Breakingthewall

@Ishanga I think that sadhguru is a mystic and Osho a philosopher. He understands very well the theory, is very smart, but he's closed in the shell of his human self. That's just a personal perception, but what else we have?

Just my opinion. I think he's a liar , I perceive the lie in every word he says, the seduction I think sadhguru and Osho are very different. Sadhguru could be authentic, although when it comes to humans, there are always doubts. lies have many layers Maybe some here In addition to talking they do serious practices

In my humble opinion, Osho is lying. Little lies mixed with truths. No meditation method is going to make you transcend your human nature, it is something much more complex than a method, it is a movement of karma unique in each case. Btw, when Osho was in prison for a few months, he suffered more than average. I see in him the seller, like evil attitude, seduction.

Exactly, but it's extremely difficult. As humans and evolutionary social beings we are deeply programmed for preference. and the primary preference is to live rather than die. Any mental exercise is violence and doomed to failure if it is not based on a real human transcendence. The human will always be a prisoner of the psyche, to leave the psyche you have to take a step back and identify with existence. And even then, the pendulum is going to move again and again. Then the effort has to be constant and deliberate to observe your suffering without evasion, because the psyche is always suffering. The human nature is very uncomfortable, a movement of reality to promote the most efficient evolutionary movement possible.

To be free is to leave the psyche. Once it is achieved, it seems very simple and obvious, then you are back inside and in a very difficult to solve maze. The psyche is a strange mechanism, a kind of evolutionary parasite that permeates your energetic structure and makes your mind operate in loop mode. It is impossible to get out of the psyche just by suggesting it, since it has many anchor points. you have to work on them, eroding them little by little, then there comes a time when sometimes, for short intervals, you leave the psyche, and the mind becomes clear and limitless. Any thought about yourself starts the loop of the psyche, and that mental flow begins to branch out and in a moment you are ruminating, giving energy to the psyche to continue with its inertia. Once you leave the psyche and see it from the outside without its emotional charge, it seems ridiculous, a dead mask. but when it catches you again, it is very alive. It doesn't stop spinning around itself and it contracts your heart and mind. the psyche is greedy and miserable. It is a disgusting companion, a slimy parasite. It sticks to your face and presses it, like a closed fist behind your eyes, oppressive. All your emotionally charged memories, good or bad, are psyche. any self-referential identity and thought that is given importance, any self-valuation, any thought or emotion of dependence, of not being complete without something. Releasing the psyche means opening the present moment, removing its limits. being empty of psyche, therefore full of existence. existence is this, now, not the protections of the psyche. Freedom is also here and now, not at some other point, since there is only this point: now. The greedy psyche, with all its evaluations, it's sadness, has to be seen as unreal, a software that has the mission of trapping you, imprisoning you. It is the product of life in human society that has evolved over thousands and thousands of years. There are thousands of generations trapped in that structure, giving life to it. Humans and psyche always are together. There are people who seem to be very happy with their positive psyche, but they are also trapped. At least in a comfortable cell, but it is a cell. There is only one freedom, letting it fall, emptying the mind of psyche. quite a challenge. If the psyche falls, the reality manifests clean and unlimited, but it's like a pendulum, disappears and comes back. The point is to choose the absence of psyche firmly. I would say that it has an important component of will, not just realization.

Exactly, the idea is living it that state. Anything else is suffering and deception. Once you see it, when the separation mechanisms of the psyche re-emerge (inevitably), the suffering becomes much more evident. Before it was always there, but you had concealment mechanisms, especially projection into the future or the past to escape from an inharmonious present. If you face this present with a vibration of suffering, you understand the mechanisms of separation. This does not mean that you will voluntarily and automatically make them disappear and become one with reality again, but this is encouraged to occur spontaneously more and more frequently. What was previously a one-time event, normally promoted by psychedelics, is beginning to be an everyday occurrence. For me, small doses of LSD are very useful, since they anesthetize the separating energy, but the idea is to achieve this in a sober and continuous way.

