Breakingthewall

Reading you it's seen that you believe in karmic continuity after death. How do you explain this? Let's say that the human that you are is happening within the timeless field of consciousness like a dream, and within that dream there are infinite dreams, turtles or whatever. At a given moment Waterriver disappears and a new cycle begins taking Waterriver's karmic structure as a base. but at the same time other infinite cycles are going out and starting having other karmic structures as a basis, "yours" is within all of them and all of them are within your cycle. So how can you consider it "yours"? There is no continuity since you, once you disappear, are equally your cycle or any other cycle. Let's say that the karmic structures in the end are only empty frameworks, not "you".

because when it is not conscious there is no when

It is quite obvious to anyone that there is a definitive awakening, which is to your essential nature as unfathomable unlimited breadth that is. the total potential where everything emerges. and it is also quite obvious that if this potential is total, the possibilities are infinite, therefore the experience of a cockroach is indifferent to that of a god, since both have a total depth. The ultimate awakening is realizing the absolute depth of this moment, and identifying with that total depth. Everything else are just interesting curiosities

Rather, I would say that the content of my field of consciousness is limited by the fact of being grared with other infinite fields of consciousness, all of them being the same consciousness or unlimited amplitude in which a concrete experience emerges that is both limited and fed by others infinite concrete experiences, all of them perfectly coordinated

I always thought that when I heard that about stopping the wheel. I prefer it to keep spinning.

If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern. Sounds accurate. Your perspective and the one of waterriver seem the only possible ones given the case of the absence of limits. However, Buddhists say: cleanse your karma and you will stop the wheel of reincarnations. sounds pretty finite

This would have a implication: that we, as humans, would be a holon composed of infinite holons, and so would an ant, Leo's alien, and the entire universe, so there would be no difference in complexity between them, and there is

Well, maybe a little better, marketing is important. I wish you a successful future as a seller. Anyway, what do you think about my (rather arbitrary btw) theory about the vertical finitude of reality? Holons that continue to increase in complexity infinitely do not seem possible. a holon/universe, a holon that is the conjunction of an infinite number of multiverses, and then? At some point it has to reach the end, the holon of holons. and down, the same. Do you think you can divide the atom infinitely? At some point you will find absolute emptiness. Although if you look closely, if this void is absolute, it is in turn unlimited, thus containing the totality of reality. 🤔, yes, perhaps infinity in all directions is the only possibility, as uncomfortable as it may seem, especially upwards. but this is not something we can know I'd say

The name I don't know, but as a business is a disaster. You need some coaching. Maybe sell weed by the river. Even sell cocaine by the river 🤔

Absolute freedom, absence of identification, a hole without bottom and without any limit, and yet, in an incomprehensible way, without the slightest doubt, I am that. That is the end, and the begging. The very difficult thing is being just absence of limits, without anything else, and still be you. That is the total energetic liberation, when you realize, without doubt, what you are out of the time, because the time appears in you, it's just an appearance, same than anything else.

I'm not love, I'm not infinite, I'm not intelligence, I'm not creation, I'm not god, I'm not human, I'm not cosmos, I'm not nothing. I'm open. That's what I am, and it's wonderful. (20 of 5meo btw)

Well, they exist as perceptions. Seems than even the atoms are cyclical. The life of a proton is estimated is 10 to the 31 power of years

Love is a consequence, like god or anything else. If you want to know what you really are, what reality is, you can't grab love.

Sex is a complicated matter, always on the fine line of being something negative, since it has several layers of implications. It seems that for sex not to be surrounded by shit, the galaxy has to be aligned

Contraction is something strange, a maneuver of the mind that occurs in the human condition, it is like being closed in on yourself. We put an energy of desire and rejection before the flow of reality, like bridles on a horse, we have reality subject to our control, our identity. We have to let go of that bridle, relax our guard, our control. All of us have been afraid and fear has become part of us, it comes in our genes. fear of dying, of pain, of rejection, of losing what you have, who you love. terror. We have to look at it in the face, be aware of it, accept it, try to overcome it. Openness involves letting everything go, seeing everything as secondary, even the life. We could loose the life in 5 minutes. Then it's very important to be able to open it, not waiting, not in the future, has to be now. The mind has to be focused in that, meditation has to become a main activity, be comfortable with ourself, abandon the evasion. Btw I'm talking to myself in 90%, not giving advices. A lot of work is needed, of detachment from the mind, be aware of the contraction, of the suffering. As waterriver said, suffering is the contraction. I confused with pain, that's different. Suffering the vibration of the mind that has fear as it's basis. It's like a shell over our heart made of control, that creates an image of a self that moves in time. That's false , we are just floating in infinity, control is a fantasy, must be absolutely relaxed. Then the being expands and flows free. It is to stop looking at life with fear, smile at it, and give yourself to it. trust yourself as existence. difficult because life is partly a struggle, this is why contraction exists. It is a difficult art to balance the two sides.

