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Not even close. There is no constant state. Enlightenment is the end of "now what?" in every possible way. One way of putting it, is your highest insights will be on equal footing with abject depravity -- that's how little anything matters in enlightenment. There is no self left. It's the end of better/worse. You do not want enlightenment. From your perspective, it's like going to sleep and never waking up -- except, sleep is peaceful, enlightenment is not even peace. It's an unimaginably absolute loss. However, it is actually possible to feel like you're on MDMA any time you want! Lots of meditation practice can bring that ability about. But when you have it, really have it, you'll barely use it. Funny how that works, isn't it?

Sure, but even if this is done, the ego will still think it's better to do this or get something out of it, rather than not doing it or not getting anything out of it -- some kind of transcendence, etc. But the ego or the sense of real-experience-happening-to-me can drop for absolutely no apparent reason -- it doesn't have a single prerequisite, and moreover, it has no benefit.

Freedom. But what’s the point of that? Absolutely no point at all. No reason = love = freedom. There’s no meaning to anything at all — if there were, that would be a condition; a constraint, and not absolute boundless freedom. This is already the great completion. The so-called end of the dream (enlightenment) is simply the end of the experience that there are objectively better or worse separate things. The end of mystical & ordinary as being the slightest bit separate. There are already no objectively better or worse separate things, and no experiencer separate from everything. So there never was a dream. And nothing to overcome. Nothing needs to be overcome, already. And the story never ends — only the relationship to it ends. If there were a way, it would be <insert famous last words>. Nothing can be done to get closer to completion — it’s all there is. Even the dream is completion. The end of the dream really is just like going to sleep and never waking up, from the perspective of the experiencer who seems to have a life of meaning and purpose — it would never end it by choice, especially if it could know what the end of the dream meant; it can’t imagine what it’s like for the worst experience to be absolutely equanimous with the best; indeed, no one knows what that’s like. Even if attempting suicide, the experiencer never assumes that death will mean absolute equanimity of all happenings — it generally thinks it will be something like peace, or just something different (better or less-bad), etc.

That’s just nothing appearing to happen for no one, it’s not actually happening or referring to anything real other than itself (the appearance) — just seems like it when there’s still seemingly someone with their own separate existence/meaning/purpose/life. Can’t say anything on a relative level for this situation, as I can’t read minds, but it seems I can point to the heart of the matter. No point in saying this at all, but it’s the truth behind the experience — so to speak, anyway.

^^ Which itself is of course not wrong. ❤️ __________ Ultimately right/wrong and true/false beliefs are illusory. Right/wrong; better/worse is not relevant, except to “me.”

One could just as easily ask "why do you think everybody is searching for the meaning?" as a response to the statement that all there is, is meaning. Same thing. Yes, which is a trap. Of course. Reality is not other than meaning. But what is the meaning of that?

Oh how sweet! Y'all are so literal. Nothing always gets nothing -- means the exact same thing. That work for ya?

Well it is bullshit. Any time someone tells you something it is bullshit. Even now. But really on a very practical level, the universe (let's call it) always gets what it wants. Even when what it wants, is to pretend it can't get what it wants

There's nothing to explain man. I don't believe that nothing matters. Nothing matters. Yes life is the realest thing -- there is nothing else. Yes it's beyond understanding. If I knew anything about this, or was able to experience a bad experience as a good one, it would be a delusion, yes. Indeed it would be a contradiction. When there's no one left experiencing reality as actually happening, nothing happens. There is only what's happening, which is as it is, but at the same time completely empty. Completely indescribable. Orgasm is what's happening. Getting stabbed is what's happening. They're both what's apparently happening. That's it. That doesn't mean it might be happening it's just that no one knows that -- no, there is nothing really happening. All duality is false. Every spiritual experience I ever seemed to have was no less spiritual than literally anything else, yes even including the most profane shit ever... Or gas pain... That's where this really leads. There's no point to it, everything is already complete and nothing needs changing. This has no need of being anything else -- there is nothing else anyway!

You mean besides nothing and everything? Better/worse; ordinary/extraordinary... Not that there's really a beyond.

Love always gets what it wants. Always.

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@Raptorsin7 Yeah I hear you too. Wasn't saying I find this particular human body to be more beautiful than any other, because I literally do not.

Lol looks can be deceiving. Everything you know for sure is a dream. "After enlightenment," the best possible experience is absolutely no better than the worst possible because nothing is happening. Further, the truest thing is no truer than the falsest thing, because there are no things, there's no separation, and there is no truth. That's the truth Some people just have everything... Totally joking -- I have less than anyone could possibly imagine.

The me is terrified of the worst thing being absolutely no worse or less whole than the best thing.

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Lol hopefully no one takes me too seriously. It was honest but I was also just being silly

i.e. I would suspect this to be projection.

He could just be having a bad day or something lol. I have no clue what he’s saying half the time and the other half seems to jive. The truth is... well, all I can say is get enlightened and it’ll be the dumbest decision and the least dumb decision you never made. What is is equally what is NOT. How are you gonna derive “truth” from that? ? But yeah for him to say everything can be known — dead giveaway for delusion. There is literally nothing happening in the first place — but that’s what the thread is supposedly about so idk why he didn’t stick with it. Not that there is such a thing as right and wrong.

It’s really not all that liberating when no one and no reality is left. And as soon as it’s recognized, it’s too late. The worst experience is then equal to the very best one. Party’s over ? It also is of course absolute liberation. But who is liberated?

Well that’s the truth... In every conceivable way ?

@Holygrail Though it’s not to say fear won’t come. The transition between normal everyday dreaming that you’re a person, to the true and obvious intuitive recognition that nothing has ever happened can be so jarring...

Sure it can’t be found, because it can’t be lost. But if one searches for what is true by turning away from the untrue until no knowing remains, what’s left is the singular, unmoving, inconceivable, simple, timeless truth.

Solipsism is actually a trap. The true nature has no self existence. The I in everyone is the same I, but it’s an illusion. The truth is not objective nor subjective, as the subject is really just a special type of object. No duality.

Was just about to say, Bentinho Massaro is the one you’d want to consult for this particular issue.