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Thats a really legit explanation mate!

@Origins The thing is that a psychedelic experience recontextualise what conciousness/mind/experience is, and it shows its true color when you have an total ego death. You die and turn into pure conciousness it feels like, and conciousness is being/knowing and at those states it refocuses on its self even tho awareness is always itself, but I would claim that awareness can know everything about itself, but not when the ego character is there to limit your focus down.

@Origins I get you brother and it is good to question this claims, but the only way to really see if what we are talking about is true is to use psychedelics yourself, i cant really explain the infinity i felt but it went on forever until i opened my eyes and then my room melted instead haha ? The thing is you cant really explain how the experience is, not properly anyhow, I would recommend starting out with LSD and use it like 10 times before moving on to dmt and so forth, then you will see what mind can do, it is insane. Like I said when I got a hit on the imagination possible in conciousness, I called it infinite imagination cause of the different states and "worlds" it produced, I cant see where the limit on it would be? And what would limit it to be anyway it wants? This states of conciousness is so radicaly different from ur state now that you cant comprehend the different experience it produces. I think psychedelics is awesome when it comes to metaphysics investigation. I looked my self in the mirror and my body and face changed into 1000 different faces in just a fel minutes and it even became and ape and a reptile it was insane for me. But u are right i cant name infinitly many different states and so forth, tho I can intuite in those states that infinity is totally real and true. I appreciate this conversation mate u should know that

@Origins I have experienced what i can percieved as infinite, but cant knlw that for sure but my being did know, the mind just cant grasp it afterwards, but you are right as well, infinity is endless so I wont be able to. Tho I wanna ask you if you if have any experience with psychedelics? And if you do how many trips and so forth?

@Origins I it is infinite because its zero, the universe, time , space, experience, everything it holds. So it is itself not something objective and it imagines time. So it is eternal. This you can know and become concious of. And we can say that, well yeah thats just an experience or hallucination, yeah well everything you have ever known is a hallucination/experience, experience is the only game in town. Creation as well. Thats why we can say that infinite conciousness prior to imagining a world is infinite and unlimited. And you can become this pure awareness for a while and thats when all the understanding and knowing hits you

@Origins It would take alot of time and ofcourse and not even sure I can find that many, but if we can say that being hungry is a different state of conciousness then being full. Sad Glad Angry Hungry And so forth, But lets say the vision that you can get on psychedelics, like I saw different worlds produced, like 1 world in 1 sec and it stretched beyond beyond beyond both up and down and left and right. This is just one experience on one trip. A different were when on my lsd trip i recognized that everything I thought was life didnt really exist, spirituality and everything is just imagination as well, this forum is a creation in my head and so forth, and the thing is my girlfriend who is not interested in this things woke up at the same time as me, she knew she was god and I was to, and then she slowly turned into me and we sat beside eachother and she turned into me and when I moved she moved, I hugged myself, she was no longer there, and then my living room turned into a black hole almost, everything got sucked in into it except me and my girl but she was me, I was scared to death srsly. Then awareness vibrated in it self and it woke up, it knew it was god and immortal and it is all alone. This was the most fucked up thing ive ever experienced, I realized i imagined my parents as well and that I have always existed as this nothingness and It got NO where to go. I dont know how you explain that away. Hallucination in the brain? Yeah well your everyday life is a hallucination in ur brain as well. The brain itself is nothing but conciousness. I recognized that conciousness is only empty awareness, it is zero dimension and it does not even exist yet it is existence itself, it sorta dreams existence into being. If we leave awareness as it is, it is NOTHING. It is scary to recognize that life is a hallucination and eveything that you see is empty, this is happening inside a void. This void is awareness as formless. I saw and felt it holding my entire visual field and the world as I experienced, it was nothing, void. It is like everything dissapears but what is it that remains? Awareness, and it is eternal. Awareness knows itself. I can't give this experience justice by using words, it is a knowing that hits you like a ton of bricks lol ? And ive head multiple OBEs and they are also fucking insane, conciousness is projecting itself. Like dreams, ur conciousness dreams up a world and characters and it is as real as this world. Ive seen and felt the potential conciousness has for different worlds and realitys. You intuite ur infinite nature, there is no end ro what conciousness can produce, atleast in my own experiences, and infinity is a proper word for it, even if it was not infinite, what would limit it to not being infinite? Nothing is outside of awareness, so infinity is something it can hold, but ultimatly awareness is no thing and no shape or form or anything like it, it is blankness but it exists. I know it sounds weird but Cheers m8!