Illusion means that the form is irrelevant, the substance is always the same and you are that. Then, you can be lost in the form, in the impermanence, or open to the absolute and settled in it, which is your true nature, then the form is indifferent, it is only form, and it is seen as an illusion in the sense that one form is the same as another, all are the absolute. But in another hand they are totally real precisely because they are the absolute.

Yes a couple of times, crazy trip, but was long ago. Like 2 months ago I tried again twice 20x extract and zero effect

Imo What is possible to do is dissolve the limits that the human structure entails and become unlimited, opening yourself completely to the substance of reality. The conciousness, intelligence, the real you, call as you want, but god....well Imo When someone, myself, has god realization, there is still identification. God realization means that I am creating reality by imagining it, this means that the reality that I observe is imaginary, like a night dream. well, then levitate a bus, in a lucid night dream it is possible, since the bus that appears is a creation of my mind, but in reality, no one has levitated a feather. So, I don't think God Realization is a lack of depth but rather a mistaken identification. Someone could say: I can't levitate a feather because I ve not enough conciousness being an human. Well, you can't levitate a feather or do absolutely anything except imagine that you are an omnipotent god who is creating others and is alone. The reality is that if there is a total dissolution of the limits there is no loneliness since the concept of loneliness does not exist, nor do the concepts of others, there is only the unlimited ocean of existence. The moment you start creating mental structures like "loneliness", you are already at the limits of the mind again. This does not mean that you as consciousness are not creating something, you are doing it, but in a limited way. That is, if I break all the limits and enter an absolute state, you and I are the same, but the absolute is not alone because it is unlimited. Only the ego can be alone and see itself as a center, the absolute has no center, it is not personal, it is not "you" in the sense of perceiving yourself as an entity, it is you as a substance of total reality, without bottom and without limits, immensity. So, you, as an absolute, are having a relative experience, but the absolute is having infinite relative experiences at the same time since time is a construction of the relative dimension, so, I am the cup of coffee that im drinking now in the sense that the cup of coffee is the absolute, and so am I, but at the same time the cup of coffee is another dimension of the absolute among infinite other dimensions. In fact, the cup of coffee is made up of infinite dimensions of the absolute, just like me. Then god is the infinite dimensions of reality interconnected infinitely. When you take a psychedelic and have a god realization, you don't become god in that sense because it's impossible imo, you can move your hands, but you can't levitate a cup of coffee. You become the absolute but maintaining the individual identity, so you see yourself trapped in the loneliness of existence. I had that realization many times, quite awful, but it's obviously false to me This does not mean that my power is zero. On the contrary, my power is enormous since everything is interconnected and if I know how to read the flow of reality, I can orient it in part according to my will, since my will is the will of the infinite, but only an infinitesimal part, which affects the whole. , but at the same time it is limited by the whole

The point is to let the mind fall and dissolve it in the heart, and open the heart and let it expand without limit. That is what there will be after death, that is what there is now. It doesn't matter what form it takes, it is always the same, me. The question here would be: can I open myself completely and perceive myself completely, or are still some veils?

I m not searching anything, just removing obstacles that keep me enjailed. I want to be absolutely open to the absolute, anything else is greed and it's totally stupid. Greed to keep an illusion.

Not at all. at some times, some days, with some substances, until some extent. but my mind is an obsessive machine that never stops, and looks for the barriers, what veils, what keeps identity spinning on itself, generating compression and suffering. Then, as time goes by, the opening becomes easier and deeper. But many layers, rests of mental garbage, identification, compression, opacity, are still in me.

I told you because I had that realization many times and was quite awful, negative, then I did again and again, over all with 5meo, but with DMT, LSD and mushrooms too, until I totally dissolve myself many times.

