Tim R

As for today (Oct. 26th, 08:35 UTC) 63% (n=57) are under 25 y/o

Now I'm the one who doesn't understand? Could you elaborate please?

@Carl-Richard It's not out of proportion to ask (although I was being sarcastic) whether we'd also get to call people dumb to "wake them up" from their deeply deluded state of mind. Leo claims this to be his intention, whenever you see him do this sort of thing. I (and apparently a few other people) don't quite buy into this explanation, since a) it doesn't target the right people b) it's not done the right way Or have you witnessed a case where it actually worked? "How can you be so dumb?" or "People who buy into conspiracies are some of the dumbest people in our society." "Oh thanks, man! Now that you've been rude to me I can see that I was deluded, thanks again!" This just doesn't fly.

What exactly don't you understand?

Trump knows the answer to that one??

Ohhh this gonna be juicy af?

Well in that case it's not necessary to call them dumb either.

Lol this is great??

@Leo Gura Will you address the use of intuition in science? Most scientists don't like "airy fairy" things like intuition although they always use it and great discoveries stem from their intuition. "[...] it's a feeling into things that comes to answers and leaves no trail [...]. So you you you have it - but you haven't the argument for it and so it's power must reside in its truthfulness. So the power of intuition lies in its ability to express truth in contravention to the forward flow of logic and casuistry." (T. McKenna's description of intuition)

And now what? Do we get a license to call people dumb if it's for their own good? What about teachers in school? If some student is completely wrong, should they lovingly and humorously call them out for being stupid while hoping that it's still rude enough to confront them with their ignorance which then results in an epiphany? Although I can see how this is supposed to work, I think it doesn't, at least not in most cases. Because: if a person says something dumb enough to assume that it could be helpful to be rude enough to demonstrate to this person that he's wrong, calling them "dumb" is very, very likely the wrong choice. If Leo would call me dumb I'd laugh about it because I know that I'm ignorant and because I don't take it seriously, but it's wrong to assume that most people (and above all if it's some random dude in the YT comment section) will react the same way.

Mostly when you read about Love on this forum, it's not love as an emotion. It's Love as a description of the existential nature of reality (it sounds pious and airy fairy, I know). It is a quality of reality, it "encompasses" reality - reality/existence is Love. Maybe this helps: I have only glimpsed Love but let me dare to try to explain it to you?

Dude, if it helps I'd be very thankful, so go ahead?

Agree. But you do see how this whole situation could be regarded to be just like any other "argument" (although this of course isn't one) that flew off the rails into the domain of insulting people? (aka someone doesn't agree with you and you call them dumb?) You see, that's my whole point. Okay, you say you want to wake them up - great, keep doing that. But I think calling people dumb does more harm than good. I doubt it very much that this particular person will have awakened to his/her ignorance by your comment. Yes, I like that too.

I can accept that, at least partially. I didn't call you out because I personally feel attacked or anything, I just didn't understand this sort of behavior. Of course you could argue "oh well sometimes people need a rude approach to shake them up", but how do you explain this for exapmle: How is asking someone "how he/she can be so dumb" helpful? To me it just seems rude.

In general? Well, since it's unnecessary and not helpful to anyone so I'd say disappointed. When Leo does it? Puzzled and a bit more disappointed.

First of all, I could very well argue that there are no dumb people because everything is relative. But that's not the point. The point is, that you insult people. Why would you do that? This is like saying "oh but this person really IS fat!! I'm just stating the obvious!" Doesn't matter. I know not a single teacher who calls people dumb only because they either have other views or are less developed.

Welp... Sheds some new perspective on Peterson. I gotta say, I like Peterson, but rather for the sharpness of his intellect. Too bad and ironic that he fails to recognize such simple things as presented by Maté:

If you're so sure about it all why did you even ask in the first place? Seems to me like a slightly exaggerated reply but ok. Just wanted to help, jesus..

@Javfly33 I think you're overthinking this big time... If there's fomo in your life, how about you deal with that first, before you go looking for God and Infinity, hm? Whether people are awake or not should not concern you in the least, it doesn't matter to you? You have so much time left exploring things like God, Infinity and all this other stuff, so take it easy. It's not helpful (at all) to speculate about any of it. Stop taking the things Leo says for granted - because most likely, it will just confuse you. If Leo says "reality is imagination" he might be lying or deluded. You won't find out by speculation. (But this is an other topic...) As I said, I think it's the wrong approach to dealing with your fomo. Trying to fix fomo by trying to realize God/understanding Infinity is like nuking an insect. It's ridiculous. Yes, you get rid of the insect, but also of a lot more too, which might not necessarily be a good thing. Take it easy.❤

@Javfly33 Yeah, well, the point you missed is that there is no next life. Equally there are no past lives. All of infinity is gathered right here, right now. Trying to "cure" fomo by awakening to God and Infinity is like attempting to kill some bug with a nuclear bomb. It would work, but it's kinda not the right way.

@Nahm Really? That sounds pretty interesting, what tension are you talking about exactly and why is there a tension in the first place?

No. Since you are aware of your body and of your mind, neither of them could be the source of your perception (awareness). Your mind and your body occur within your awareness As a matter of fact, your awareness has no source at all - however, it is the source of everything "else".

@Craigxt22 Don't worry, this can happen to some people. A few weeks ago a friend of mine took some mushrooms and the next day he experienced some headaches for the whole day. I looked it up and found this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3345296/ So it's alright and no cause for concern, it'll pass.

In this very moment I'm standing at the market place of our town, listening to a Christian "street preacher". He's holding a Bible, yelling all those usual things like "God is the way, live your life in the name of God, God loves you, no matter what happens in your life, whether you're sick, lonely, in despair, God is always there for you! Turn your life around and receive the love of Jesus his son, so your soul may go to heaven!" And so forth and so on... As I'm observing all of this, people busily pass by.." Oh shut up, man!!"? some guy yells. And old man slowly walks along, mumbling to himself,"He doesn't help me tho". "Oh my God this" f*cking idiot..." a younger dude says to his girlfriend as they pass in front of me. Nobody pays attention, just me sipping my coffee, amused, (still) leaning on a building. "It's such a pity that they don't see" I think to myself. When I was younger, I was like that dude who yelled "shut up" (although I would've never done that). It's funny. I guess many folks on the spiritual journey are actually very similar to that preacher. Otherwise I wouldn't have said "They don't see". Cause that's what everyone thinks. There's massive ignorance on all levels of development and I think that is probably the most important thing to remember.

That's exactly the point?