now the infinity is, and it's movement is infinite, because has not bottom. It could be a scary realization, because there is no grasp, understanding, known territory, it's only infinite being. It is like pouring yourself into death, knowing nothing, having no mind, just being. expand yourself completely, and perceive that this moment is a bottomless hole, therefore indefinable. but then you realize that this being permeates everything, the infinite absolute hole, completely. that's the reality. eureka!

I think it's exactly the opposite. Everything is infinite. The reason I am is that I have no limits, this seems obvious to me, and everything that appears, whether it is a sound, or a person with all the energetic and mental exchange that occurs, is infinite. What happens is that the mind monopolizes attention on the meaning, so it does not see the substance, which is always the same: the infinite. but infinity is something, since it is infinite, it is everything, and the only thing that matters in spirituality for me is being open to the true substance. It is very difficult, I am now closed to that substance, therefore my feeling is a little miserable. Opening to true substance is a very difficult art, you have to master the mind, master meditation, have the intention to be one with reality and open your heart to it, break all barriers.

Why an appearance? And appearance is something. If it appears as something, it's because it's something. Even it's an image is something, have a substance. If the substance is "mind" or anything else it's the same , it's something. Define it as dream or anything else is the same, just exist. The thing is penetrate in what is it, in what you are. It's not just nothing, because of it were nothing, it would be limited to be nothing. It's everything, very different.

Is a feeling a "thing"? What is the difference between a feeling or a car? The solidity?

I would say that what we all seek with the "enlightening" impulse or activity is to dissolve all the limitations that being human implies so that a completely open perception can happen , and live in unlimited flow.

Great answer, thanks. About that fragment...let's see. The nature of reality is essentially empty, absolute immensity, as you said, but at the same time it is absolutely full. That's what I meant by an openness that can burn not only the false identity but also physically. Let's see, the opening to full totality, or infinite love, or total light, means according to my experience (which as I already said can be identification, although I think not) that the infinite, by the very fact of being infinite, is everything, and that totality is an immutable reality. everything that was and will be, eternally, concentrated in a formless singularity. It is not a realization of freedom, like infinite vastness, but of absolute, unimaginable power. You can't be open to this constantly, it seems toxic, radioactive to say the least. Then, in my experience, that could be distorted, there are two faces of reality: the empty face and the full face. If reality were absolutely empty, nothing would arise, it would simply be nothing, but reality is. As you have said, the infinite being. What is this infinite being? It's you obviously, but what are you really? When infinity opens up and shows what it is, it blinds you. It is the explosion of infinite supernovas from infinite multiverses, something you can only intuit. It is not flat imagination that creates images, it is total power that creates dimensions and life. You can't be open to it, it has to be veiled or it would kill you, not your ego but your body. This means that reality is not imaginary. If it were, a subject that does the act of imagining would be needed. Impossible. Reality is just the absence of limits, and as you said it's impersonal. An infinite being that imagines is personal, that's a mistake of appreciation, a limited perception. The reality is everything due the absence of limitations, and this "everything" is the total realization. There is nobody imagining or creating, it's only the infinite flow that arises like a natural phenomena from the totality, that ultimately is you, but a you absolutely impersonal, pure light, or pure love could be a definition.

I Know what I am looking for: total openness to reality, erasing the entire structure of human fear that closes, being open to the now completely, beyond human life, in all its total depth. I perceive this life as an stage. I don't understand how works the cosmos, but I'm moving forward, following an impulse, creating a new pattern as clean as I can that can allow the most possible openess. In openenss is happiness, because it's the essence of reality, of better, in closure is unhappyness, then it's easy to choose the right path, seems that the design is done to move you in that direction, the narrow path of evolution

@Water by the River and there is something else, correct me if you think I'm wrong, because I could be completely wrong. In addition to being infinite, impersonal and free, there is a living substance of the infinite. By the very fact of being infinite, it is everything, and this totality manifests itself in what they call mystical love or infinite love, the total brilliance of sacred, immutable existence, which is the core, the heart of reality and truly the only one. reality, the immutable because it is everything, the total absolute, which now takes the appearance of this concrete situation. You can't be totally open to that long time because it burns, it has to be partially veiled to maintain this experience.

But there could be degrees of that. You could be with some suffering but perceiving you as infinite impersonal being. You suggest that it's something that happens one day and then you always are without separation/grasping/suffering. It could be like that sometimes, others no. Depending of the circumstances. And even you perceive yourself totally open, infinite, impersonal, the reality, this reality could perceive itself absolutely, all it sacred openess, the absolute freedom and joy of being, the immutable existence, or not so deep, mixed with the experience. Or according to you, when it's totally open once it's always totally open?

If nothingness produces something, then it's not nothingness

All the humans are a body

@Sugarcoat yes, I added a part at the end of that post saying more or less the same. But for me starting to think about that closes, and if it's open, it's because I forgot for a moment everything. But I'm not in that state all time, just some moments. And really I didn't read about non duality, I just talk about the expression "non duality", that sounds like limited.

@Sugarcoat Let's say that non duality is an idea about the absolute, but doesn't implies the opening to the absolute. Now I'm in a park writing and I'm totally aware of the non dual nature of everything, it's totally obvios, but I'm not open to the absolute, my mind is veiled by projection. Then I contemplate reality to perceive it in the deep way, open, what it really is. It's like open your heart, and the heart of reality opens, then you perceive yourself, and you are free. But it's very difficult to maintain,.any little movement, and the mind veils. Thinking about "illusion", "mind", "creation ", "god", "others", veils. The perception must be absolutely empty of content. But maybe I'm wrong in one thing: the perception of non duality is not total. There are some dualities, then, maybe if you truly perceive non duality, you open yourself

Not two means that you have in your mind the possibility that there are two. Real awakening for me is the opening to the absolute depth, and that the absolute depth open itself and show itself what is it. Then non duality doesn't make sense. It's the absolute, no duality is just an idea.

I met a lot of girls and I saw "it" in her eyes, the divinity and the sacred essence, and then after a while they were very son of a bitches narcisist unbearables , then maybe what I saw was another thing 😅 Sadhguru say so many weird things that it's difficult to make an opinion. I have the feeling that if I would meet him bit deeply, he would be like those girls that I mentioned above

🤣🤣🤣 There is only one awakening and it is to what you are, and it is beyond non-dual. Nonduality is obvious, it implies that all reality is the same substance: reality, and that you are that reality. true awakening goes further, it involves the perception of what you are. completely forgetting experience, real perception is the substance, the immutable totality. dual or non-dual is irrelevant, non-existent even as an idea.

Then classic cessation is a restart, the cessation time is irrelevant, it can be a millisecond or an hour, which for you would be the same. but what do you get with the reboot? understand how this reality is formed? This can be a misleading perception, like any other. It is understanding, understanding is within reality and is irrelevant, it is an illusion

What I seek over all is to perceive what reality is, not how it happens, since the perception of how seems to me to introduce distortion and is also useless, since the experience is happening, so it's happening and that's it. The thing is open the now, make it totally transparent, then the reality perceives itself and the experience appears like secondary, less relevant. Let's say that the experience is something that emanates from bottomless reality by the very fact that it has no bottom, which is why it cannot not flow, and experience is this flow. where it goes? Why is it exactly like that? I don't think this can be known, since if there are no limits, this is just one possibility among infinite possibilities, it is irrelevant, only the substance is relevant. But I don't have those perception stable, just some moments. Not only with psychedelic, also sober, but short time, then, sure more can be perceived Btw, I bought the book 10 min in eternity that you suggested, let's see how is it