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@Leo Gura what are ur thoughts on her views?

In order to experience something infinite conciousness imagines differences inside of it self and takes the form of mind and body, but ur pure awareness conciousness is not moved by experience, what is there for god to do but to experience itself? Creation is limitation but it is also love, we have desires in our heart looking for something, the thing you are looking for is GOD. But in order to experience differences it limits itself and forgets that it is GOD and creates a world and different points of view. But you never left infinite conciousness.

Yep ur personality and the one you think is you is not real, but you have been conditioned ur whole life by society so it can take alot of time to see through the ego, keep investigate what the I thought points to and feel into it, try to hold it.

Have listened to a couple of episodes and I think he is OK actually!

@bensenbiz Thanks m8! I actually do alot of self inquiry and staying in the present and trying to feel into different sensations in the body and head and investigate the I thought. I do this at work and everywhere I can, thats whats good with self inquiry, can do it anywhere.

Since I started doing serious meditation and self inquiry i have noticed multiple times like a mini awakening that iam actually a dot who renders my body and world lol it is such a weird feeling to look at ur arms and really see through it and they are not really real somehow. And when im totally in the present and walking and observing everything around me, im not really moving or going anywhere, the world moves, such a strange feeling. Like im walking on the same spot just different scenes

@cuteguy haha the funny thing is bro my intuition is actually telling me that iam waking up like for real, I got small realizations kinda often it feels like, feels like it builds up. Life is amazing

@Bulgarianspirit True like an feedback loop

@cuteguy lol true!! There is no difference with inside and outside either, reality is so god damn magical!!

Yeah and peoples trip on salvia where they turn into a glass of orange juice or a coffee table lol ? all things is conciousness in there own way

haha indeed ketamine is sick! My whole world flipped on the side and I could hold my breath forever lol it was fucked up. Like those christmas balls you shake? The world was like that ?

Thats a really legit explanation mate!

@Origins The thing is that a psychedelic experience recontextualise what conciousness/mind/experience is, and it shows its true color when you have an total ego death. You die and turn into pure conciousness it feels like, and conciousness is being/knowing and at those states it refocuses on its self even tho awareness is always itself, but I would claim that awareness can know everything about itself, but not when the ego character is there to limit your focus down.

@Origins I get you brother and it is good to question this claims, but the only way to really see if what we are talking about is true is to use psychedelics yourself, i cant really explain the infinity i felt but it went on forever until i opened my eyes and then my room melted instead haha ? The thing is you cant really explain how the experience is, not properly anyhow, I would recommend starting out with LSD and use it like 10 times before moving on to dmt and so forth, then you will see what mind can do, it is insane. Like I said when I got a hit on the imagination possible in conciousness, I called it infinite imagination cause of the different states and "worlds" it produced, I cant see where the limit on it would be? And what would limit it to be anyway it wants? This states of conciousness is so radicaly different from ur state now that you cant comprehend the different experience it produces. I think psychedelics is awesome when it comes to metaphysics investigation. I looked my self in the mirror and my body and face changed into 1000 different faces in just a fel minutes and it even became and ape and a reptile it was insane for me. But u are right i cant name infinitly many different states and so forth, tho I can intuite in those states that infinity is totally real and true. I appreciate this conversation mate u should know that

@Origins I have experienced what i can percieved as infinite, but cant knlw that for sure but my being did know, the mind just cant grasp it afterwards, but you are right as well, infinity is endless so I wont be able to. Tho I wanna ask you if you if have any experience with psychedelics? And if you do how many trips and so forth?

@Origins I it is infinite because its zero, the universe, time , space, experience, everything it holds. So it is itself not something objective and it imagines time. So it is eternal. This you can know and become concious of. And we can say that, well yeah thats just an experience or hallucination, yeah well everything you have ever known is a hallucination/experience, experience is the only game in town. Creation as well. Thats why we can say that infinite conciousness prior to imagining a world is infinite and unlimited. And you can become this pure awareness for a while and thats when all the understanding and knowing hits you

@Origins It would take alot of time and ofcourse and not even sure I can find that many, but if we can say that being hungry is a different state of conciousness then being full. Sad Glad Angry Hungry And so forth, But lets say the vision that you can get on psychedelics, like I saw different worlds produced, like 1 world in 1 sec and it stretched beyond beyond beyond both up and down and left and right. This is just one experience on one trip. A different were when on my lsd trip i recognized that everything I thought was life didnt really exist, spirituality and everything is just imagination as well, this forum is a creation in my head and so forth, and the thing is my girlfriend who is not interested in this things woke up at the same time as me, she knew she was god and I was to, and then she slowly turned into me and we sat beside eachother and she turned into me and when I moved she moved, I hugged myself, she was no longer there, and then my living room turned into a black hole almost, everything got sucked in into it except me and my girl but she was me, I was scared to death srsly. Then awareness vibrated in it self and it woke up, it knew it was god and immortal and it is all alone. This was the most fucked up thing ive ever experienced, I realized i imagined my parents as well and that I have always existed as this nothingness and It got NO where to go. I dont know how you explain that away. Hallucination in the brain? Yeah well your everyday life is a hallucination in ur brain as well. The brain itself is nothing but conciousness. I recognized that conciousness is only empty awareness, it is zero dimension and it does not even exist yet it is existence itself, it sorta dreams existence into being. If we leave awareness as it is, it is NOTHING. It is scary to recognize that life is a hallucination and eveything that you see is empty, this is happening inside a void. This void is awareness as formless. I saw and felt it holding my entire visual field and the world as I experienced, it was nothing, void. It is like everything dissapears but what is it that remains? Awareness, and it is eternal. Awareness knows itself. I can't give this experience justice by using words, it is a knowing that hits you like a ton of bricks lol ? And ive head multiple OBEs and they are also fucking insane, conciousness is projecting itself. Like dreams, ur conciousness dreams up a world and characters and it is as real as this world. Ive seen and felt the potential conciousness has for different worlds and realitys. You intuite ur infinite nature, there is no end ro what conciousness can produce, atleast in my own experiences, and infinity is a proper word for it, even if it was not infinite, what would limit it to not being infinite? Nothing is outside of awareness, so infinity is something it can hold, but ultimatly awareness is no thing and no shape or form or anything like it, it is blankness but it exists. I know it sounds weird but Cheers m8!

