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? is that how you view the community , it would be unfortunate if it is ?

This was hands down the best post ive ever read on this forum, amazing! ? Powerful message, source is vibrantly awake within you. Meditation is amazing, and one can greatly benefit from them both, i would also say that, Meditation in a way is what we are, psychedelics shows us in a different way, like what the nature of YOU/Reality is but it is happening at insane speeds and one can't hold it, same can happen in meditation ofcourse, but I see meditation as what we are, awake presence, while psychedelics can show us in an instant what we can be and are. Both is so necessary for each other in a way, truly, like Ying and Yang, but in the end psychedelics is the one who gets left behind and one is just meditation, IE awake presence, which is in its nature complete omniscient but also like a paradox, total unknowing and a mystery. Unmanifest/manifest is exactly the same and one is not better then the other, just a distinction made by mind. Everything is after all Mind, if we use it in a much more broader sense then what people normal refer to ofcourse. The problem is that people ends up in camps, meditation vs psychedelics, which is a distinction mind is making, and if one is more present one can recognize that it is a completely illusory and pointless discussion since there is only this and it can appear as whatever. So this post of yours is important because you know both "paths" , if we have to label it. Good writing and excellent message man ? impressed. Unconditional love is what is, and meditation is that. Unfortuneatly for alot of people the word meditation can mean anything, but meditation is exactly the right word for it, but paradoxically one has to transcend it to become it instead, and it is just what is.? I feel that we have to be clearer in our way of using language about this, even tho it is the most difficult subject ever lol ? Like your communication, it is a clarity in it ? Ultimately , the realization happen that it is completely pointless in communicating about this, it is doomed to fail in a way since infinity, but what else is there to do really, it is enjoyable and it is still pointing to the Truth. Any way.. sorry for the rant ? you did a great job with this one ?

This video came up on my youtube feed thought it was interesting so might as well share it here, it was interesting to see her trip on 5 meo, INFINITY.

100% agree. It is always talked about the "nice side" of Infinity but it is not just nice sides ? The implications of it all is to mind blowing and fuc*ed up , but ultimately one has to accept and surrender even that but it aint easy?, we are on the event horizon of an infinite black hole which simultanously is a white hole. The vastness of the "unconcious " is staggering and frightening.. It is like this beast that has been asleep for a really long time and it is waking up more, there is no end or limit to it.. and that says it all ?? Infinity of horror haha..?? 4 real.

I am curious about why it is impossible to "experience " non duality, is it like deep sleep or something? Just a jump in "time" but it is pure bliss to sleep, the best ever ? Why do we enjoy deep sleep so much, is it because we like "non existence " ?, but it clearly also shows, that it is impossible to experience non existence and thats why it is a jump in time, same with death perhaps, or it could completely be different "bardo" realms, or just pure conciousness, no perceptions just bliss within itself, but since it is nothing it paradoxically is "looking" so hard for itself that it explodes into infinity, like , this is EXISTENCE, And then it also notices and creates itself, when nothing looks into the mirror it only sees infinity, but infinity / all possibilitys is somehow not ultimately true, or it is but it is not the whole truth, there is an intelligence and an order maintained, it is flowing effortlessly, a creativity, what is it that is creative, awake, timeless, in my life? This nothing is somehow self negating itself and thus becoming Infinite Mind, the power of Zero becomes itself as manifestation, it created itself, infinite intelligence, infinite power , infinite love, but that only "works" when there is "other", this is me and everything else is not me, but in fact nothing has absolutly no limits, it is what it is, but as it "takes" "form" of Infinite Mind / Imagination, it creates the universe, or rather becomes it, an analogy, imagine infinite mind daydreaming, but because there is nothing else, it starts dreaming everything and it has been dreaming forever now, so much so that we became lost in our own dream, but this is the only way to share love, this is the "tragedy" of existence, the seperate self longs for the unlimited, but paradoxically when it is found, the game is more or less over, and to remember that there never was another, so infinite power or intelligence does not mean anything without "others" because there is only formless infinity. There comes a possibility sometimes to radically destroy the illusion of existence and objective reality, but most won't take that step and starts to forget it instead. Hilarious tbh ??? This is just a story tho, but it is also coming from direct insight.