@Origins I hear what you are saying, but the thing is tho, all you have ever experienced is experience itself, or we can say all you ever known is awareness itself cause you can't find something outside of it, so to hold things about reality which does not correlate with ur experience is a belief. And iam in no way claiming that I know the highest truth, but from what I've gathered through out experience is that it has infinite potential to be anyway it wants, or awareness has infinite potential to actualize a world or reality. So if we can conclude that experience is all that you will ever know, and when an experience is so radical and different then you are used to, like high on a psychedelic, you see the potential that there is for conciousness to concieve of things unimaginable to the limited form you now embody. So lets say I experience for example on psychedelics, that everything you thought you knew about reality was wrong, you are not a limited finite body, you are that awareness which holds the body and the limited mind inside of it. It is safe to conclude that there is an infinite amount of different states of conciousness. One can be the state of which you are aware of the infinite imagination of conciousness. Another one can be the infinite peace and love awareness can be. Another one can be the nothingness and emptyness which this world truly is. And by no means tho is one state of conciousness the truth. The truth tho through all of our experience whether sober or high or sleeping, is that conciousness is everything and is creating everything and this you experience, and there is no separate entity who has an experience, it is conciousness experiencing itself in an infinite variety of ways. And your perception and awareness is nothing but conciousness itself. So perception and sensing and thoughts is a configuration of awareness in order to hold this world as rigid as it is, but conciousness has infinite potential of different states. Cause the truth is that awareness is truly a Zero. So maybe in 100 years we have a psychedelics that lets you explore different things. And the thing is tho, the thing ive realized is that you think that you have a free will and you concieve of things in the world, but there is no entity there, its just awareness doing its thing and that is you, you are the screen and the movie, but at the ultimate truth you are but a screen. And in "my" case i have several insights both sober and in other states that awareness =existence=truth. But we are using language and this stuff is prior to language, but one thing is clear, all you have ever experienced is ur own mind, and how that mind works is different on everybody. But one universal truth we all know if we look is : IAM. And if people on this forum have experienced "GOD" mode on psychedelics and even "sober" through contemplation and so on, there is a truth to it, atleast when you experience it yourself. But this does not mean that its the only truth. The only truth is existence itself. Which is awareness. The mystics have claimed the same thing through out history, reality is infinite conciousness aka = GOD. When you know you know thats all I can say about it. But im def open to more things about conciousness, but what has been seen can never be unseen either. And if you have not experienced such a radical state then you wont think its real

@Cosmin_Visan I think when it comes to psychedelics you lubricate your mind who is otherwise pretty rigid and it opens up the mind to different possibilitys, but also on psychedelics you can become directly aware of awareness itself and it can recognize its own eternal nature. Like for me on my trips i recognized that "imagination" is awareness way of creating a world. But awareness itself can't really point to itself other then a deep understanding of what it is. It was like a wake up, like really waking up, like oh yeah I just forget that I was this awareness and iam immortal, even in deep sleep thats awareness without any objective things that it concieves of. So even if we suppose that when you die it will be like deep sleep, awareness is still there and will always be there, either as a finite perspective or as its original state, infinity. I also think that psychedelics shows you that conciousness is capable of some radical states, for example people on salvia turns into a table or a glass of orange juice. It shows that conciousness can take on an infinite of different objects and points of view, like an infinite clay. So awareness in my experience is totally empty and nothingness and it is not even a thing, cause it has zero objective qualites, and in order to experience itself it needs to objectivfy its self as it self. Cause awareness is always there just different states. Awareness takes on a "mind" in order to create its world, and it splits itself of into an infinite variety of creatures and things, which in turn keep the world rigid and locked in. So yeah I think we got 1 conciousness but within it there is a infinite amount of points of view, so I think we are creating the world together using our conciousness and conciousness registers everything that happens in it, cause it is pure knowing in and of it self

I would say that awareness is knowing/understanding.

@peachboy Makes alot of sense, it will always be what is it, infinite conciousness, all that there is. Forever, just different dreams, there is not something called non existence, where would awareness go thats already nothing

Haha bam ???

