Tim R

@Enlightenment Doesn't matter, because the point Leo was trying to make in that video is that you can't see a system as a whole from within itself. You have to go meta if you want to understand until you can't go any more meta - aka infinity. You can't get past infinity. Which is also the same as saying that the universe is groundless.

Spot on, that's a perfect description. @something_else Thank you. It sounds so reasonable, but now, when I need my ability to stay reasonable, everything just flies out the window and I succumb to fear... It's a relief to hear that I'm not alone.

@Zion You have to honest with yourself, then you'll know. Say you want to break an addiction and you try, but only halfheartedly. If you're honest with yourself, you will automatically know that this wasn't the best you could do. But if you really give everything you have and it still doesn't work, you can seek help with a clear conscience. Help only works because it adds to your capacities. Help might give you the remaining 10% you didn't have. But if you don't really try in the first place, help will probably not be enough. Which is why honesty is so crucial. It will tell you when you need help, because you'll have a clear conscience. That's the function of your conscience, it tells you where to go and what to do, it's what keeps up your integrity.

@ivankiss Thank you, good Sir❤ that helped a bit

Lmao?? You guys, why are you so hung up on "solipsism"? You will never know - besides, what do you even want to know? And how would you know, anyway? All you know for sure, is that there is, what there is, whatever it might be. You think you have a point of view, which is semi true. Solipsism is a problem only for an ego. What do you think would it feel like to look at the world through my eyes? Obviously just like through your eyes, it's still you who's looking. There is only YOU. Only you don't know who you are?

Best regards, The devil

Exactly. @Preety_India Hmm never thought about that. In order to compensate, one must feel the need to compensate, one must feel lacking. Which in the case of "loving people who need your love" (like family/friend/neighbors) will probably arise out of a sense of guilt. "You must love your family", this sort of thing. And once again we're at "thou shalt love the lord thy god". Or, it's compensation in form of the spiritual ego kick (which is probably what you meant?). Which would make up for the felt "unspirituality" and one's judgement of oneself if one doesn't love Hitler. True, but everything after that is just talk. Yes, the universal love is valid in the moment, but if after that one simply falls back into toxic, destructive and hateful behavior, one hasn't really understood. Because nothing is understood unless you remember - aka embody. Edit: I think I'm wrong concerning understanding and embodiment. Understanding isn't based on remembering. Long-term embodiment however, is. I think. Gotta contemplate this a little more. Help pls??

Of course, but how many people have actually realized this? And not only realized, but who actually embody this love? Rare, rare, rare, rare... It's one thing to feel intense universal love for the most "horrendous" crimes in existence of humankind when one is on psychedelics, it's a whole other ballgame to retain it after the trip.

100% And the funny thing is, that this display of alleged love only happens out of a feeling of actually perceiving Hitler as an evil person. Which is the moral source for this "holier than thou" attitude. So in order to make this "holier-than-thou-" thing work, you must judge Hitler in the first place. Because only then you can pretend to love him in spite of perceiving him as a sinner, in order to get a big spiritual ego kick. Which you of course would never ever admit. "loving the sinner" - but how can you love someone if you perceive him as a sinner? it's a Koan. I don't love Hitler. But I don't hate him either. (and I won't mention the fact that Hitler doesn't actually exist ) In our culture we're supposed to ardently hate Hitler as the incarnation of metaphysical evil. So people who really want to behave subversively and pretend that they're oh so holy say they can love Hitler. But this is what is meant by "thou shalt love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Go ahead, try to "love" something or someone that/who you simply don't love. "Thou shalt hate Hitler with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." Now that's a Koan for you. Can you? Why not try to do that? Because it isn't spiritual? Because you think you're not supposed to hate people? Because you think you're supposed to love Hitler? You're fooling yourself?

Apparently things are coming together... Quantum entanglement has been observed at the macroscopic level, which is pretty cool. Though we're still talking about matter the size of one 5th the width of human hair, compared to the masses involved in quantum mechanics, this is absolutely enormous. Article https://www.sciencealert.com/quantum-entanglement-has-now-been-directly-observed-at-a-larger-macroscopic-scale Paper report https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6542/622

Seriously tho, at this point, I'm not so sure that Peterson hasn't tried multiple Psychedelics. I know that he has done mushrooms and I also think acid. He must be so damn curious... He knows about DMT, I bet you he also knows about 5-MeO... Lol he even knows about Terence McKenna?? He's hiding something, fo sho

Sorry, the title might sound misleading, didn't think about it?

@Holygrail Great, you're going in the right direction. Notice, that even to call there anything "it" or "the actual thing" is the same as using any other words. @karkaore The answer to that question can't be understood by using language itself

I wonder if JP will ever see the video and what it would do to him

Ahh ok nevermind, now I get it. JP makes people paranoid, true. Title is appropriate, sorry. I'm still much too biased in favor of him?‍♂️

@Carl-Richard Of course it does, but not as bluntly

@Leo Gura Why did you choose to name the video "What's wrong with JP"? Why not something like "Understanding Jordan Peterson", something that doesn't trigger so many of your orange/blue viewers? I think that might give a wrong impression of what you're actually saying in it, I feel the video title isn't as neutral and nuanced as the content of it.

This video will get a lot of views for sure... Nice. Thank you @Leo Gura, made my day❤

Also, don't try to fall asleep. @Someone here Any idea what could be the cause of your insomnia?

@Someone here I don't understand your confusion. You seem to understand, at least on a conceptual level, that "the world underneath" all labels is "nothing". Yes, but it's also not different. Noooo void the void. Till there's nothing to void and nothing that could've even been voided. You're still clinging to the last label, "something". edit: you're treating the label "something" as "nothing" and vice versa. there isn't even nothing, that's how much nothing Nothing is. Goddammit words are clumsy. Find out for yourself, we obviously can't tell you about nothing.

@Nahm What does "Nahm" mean?

Don't forget @Mu_ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLQHfrr1W0rdi5HuIDHTwA/videos

"Books"? Wow. Sounds like a lot of work. I imagine writing one is hard enough, but multiple books? Damn. @Preety_India What exactly are the different topics you cover in your books?

Oh boy I can't wait for the book it's your life's work and you're still relatively young. Infinite potential for exploration.... You're probably going to write more than one book, I assume? In your later years maybe?

Don't talk to him, I think he wouldn't anyway. Imagine how he'd react if he found Leo's videos. Might've already happened, who knows.. Probably he'd suffer cognitive dissonance because at first, Leo seems like an ordinary self help guru with interesting videos on philosophy and epistemology - but then he'd find the other videos. And then... well, he would simply not know what to make of it. Leo would seem like a crazy man to him. I think JBP gets a lot more shit than he deserves tbh. I don't agree with many of the things he says and if you can manage to separate the political stuff from the psychology stuff (though both are sometimes intertwined), you can learn a lot from him. A few years ago, he helped me lift myself out of a pretty dark hole, so maybe I'm slightly biased in his favor. 2hr sounds good