Aaah yes I understand where you are coming from, and I grant you that when you put it like that it do "make sense" like it could really be true, it seems convincing at the first glance , but I am at the same time conflicted, i really feel that Leo is authentic, behind the persona there is spirit and it speaks as well, but I've heard from close friends etc that they can experience him as a little "full " of him self. When I first came across Leo i couldnt watch him, not ready or just didnt resonate, but maybe a year later i came across him and it did resonate more then before. But it took alot of episodes listening to Leo that made me realize that, he might not have a likeable personality according to some, but he is coming from a place of sharing our true nature, even if it is reflected through a "finite" mind. But I do in my heart feel this, that his insight is valid, because ive verified alot of it directly, but that when he is sharing his rememberence of true nature it can easily be misunderstod as, i am much much more advanced then you all, and we interpret that as he has a large ego, who do he think he is claimimg this etc etc' because of how his "attitude" is, but I am saying that, despite his way of delivering and certain claims, he is legit. Sorry for the rant ?? Thanks for sharing your opinion btw, in a mature and grown up level.?

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Sometimes it can be just this, that stands in the way of realization, that you need to do something or be somewhere etc. That is the illusion, just try to BE, BEING without making judgement calls, what is it about you that has always been the same? If you sense it, it is pretty intangible, try to feel into it, or rather, let everything else go and just be in that non state. --------------------- But seeking and "exploring" has its place, one should not dismiss it as completly illusory, instead investigate the feeling, to whom does the seeking appear?

It is the paradigm of people having conciousness, it is precisely backwards ? But to even call this conciousness is still not quite right

Christopher Bach is great! Psychedelics offer glimpses into reality, it does not necessary mean it is permanent, but they are still radical and realization happens because psychedelic looses the veil. But he really had some great experiences ans his book : Diamonds from heaven. Is awesome. I like how he conclude that, he thought there was an end point to this journey, only to realize that it became more and more infinite, it never stops, and then he stopped the psychedelic trips if I remember correctly. In the end it is all about coming back to "Earth" and too embody it, but embodiment is endless, the infinite possibilitys is constantly creating. A nothing, a truly nothing "substance" which is all this, endlessly creative, being it all, veiling itself from itself only to re unite with itself. What an infinitly amazing no thing you are.

@Flyboy Absolutely i agree, but I do feel that you are projecting a bit off on Leo, since language is bound to contradict itself when it comes to the path and non duality. It is a complete letting go of all concept and experiences, and you only land here, day to day life, you become "a normie" But that does not necessary inherently contradict the realization of GOD or what this is. ofcourse liberation can happen, since you are GOD ? But the liberation is not necessarily the ultimate truth or that it is past and beyond GOD, it just is different in "feeling" or in how reality appears. But it is beyond the concept of God, like nature, does not call it self nature, but paradoxically it does, through minds. But the meta logic is that, it can appear as liberation and GOD, what is that? Or it can be exactly as it is with no "delays" pure GOD in a way. The creativity of ___ is what is being noticed, IE GOD IE unlimited in what ever way it IS. You don't transcend GOD, you are letting go of what you thought GOD was. Or rather, became it, closed the loop. But notice also, that if you compare how Leo is doing with 5 meo and the trips, is non different really from other means, but in the end all means get's transcended, there is really no where to go except here, to BE. but it has to be clearly seen. BEING. But it does not necessarily entail that psychedelics is pure delusion. It just shows the magic the universe is capable of pulling off, like a magician pulling a rabbit out of the hat. Freedom is letting go of it all, becoming a baby almost in innocence. But that is not necessarily Leo's goal either, he cares about exploring and going deeper, atleast it has been like that if one looks at his path. I totally agree that psychedelics can be a road to Hell in terms of getting you distracted from the path. And IT sure can be of Mind the experience with psychedelics and even meditation, but Mind expands to Infinity, and infinity is literally infinity, all possibilitys, but it is mind that in a way collapses potentiality into actuality. Exploration is infinite, literally, it goes on forever, but both liberation and exploration has happend and will happen "again" I mean how did you forget liberation to begin with? I think it is just different ways of communicating the nameless, ultimatly everything has to be letting go off. But at the same time, wtf is there to do ? I think you guys would get along just fine if you could talk and listen like babys, soaking in each other, and you would realize that you are the same and you are just arguing about yourselfs. or non selfs.