One center deciding everything would be finite. Infinite holons of consciousness made form synchronizing with each other is infinite, and that is god, intelligence without center

The proof is intellectual and can be direct experience if you are able to transcend form. Let's see, what suffers is identity. Identity is not just mental, like I am American, etc., it is real, they are evolutionary energy patterns that self-construct layer after layer. Physical pain is identity, any suffering is. This is necessary for the complex forms to be maintained, if he were not alive, the species would not exist. you can realize what you are as a form, a definite pattern that uses the substance of reality to take a form. If you realize this you realize that the form is transitory and the substance permanent, then, deliberately, through meditation, you can go beyond the form, see it as something transparent, transitory, irrelevant, and identify yourself totally with the substance, consciousness or whatever you want to call it, the limitless that you really are, then, temporarily, you can see that suffering, the difference between good and bad is nothing more than a construction. Then, if you achieve that state even for some seconds, you will see yourself. The absolute glory of existence. Of course, after you will fall again in the preference, but you will try again and again get out of it for a while

Nobody is deciding those things, there are the movement of the cosmos, the ying and yang balanced itself. All that is maya, it's like a transparent hologram that seems real, and it is in some sense but explodes as a soap bubble and the absolute remains . The infinity can't stop flowing, and this is it flow. But under the surface it's the absolute glory. Of course it's difficult to see it when you are immerse in the shit, but nobody said that it were easy

There is not God, there is not a designer, reality design itself. The infinite, by the fact of being infinite, unfolds in infinite dimensions, which gear together perfectly given the inevitable infinite intelligence of reality, but there is no someone doing things, there is an infinite cosmos in infinite movement with infinite layers of consciousness reflecting each other infinitely

If you want to live your whole life trapped in the prison of ego, no problem. If you want to open yourself to the totality, you must transcend them

I understand it perfectly. You perceive as miserable a container capable of opening to the perfection of total absolute infinity. It's normal, as I already told you, the shell of the ego is hard. Millions of years of evolutionary warfare have created a tunnel vision that only sees threats and benefits, until we reach this tipping point, where the final step in the evolution of life comes full circle and opens to the infinite wholeness that truly is.

Freedom is total acceptance of yourself. but not of yourself as a human compared to other humans, but of yourself as an existence. For example, accepting your children being tortured by the Apaches in front of you being roasted on a grill and then you being devoured by insects for three days. Here is the difficult question of freedom, since reality does not joke. Freedom is to drain the cup to the end. give yourself as a sacrifice for crucifixion, torture, illness, loneliness and desolation. It is the price of glory. Reality is designed to keep us prisoners of our fear. You are a rock climber right? Why? because you have sensed that fear is prison. All of us will have our cross, that's the game. But it is not necessary to go that far id say, it is enough to look the chains of our mind , look them in the face, and open ourselves to them with total honesty. Open our heart and accept the whole thing with humility, then the perfection manifest . I'm not claiming that I'm there, just some moments and struggling with myself to purify myself and trascending the fucking stubborn ego. If we are able to accept everything without rejecting anything, the transitory/illusory (although this word is confusing ) character of reality manifests itself, and the absolute perceives itself. This is freedom and what they call enlightenment: seeing through the veil of maya

In one sense yes, in other freedom is you.

If you were aware of the wonder of creation in 1% you would only say: hallelujah. but the walls of your ego only allow you to see your misery. This is what spiritual work is about, breaking down those walls

I just said that this is wrong, there are energetic barriers, pretending that are just an illusion is useless. So I gave an example about a diagnosis of a disease, which directly attacks identity, since being human there is inherently the desire to survive, which is the basis of identity. Do you think that this is not the case, that the barriers are only imaginary? Maybe it is that way for you, but not for the vast majority. We humans have a difficult path, completely attached to identification, layer after layer. Being a human is not the same as being a bird, for example, and with these two patterns of existence being so different, it is logical to think that there will be infinitely different patterns of existence. What I said is that being human, freedom is not given, it is conquered, and lying to oneself is a guarantee of failure.

I didn't say the word suffering. Spiritual evolution is freeing yourself of the shell of the identity.

Why do you assume that?