The0Self

Truth.

This was totally contradictory to something else you said earlier today. Can’t remember what it was. But God is and most certainly isn’t separate from you. However what is (what you might call God) is neither real nor unreal.

Yes, obviously the ego was dead “during” God-realization, but what you put in a previous comment was entirely contradictory to what you’ve said here.

There’s no separation, silly. You may resonate with what I’m saying or think it’s bullshit, but beware reactivity of the devil disguised as God — ego. It was apparently your (God’s) imagination, literally. Please don’t confuse people. If you believe it, it’s not objectively true, so don’t act like it is. Or ignore that. Doesn’t matter. See what feels more fired-up for the caring ego, and promptly do the opposite. If you’re wise. Open your mind to just how radical the truth can be — it’s infinitely radical.

Congrats on stage blue. Sounds sarcastic but that’s actually classic stage blue done right. I must have had you confused with another user. You just wait lol — all beliefs will parish. It’s up to you to die with them all at once, or a little bit at a time. Not that you care, but with God realization you actually create the entire universe — some of us on this very forum have had that apparent experience / lethally-infinite-love-tornado. That’s what you did, just now, timelessly. But I am you, and there is no we.

It seemed to make sense at the time. It didn't, in actuality. But just for fun: Apparently I used a lot of psychedelics, followed both Culadasa's and Rob Burbea's path guidance for the most part. 1-5 hours of meditation a day for about 5 years, Jhana's, Real-I-zation of Now, God-realization, realization of the infinite, and realization of progressively more infinite infinities. Lot's of ego-death and glimpses of absolute void-ness, usually "contaminated" by the psychedelic experience. Experimented with combining psychedelics, and combining dissociatives (usually ketamine) with psychedelics (usually LSD-25). Contemplation 24/7, even in dreams. Fasting, etc. Lots of obsessive extracurricular learning and google surfing and NCBI-studies-surfing to get a more complete picture of so-called objective reality. My life was incredibly ordinary, as is everyone's, which is also extraordinary: "undergraduate student with a girlfriend half the time." And a very stable and profoundly, lovingly abundant family life -- I was (and "am") profoundly lucky in that sense. Oh, and all that contemplation meant I self-isolated (by apparent choice) far more that most of my peers with my ability to connect with others. I did Metta a lot and this seemed to improve charisma and confidence. After several awakenings, the obviousness that there's no free will and no separate self eliminated nearly all shame and guilt and self-consciousness. About a week ago something else seemed to happen -- enlightenment itself was seen as empty. That was the end of it, in a sense. Though meditation and consciousness-work may still appear to happen, there's very clearly no one doing it -- and not even anyone being carried through an imaginary thing called time. There's just immediately what seems to be happening, with no stops, one could say. No certainty and no doubt, that there simply is no one separate from everything. Further? There's no reference point left to know what that would even mean. So... Maybe? I have absolutely no clue. To understand is to understand that you do not understand, but to understand fully is to understand that you do not understand even a single bit. This doesn't see a so-called future or even a "moment" -- this is absolute, ungrounded, unbounded, chaotic innocence. This is actually too obvious to see, amazingly.

Love it!

@EntheogenTruthSeeker Yes, John Butler is awesome. Sorry to hear about @BipolarGrowth Man that's scary. He'll be fine and learn from it though. I spoke with him on facetime a month or two ago and he indicated that his intended life purpose was to (paraphrasing) learn from the path of mysticism and expanding-consciousness, to then help others with bipolar who are doing the same. Praying for him.

It's alright. There isn't a you who ever made a wrong choice, or a right choice. There is only immediately what appears -- nothing else, not even so-called reality. Full-on, free-fall LIFE. No separation...already. This longs for desire, by being desire.

I never did anything. It was all a dream (basically). The claim "I am" turned out to be false. There was apparently a lot of self inquiry and contemplation and psychedelic use, but what was recognized is there's no cause and effect, so nothing led to anything. It didn't "help," if that's what you're really asking (not saying you are).

You fighting with you is just an appearance. There isn't anyone doing it. It's inseparable from everything. You can never become worthy of everything, because you are already everything. So snap out of it! (jk)

He's indicated several times in videos over the past couple years that he has not, at least in the context you all have suggested. But there are different types of cessations. Ego-death is cessation -- there's no experiencer. God-realization; etc. If we were to get real precise we could say there is only cessation, but that's not helpful.