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I agree, having a relationship takes up your time and it requires your effort into that relationship, it definetly stands in the way for success, atleast 9/10, it is a sacrifice to be in a relationship, but it also is awesome to be in a relationship with a person who is very self concious. But I think that you wouldn't be where you are today if you got commited into a relationship instead. But I am indeed happy that you chose the path that you did bro! Actualized.org would probably don't exist

There is a difference imo. I would agree with Leo that you can realize there is no self and what you thought you were is an illusion, you are the conciousness aware of everything. But there is also a distinct insight into the nature of what conciousness is, not just that you are IT. Big difference

Indeed, this is purely nameless but it is completly unlimited in that, we can't box it at all, and label it. It escapes everything because it is the very thought which is labeling, the knife can cut everything but it self ?

True that, and his masterpiece, The nature of conciousness, amazing book by Rupert.

Great pointers! Just rest as awareness without trying to force anything is setting up the condition for spontaneous insights and awakening. Also if you can rest as yourself when walking and talking , you may notice that you are almost levitating, it feels like floating, totally empty just like a ghost, and then non locality might happen, you are everywhere and nowhere, it is pretty radical i would say

Yeah usually everyone agrees, but awakenings get interpreted afterwards by minds and that can create a seemingly contradiction between each other, but usually that is just semantics but unfortuneatly it gets defended alot. Today i feel that it is mostly buddhists, theravada etc that is contradicting other non dual traditions.

Because he is you speaking to you about what you are.

Guys cool down and stop going for attack that Leo is not awake, he is not, since Leo is a fiction. All of the sudden there is alot of buddhist here, and that is nothing wrong with that at all, but buddhism is a religion with full of dogmas and that should be understod aswell. There is plenty of maps towards awakening and if buddhism fits you then go for it, but don't take a buddhist word when it comes to GOD, it is like listening to an atheist explain GOD. And awakening is not necessarily a permanent realization either, but then again it is because source recognizes its own being. But I see alot of bias against psychedelics here, to me it feels like people who uses them is immature and probably need alot of grounding to do before going into it. But just because it didnt work for "you" does not mean it does not work for anybody else. Psychedelics show you the truth as well, if you are concious enough.

@Thought Art It starts out as reading pages devouring content of a spiritual teacher etc, but there comes a time when the "seeker" exhaust itself sorta, to completely let go, one paradoxically discovers heaven right here and now. ?

Absolutly beatiful ❤?

Yes please do share what you find. Ive contemplated this topic for a long time and it is still a mystery but yet there are very convincing insights into what this really is, and many times also, reality is radical and paradoxical because it does not exist , but it does exist too, it imagines itself somehow into existence. But the thing is also, if non existence is the source so to speak, then I am impressed with the power that brought this and then we almost land in the creator GOD view, like some Christians believe. But from what ive found is that, timelessness is what this is, presence has always been here, but the finite minds which appear within it like thoughts made manifest has a birth date, and it is this illusion that makes you forget the presence that you are, but funny enough it is only clearly seen when there is no you ??

And just how can non experience give rise to experience? Pretty magical the non experience place, so this nothing somehow has a potential for existence?

The question then becomes, what was before experience?