Breakingthewall

The correct answer being enlightened would be: if I see my son in agony I would see the perfect beauty in it and I would be happy for him because he's burning his karma to arrive to the absolute opening in the next stage. But being honest, would be that?

Your problem is self deception, but I can't solve it, then good luck with it Yeah sure. That's self help, aka self deception. Ask Buddha, life is suffering. Karma, suffering ,engine of evolution.

Sure, then if I crucify your son in front you and you see him in agony for 3 days , you would see it beautiful because the body is not him

Well I saw some people dying in a way that I would call horrible, people have cancer and those shit , not only in tv, it's real, happens every moment sorry to say, but when I read you I only perceive arrogance and self deception

Good, it's the first stage to real opening. You have to face this emptiness again and again until you are more or less comfortable with it. No meaning, no content, absolute void. Be confident in that it's just a stage, after the void the whole opens and you are that.

In fact human life is not beautiful, if you compare human life with any other being, everything is in harmony except humans, seems that human are like a transition stage where reality is given birth to another dimension, and humans are the intermediate stage, and the pain of the birth is the huge human suffering that is the engine of evolution. Most of humans are unconscious of their level of suffering, and they deceive themselves with self help techniques to avoid face directly they darkness, because would be unbearable

Btw, that guy, bassui, was a real genius, we should read a bit about him, his life and his teachings, that seems simple but are very deep Words are absolutely necessary to free the mind, are very powerful.

Very good question. First we should define what is experience, then how are the different types of experience. Is experience without perception? Is time without perception? Is time with basic perception? When perception starts to be complex and is aware of itself? Why it's aware of itself? Who is aware of itself is a creation of the perception, or something else?

Yes, there were infinite other egos.

Maybe if you are 14 years old and are prisoner in a jail in Nigeria and every night 10 guys fuck you by force life could be less nice, or if you are a old woman with an stroke alone in a charity hospital that no one visits, or millions of possibilities. Being human is very often suffering. If real suffering seems beautiful to you, then yes. If you and your whole family are impaled and the 3 days of agony watching them and yourself impaled seem beautiful to you, then everything is ok

Imagine how would be the pirates on real. In the 18th century, the English practiced forced conscription to strengthen their fleet. That is, a patrol would lie in wait on the roads and any guy who passed by would be kidnapped, put on the ship and not be allowed to leave the ship for 10 years being forced to fight in sea war. It didn't matter if the guy had 8 children to feed. This was legal and if the guy tried to escape he was hanged. Some of these guys managed to escape, became pirates, and they didn't love people at all.

95% of the assessments of trump are strategy to confuse, then you never know when something is serious, it's like business man strategy to get benefit, for example that about the 100% of taxes

Thats not a koan, it is a question that a guy named Bassui asked himself compulsively since he was 7 years old. He was an interesting guy, a Japanese Zen monk from the 14th century, quite rebellious and independent, focused on meditation. His approach was to penetrate into himself to understand what he is. His question is not a koan, it is a direct question with an answer that requires a total opening of the mind. First you must reach the non-self, then the absolute emptiness and finally the total opening. My answer is because I know those phases, my rude way of answering you is because of your suggestion to contemplate more and reason less, since it seems disrespectful to me, since I didn't asked the advice and I meditate several hours each day and I contemplate uninterruptedly, if was impolite I'm sorry

It's not what I say, it's what solipsism theory says . But anyway, I'm almost sure that Leo doesn't believe this anymore, was a kinda of mistake imo

Any AI would be always limited, you are unlimited, the difference is absolute

@enchanted forget absolutely any conceptual idea about anything in spirituality, just meditate, observe your mind, understand yourself, open yourself, little by little. Never believe any idea about how or what the reality is. Only get deep in you, inside is what you are looking for, outside there is nothing in this field

Simply observe reality, nature, the cosmos. You are that, it is indisputable. What is sought in spiritual work is to open yourself to the reality of what you are. It is obvious that our mind is closed for reasons of survival, focused in a certain way. Opening it is an enigma, it is something very difficult, but in it is the source, the reality itself. If you intuit this, there is only one path: to reach the end.

That's not the solipsism, solipsism means that the people that you see and talk with are imaginary and haven't real experience, you as god are creating them for any reasons, over all because you as god feel alone in the eternity and bored in heaven, then you invented that video game that consists in being a Japanese office worker with depression infinite times.

Then why are you talking with him? If solipsism is true he is not real , is only a product of your imagination. Discuss with him or with anyone else would be meaningless, even psychotic.

What is worthless is answering people who aim to appear wise. Good luck with your game son, I hope it fills you with self-esteem. Anyway, it would be nice if you didn't bother those of us who try to talk seriously. I'm sure there are other forums for children where you'll fit in better.

I didn't answer a koan, I know that it's a big work to read all the thread and all of us have bit adhd nowadays, but the answer was to the question of bassui: who's listening the sound? Btw this is a forum to talk, not to contemplate. Everything that is written is an idea, contemplating is in different moment

Anyway I know the answer: the one who hears the sounds is reality, the universe, God. Through life God becomes concious of itself, awakens from it's sleep. Consciousness is the awakening of reality, sleeping reality is as real as awakened reality, but unconscious of itself. Consciousness is the light that illuminates reality, sound is perception, perception is consciousness, the process of awakening goes deeper into itself infinitely, and that sound is part of it. We are the reality awakening, then we could totally awake to it, open our conciousness to the total depth of what it is, that's enlightenment.

Zen masters are bit contradictory, bassui claims have not desire but he desires a lot to scape from the wheel of samsara to scape from suffering, then you should ask yourself obsessively who is who listen the sound, until you realize it. How many people along the history have questioned obsessively "who's listening the sound" and one day they were enlightened? If you are questioning you are in the logical mind and in the lack, you have the need of knowing something, then you should think that you don't know it, then you are making a lot of diferenciations that come from outside with the hope of finding something called "enlightenment" that comes to you from outside, because bassui told you, because bassui told you that if you don't do, you are going to go to the big shit of suffering. At least some doubts about it

If there is not "I" and the mind is void, who's asking that question?

Reality is absolute, infinite. Then, if now it's one state of consciousness, where are the other possible infinite states of consciousness? Out of the conciousness. Means that that they doesn't exist? No, means that they are not manifested now, but could be manifested.... tomorrow? Then doesn't exist not but will exist tomorrow? Of course because any state of consciousness is a facet of the absolute but only some are manifested now, because the manifestation, aka conciousness, is in the time. The absolute is out of the time and it encompass all the possible states of consciousness but they could happen or not, because the absolute is total potential. Total potential implies conciousness, and unconsciousness