Lyubov

This issue I see here is that Owen claims that social skill and tenacity and charisma will beat money and physique every time, but the funny thing is on the other side I see coaches saying that money and physique will beat social skill, and tenacity every time in the long run. In fact a lot of those other social coaches will talk about how you don’t even have to go out, just build money and your physique and women will come to you… So you gotta realize that both of these groups want to sell you a course and at the end of the day, they’re gonna believe to a fault that their own system and world view because doubting it means they don’t have a product. They are just selling you beliefs. In reality you have to find what works for you and is authentic for you, inner wisdom. My belief is that the kingdom within is the guidance you need to authentically live and fulfill your desires in a way aligned with the universe. Where you are at peace, always, even during storms. If you are exceptionally in shape and you have a world class body, then play that up if it works for you and is in your flow. Do the same if it is money and you know how to leverage that, same with charisma. Go out a lot and talk to people and talk to women. It’s about finding what’s authentic for you and works best for you. I found my girlfriend by working on my social skills a bit but mostly by clearing beliefs that kept me feeling chronically nervous and afraid of being left. So just by clearing your mental health you can attract beautiful women.

He just has shitty physique and is too lazy or doesn’t have energy to change it, so this is how he copes. I’ve felt this way before too where I didn’t want to bust my ass in the gym because the pay off isn’t always great for dating. It’s true, don’t expect tons of gym training to suddenly make you top tier in meeting women. He knows to play up his business, money, lifestyle and tenacity because it goes farther for him and for most men who aren’t athletic. If you have good genetics and physique it definitely is a foundation most people don’t realize helps them a lot. You can sidestep this somewhat though if you are picking up girls in nightlife and have cash to make yourself stand out, or are relatively cultured and socialized. I do think he is right, training isn’t a cure all for a bad dating life. It should be done for the foundation of an overall good life, absolutely. I think there is a a high tier barrier though to really drawing in large volumes of the best pussy which is being in exceptional shape. A lot of the most beautiful women have really gotten on the wellness trends and want to meet a guy from their run club or whatever. If you want to date an instagram only fans model being in great shape helps a lot on top of being rich. I think a lot of really beautiful women also gravitate to beaches which being in good shape helps a ton if you are in a place like Miami. So I think it’s holistic, getting ripped is somewhat important if you want to live in a cool warm beach place or you gotta be loaded

Todd is the only person I ever spent money on for pick up information, back in 2018. It definitely felt overpriced and scammy. I would not help him. He got what he deserved from this and needs to let this shit go. RSD doesn’t even exist anymore.

Crazy how much drama came from RSD. 20% decent info 80% a scam. This is like being transported back to 2017 and hearing how a coach got fired.

Pick up / RSD community drama in 2025…. have I taken a time machine back to like 2017?

Yeah, I do agree. I think at the end of the day I try to just enjoy what I have and not put labels on it and model it too much. If a relationship is going well, don't sabotage it and just let it be. I think it's interesting to think about this stuff but at the end of the day just try the best for ourselves. I just don't want to see men or women used by some shady people out there who want to have their cake and eat it too. Both men and women have to be careful who they choose.

One thing I want to say is I try to hold these concepts loosely and not take them too seriously. Alpha and beta aren't exactly the nicest labels and they are very much open for interpretation. A lot of strange discussions in here where it seems like everyone is talking past each other and trying to make a different point. I have noticed that women, not all, but a decent % will sleep around and then come their late 20s to early 30s will get serious and definitely start being more conservative with their sexuality. The irony here is that basically the men who then get her now are having a woman who has slept a lot around, and what makes a woman sexually special to a man is her being exclusive. Of all the men who tried to get her, it was only you and maybe a select other few that could. This is a punch in the gut, men do NOT want a woman that lots of other men had. It ruins the intimacy and takes what is special about her away for men. "Alphas" basically have first dibs at this and get it quickly and a lot of it. So when it comes time to settle down you can usually assume a woman who is hitting that special age, has a lot of bodies if she is showing all the red flags for it. I've noticed basically there are women who aren't so sexual who seem to just not sleep around so much, and then those who shacked up early and got married early or were in a few really long term relationships, rare because of the heartbreak, most people don't have it in them to go through a massive break up like that multiple times. So naturally you can see the oil split from the water and there is more oil than water... You can assume about 50-70% of the time a woman that has been partying and is in her late 20s has easily hit a body count of 25+ guys. This is not nice for men!! Most men do not wants that. And I feel bad for the sorry guys who have been warped to think that shit is acceptable. I can barely accept this myself but it's also important to see past this and see how the woman has matured. Some actually mature and do make for a good partner but some stay stuck in their party faze and just rack up more and more bodies, I noticed these are the one who find a guy to manipulate most instead of seek a better partnership.