Claiming separation from God = pride. Just a suggestion. Not a claim. I'm not even claiming there is God.

You could say so. This is an infinite, timeless, spaceless, boundless energy... Which isn’t moving. This is absolutely infinite. This does not experience longing as if separate from “it.” This IS longing. This has no need or want, and this is all there is, so no apparent “one” can want this. This imagines what this would be like if only this could want “something else” — this doesn’t want something else, as this is infinitely pristine innocent perfection, so this can appear as the imagination that there’s a being who experiences individuality — to get around that roadblock, so to speak. That still means this has no need or want (i.e. for something else) — this IS nothing being everything — everything... including the apparent wanting of something else. So this doesn’t experience wanting something else as if separate from “it,” this IS what apparently happens; everything, including an apparent person’s experience of wanting something else.

Longing is inseparable from what apparently happens, with no exceptions. Hence, unconditional love. But of course, no one does the longing: In alignment with exactly what you describe... Who would? If THIS wants nothing at all, and THIS is all there is, then clearly, even simply logically, no one and no thing can want THIS. This doesn’t need anything, including this itself. This is simply “longing.” Careful though... This is NOT experiencing longing as if separate from longing, this IS longing. To understand this is to understand that this cannot be understood. To understand this fully is to understand that this cannot be understood even a single bit.

My previous comment (“poem”) was not serious at all btw. In this one, the ineffable is effed: What seems to often come up now: this boundless, timeless, infinite energy — the infinite — is not moving. There is, literally, nowhere else, nothing else, no one else, and no one here. Just this obviously ungraspable, unbounded, infinite (literally...infinite), spaceless, timeless energy — or if you like, nondual Awareness, or unconditional love, or just... this. What you apparently see is all that isn’t you — everything. What’s left? Nothing. As it turns out, there’s no you to see... You are no-thing, pretending to be some-thing... How? By imagining what it would be like if it were looking for — IF ONLY it could look for — something else. Oh...the longing...done by no one... The longing is inseparable from what apparently happens. (i.e. it isn’t actually an “it,” and there is no actual “looking for something else,” as “it” is bathing in, and being, all there is.) Ta-da! ? (i.e. the underlined portion is the ‘ta-da!’ referred to)

Another pointer: It’s just a fun poem. Has a 5-ish beat — every single line. ? ^^ There is no belief. No belief needed. What is not needed is not to be true. No thing is needed, so no thing is true. No thing’s everything, so everything’s true.

@outlandish Good points! However: I for one think getting rid of the PM system, or even altering it in any way, would be a virtually guaranteed net negative.

That’s basically exactly what I said later in the very same comment you took this from. Edit: In the very next sentence, no less! ? Amateurs... (? absolutely joking!)

You’re absolutely correct! He was just widening the already open door, in a sense. But there’s a bit of a catch: the recognition is the end of better or worse. Realizing there’s nowhere else is the end of need. But it’s not the satisfaction of need. The door is always open. There’s already only paradise, so it doesn’t matter if the door is passed through. It’s only a suggestion. Albeit a suggestion with no practical use — but therein lies its purity... i.e. there’s no one here giving anything to someone over there, because here and there, and “you and I,” are not recognized as separate, or even as things at all. Giving is receiving, but there are no such things as giving and receiving. So too, caring is judging; doubt is certainty. There is no one, only this, which is not a thing — no-thing is not graspable.

Not coming at you from a contradictory perspective in any sense (important), only a transcendent one: In a sense, what your “higher self” (God; which isn’t actually real but IS real at this level) imagines to be real, IS real. So Jesus (as a source of profundity and power) is literally real... for you. Perhaps contemplate that if you don’t get it in one reading. But to be more precise, there isn’t actually anything to get.

When it is and isn’t seen that there never was an individual, there’s no individual to fall away ❤️

Yeah... you’re right, in fact there’s literally no real difference ? Guess I’d better just stay silent! Lol jk it’s just a play. Who would “stay silent,” anyway? ?

Yeah, you are...

Perfect