@Moksha Amen to that brother!?

@Breakingthewall If I may say , psychedelics has helped me alot of showing what consciousness can do , or what conciousness holds within it, it is truly powerful, and can be in alot of different states then just waking dreaming deep sleep, awareness itself can take on alot of radical states, it shows what possible. It is GOD cause it is thr best term for it. But this is not a personal thing, everyone of us has infinite potential for different realitys, but not from a waking state conciousness, it takes alot of longer time to manifest things here

I think this text tells it perfectly

@Origins Was thinking the same actually! Lets stop hijacking the thread =) Wish you all the best, perhaps you can elaborate on what Cosmin said?

@Origins Im unfortuneatly not that impressive with english as you so my vocabulary is not that impressive as yours as of yet. One thing I noticed is that you in a subtle way is trying to outsmart or dumb me down, which is not really a nice quality imo. This is thr feeling i get but I could be projecting as well. And I def agree that this thread is great and it is an investigation into reality which is nice. And ive might have rushed to conclusion without proper reading into what this thread was about. And im intrigued with science as well. Im open to hear your opinions and everyone elses aswell. But a serious and long conversation takes time and I was at work hence multiple posts. But I want to say that I enjoy ur writing style and I actually enjoy reading it even tho i can feel my ego get slightly triggered lol

@Origins And I will say that you make alot of valid points Ofcourse i still got my ego who gets triggered sometimes, and the ego wants to take the Credit of things. Im just trying to shine the light of awareness into my ego traps and im working on it. I appreciate your honesty.

@Will2gain Ofcourse people got the ego and we should all try to look past it mate. People are pointing towards something but language itself is dualistic and is interpreted wrong alot of times. But like I said in other posts, you can become concious of what consciousness is. And that will set "you" free. Rather awareness recognize its own nature.

@Origins And im not trying to be rude either mate. I think we can have good discussions about this things. But ultimately the truth is the truth. And I agree that we can talk about alot of other stuff aswell. And maybe im coming out a bit arrogant in the way i write. And for that iam sorry. One love

@Origins Where does thinking lead you but around in circles? Mind dont know anything about itself, awareness knows all. Im sorry if I offended you or if I sounded harsch. But this is from my own experiences and Truth is so raaaaaadical. And the only thing I actually pointed out to cosmin was that conciousness is all and so forth is not an idea or flower power concept. It is the Truth. And I told him that we need people like him.

@Origins And when you have an awakening experience, the YOU is gone and it is awareness becoming aware of its very nature. Infinite awareness which includes infinite mind aka GOD the creator.

@Origins @Cosmin_Visan Sorry for tagging you cosmin but can't seem to erase the tag. First off. This is not a belief a dogma or anything else. This is direct experience. For you to even be able to respond or be alive, you need awareness. So in your entire life you think that you have been a seperate entity with a body and a mind and everything outside of you is not you. But if we really look into your experience you will notice that awareness is actually the Truth, Between your thoughts what is there? If you still ur mind you notice what is always there, it is awareness, and notice that all of ur life you have been experiencing objective stuff so awareness has been in the background, but when the mind "ceases" the nature of conciousness shines forth, total emptyness and its "qualites" is awareness and awareness is knowing. You know thanks to awareness itself. And you have not experienced something outside of awareness and you never will. No one will. Like I said, my own direct experiences have been a knowing into what consciousness is. So we can conclude that to know existence is to know awareness, they are ONE. And the mind, aka perception feeling sensing thinking is at the ultimate level awareness itself. I have become directly concious of what consciousness is. It is unlimited infinite empty of anything. But it creates the mind in order to experience objectivity. So no this is not a belief. Look for yourself instead of coming and arguing about beliefs. There is nothing outside of awareness, you can believe it is something outside, but see this, everything you think is outside of it, is actually inside of it. And btw, this is not something im thinking up. This is purely direct experience through meditation and psychedelics. Meditation btw is ur original state as awareness. Awareness contains all. This is not an idea. Look at ur experience and stop mental masturbation to sound clever.

Materialistic science has cause immense separation between humans. Non duality brings us closer to each other

@Will2gain I would fight you to my death? But im not afraid of dying any more cause the thing that dies is not real anyway. Infinite awareness cant die cause it is already nothing.