Of course. Who wants to give up anything? for what reason? you can have both. We have to savor the relative, the touch of the air, the vision of colors, movement, sex, the sensation of having a body, and also the beauty of the mind, the pleasure of understanding and communication. the beauty of the heart, the connection with other humans. All this does not take away the possibility of opening your being to the absolute as much as possible. They are not excuses or evasion, they are life, they are sacred, absolute. We do not have to renounce them, on the contrary, it is in them where the character of existence is recognized, also in pain and sadness.but we have to put before the openess, at least me. Life pass, the absolute remains. What we have to do to open ourself to the absolute is to want it, and therefore eliminate the obstacles that prevent that opening, free your mind and your heart. Don't reject anything , be one with the now, immerse yourself in the now and merge with it. It's not about stop thinking, it's about stopping controlling , stopping to be separated and let the reality opens. It's extremely difficult to me, a big effort. Usually I need some drug and a lot of meditation to remove the barriers, in normal state there is always some veil , but life without openness is shit. Openess is necessary, more than anything else. It's better die tomorrow in total openenss than live 50 years closed

In my experience the void is just the previous step before the real opening. The void is limited, because it doesn't include the full. In fact in some point you perceive the reality, then yourself, and inherently void, every form is nothing, just emptiness. It's not easy to stand this realization without trying any evasion. If you accept yourself as absolute void, then the absolute opens. Let's say that you have cleaned your interior of everything, there is nothing left, reality manifests itself as an empty hologram, mere appearance, which hides a total emptiness. this is terrifying. then something opens, the sacred source manifests, your heart opens and from it flows the substance of reality, and this substance encompasses the unlimited expanse of the void. At one point you are looking at the totality, and suddenly, you are that. That's the realization that has to be just under the surface to make the real change, the end of the sadness, the lack.

Ok ok I misunderstood, yes the article says that everyone really want to cease of existing because any existence is a chain, and that's not real. Existence in fact is perceived as absolute freedom due the absence of limits. The limits are a creation, illusory as they say, if the perception is free , existence is perceived as absolute freedom and absolute joy

Existence is existence, in any state. Are you talking seriously or just trying something personal?

Materialism is real, reality creates itself in holons, particles that mesh together forming more complex particles. each of these particles is the manifested absolute total. You, as a human, are the result of perfectly organized holons at a level that is difficult to imagine. In turn you are a holon, a particle that forms something bigger. This entire universe in turn is a holon in motion, in evolution, which in turn is part of another, etc. There is a constant movement towards unity, towards organization in patterns of greater complexity and, as leo would say, a higher level of consciousness. I don't think the dimension of this is conceivable by a human mind. It would be said that this movement, this push towards unity, will reach an inescapable end: unity. Once unity is achieved, all manifest reality will de facto be a single being, and the cosmic cycle will have been completed.

Existence can't cease, because it exists. Cessation implies a limit: existence can't exist, it's limited to don't exist. Absence of limitations implies that bot are, but existence eats the inexistence, one instant of existence is the eternity, because inexistence is nothing.

I didn't say that that repeats the cycles, I said that every manifestation is cyclical. Then the entire cosmos must be cyclical too. Then, when the infinite manifestation reach the unity, the cosmic cycle would end, as any other cycle. Then, there are not infinite holons in each holon. There are infinite holons in horizontal level, maybe, but maybe even in that level are finite, because infinity could be infinite just in the sense of an eternal cycle, not necessarily in it's extent.

Who's reading is me, the reality, and who wrote is you, the reality. Two dimensions of the reality between infinite dimensions looking each other. That's how reality works in a horizontal level, it's in vertical level where it's difficult to accept the absence of limitations. Even Buddhism speaks of the end of the wheel of reincarnations, which would inevitably restart. Everything seems to be cyclical, this is the infinite way of organizing itself without being an impossible aberration. cycle implies limits. Infinity is still infinite, but limited vertically between zero and unity. The infinite cosmos originates absolutely fragmented and reaches complete unity, ending its cosmic cycle and beginning again.

Maybe mathematics proves it, but can you understand it really? For example, Leo says that infinity implies that you will live all possible lives. this is precisely finite. Infinity implies that you will never, in infinite eternity, live all possible lives. This does not fit into any human mind except as a conceptual idea.

You can say in positive that it's the absolute total that exists, and that I am that. In negative, that it's absence of limits. Infinity means that never ends, then, even in the eternity of existence never all possibilities will be realized. This is not understandable by the mind, this is what I meant when I said that understanding is ultimately illusory.