@Origins I hear what you are saying, but the thing is tho, all you have ever experienced is experience itself, or we can say all you ever known is awareness itself cause you can't find something outside of it, so to hold things about reality which does not correlate with ur experience is a belief. And iam in no way claiming that I know the highest truth, but from what I've gathered through out experience is that it has infinite potential to be anyway it wants, or awareness has infinite potential to actualize a world or reality. So if we can conclude that experience is all that you will ever know, and when an experience is so radical and different then you are used to, like high on a psychedelic, you see the potential that there is for conciousness to concieve of things unimaginable to the limited form you now embody. So lets say I experience for example on psychedelics, that everything you thought you knew about reality was wrong, you are not a limited finite body, you are that awareness which holds the body and the limited mind inside of it. It is safe to conclude that there is an infinite amount of different states of conciousness. One can be the state of which you are aware of the infinite imagination of conciousness. Another one can be the infinite peace and love awareness can be. Another one can be the nothingness and emptyness which this world truly is. And by no means tho is one state of conciousness the truth. The truth tho through all of our experience whether sober or high or sleeping, is that conciousness is everything and is creating everything and this you experience, and there is no separate entity who has an experience, it is conciousness experiencing itself in an infinite variety of ways. And your perception and awareness is nothing but conciousness itself. So perception and sensing and thoughts is a configuration of awareness in order to hold this world as rigid as it is, but conciousness has infinite potential of different states. Cause the truth is that awareness is truly a Zero. So maybe in 100 years we have a psychedelics that lets you explore different things. And the thing is tho, the thing ive realized is that you think that you have a free will and you concieve of things in the world, but there is no entity there, its just awareness doing its thing and that is you, you are the screen and the movie, but at the ultimate truth you are but a screen. And in "my" case i have several insights both sober and in other states that awareness =existence=truth. But we are using language and this stuff is prior to language, but one thing is clear, all you have ever experienced is ur own mind, and how that mind works is different on everybody. But one universal truth we all know if we look is : IAM. And if people on this forum have experienced "GOD" mode on psychedelics and even "sober" through contemplation and so on, there is a truth to it, atleast when you experience it yourself. But this does not mean that its the only truth. The only truth is existence itself. Which is awareness. The mystics have claimed the same thing through out history, reality is infinite conciousness aka = GOD. When you know you know thats all I can say about it. But im def open to more things about conciousness, but what has been seen can never be unseen either. And if you have not experienced such a radical state then you wont think its real

@Cosmin_Visan I think when it comes to psychedelics you lubricate your mind who is otherwise pretty rigid and it opens up the mind to different possibilitys, but also on psychedelics you can become directly aware of awareness itself and it can recognize its own eternal nature. Like for me on my trips i recognized that "imagination" is awareness way of creating a world. But awareness itself can't really point to itself other then a deep understanding of what it is. It was like a wake up, like really waking up, like oh yeah I just forget that I was this awareness and iam immortal, even in deep sleep thats awareness without any objective things that it concieves of. So even if we suppose that when you die it will be like deep sleep, awareness is still there and will always be there, either as a finite perspective or as its original state, infinity. I also think that psychedelics shows you that conciousness is capable of some radical states, for example people on salvia turns into a table or a glass of orange juice. It shows that conciousness can take on an infinite of different objects and points of view, like an infinite clay. So awareness in my experience is totally empty and nothingness and it is not even a thing, cause it has zero objective qualites, and in order to experience itself it needs to objectivfy its self as it self. Cause awareness is always there just different states. Awareness takes on a "mind" in order to create its world, and it splits itself of into an infinite variety of creatures and things, which in turn keep the world rigid and locked in. So yeah I think we got 1 conciousness but within it there is a infinite amount of points of view, so I think we are creating the world together using our conciousness and conciousness registers everything that happens in it, cause it is pure knowing in and of it self

I would say that awareness is knowing/understanding.

@peachboy Makes alot of sense, it will always be what is it, infinite conciousness, all that there is. Forever, just different dreams, there is not something called non existence, where would awareness go thats already nothing