The fact that Israel is given a pass by so many people for its make believe story about how the land was promised to Jews thousands of years ago by the Bible is criminal.

Lmao bro…. LMAOOOOO 🤡 Israel hasn’t even existed for a single century……

Women by and large give it to men that in their mind they would want to rope into commitment or they see on a subconscious level as a provider / partner. This is inseparable from female sexuality. It’s simply not in women’s nature to ever consider sex with a man where on some deeper level they see him as weak or unworthy of mating with. This does not apply to men who are programmed to fuck every women, just fuck. Cause they are competing with other men and need to get their seed in as many as possible, their sperm race to the finish line. This is why women that sleep around are such a turn off. What women eventually learn and mature into is that they are hitting above their weight and they come back down after getting ran through by guys who are the prize. What turns them on and they desire isn’t always what they end up committing and setting to because the prize they were chasing had so many more options than them and wasn’t willing to throw that away. I think this is why you gotta be careful who you settle with. Is she basically desperate to settle down after giving it out to a bunch of guys she should of been more careful with or is she catching her prize? Women definitely adjust their standards. It’s why they will then say “I never would have dated this guy when I was younger.” It’s not the same as men saying it which usually means a more beautiful woman due to wealth and statues they acquired, for women it usually means a man that is more agreeable.

I think we are making different points. Brad Pitt is hella masculine, alpha and has tremendous status. I’m not talking about jacked guys vs guys who don’t take steroids. I’m talking about guys who get girls vs don’t (or have very limited choices). In no world do most woman prefer a beta male (guy who does not get girls and has extremely limited choices).

I wouldn’t strive for perfection or purity like this. You are just postulating and discussing ideals. The true end game is you talking responsibility for your life, not blaming anyone, not playing victim and really showing up for yourself to listen to that part of you some call the ego, some call the inner child. Come together as one and living true and authentic in a way that nurtures this, but then if you choose otherwise and feel sad about something, you learn from it instead of look to blame or play games with yourself. I wouldn’t say the point is to try to reach some ideal or expectation. Recognize first you create your negative emotions and you choose a busy mind thinking negative thoughts, inquire on why you choose that in the first place.

We can agree to disagree on this part. I have been around plenty of women to see the things I don’t prefer about them and that go against my survival strategy. I’m just observing. Most guys do not prefer a woman who has slept around and plays the field while they haven’t but unfortunately many men get that. I would look into why body count matters for women vs men. Essentially this is what women preferring a beta male culminates in. Maybe you are an outlier, I can assure you most women prefer a more masculine guy and give it away to plenty of guys, sometimes alphas sometimes just their experimenting, before settling on a guy who is usually willing to settle for them while she was off sleeping around and while he was working his ass off to get noticed.

I don’t disagree here. Most guys living pretty well and doing well need to make some concessions. Ultimately focusing on unfairness is a losing mindset.

Monogamy is basically to keep alphas and betas from going to war and all hell breaking loose, which is what is happening now in the western world. The betas are revolting and lining up to collect Pokémon cards. Gen z Incels voted Trump and tipped the scales. Beta men getting ran through western women has consequences on society. Decay. Label it the male loneliness epidemic if you want. It’s not that. They get plenty of socializing via discord. It’s hoeflation and too many beautiful women not being equally spread around, but going to the top due to wealth inequality.

They prefer the beta guys after getting ran through by men who have no interest in settling them (basically the prize men from the other thread we were discussing who is the prize) and they don’t afford the same sexual privileges and freedoms to the beta guy who definitely desires that which the alpha got. Moaning about chores, not sharing him with other women, making him provide everything for her, loading him up with tons of responsibilities. He’s basically selling himself short. Prized alphas provide and still get to do what they want.

Because a lot of women rack up a high body count and then manipulate their way to a beta guy who doesn’t know what he’s settling for. Basically ran through women connive their way to more naive men who deserve a better deal.

What’s wrong with that? Recognizing your own uniqueness and greatness and giving a middle finger to all comparisons. You are self sabotaging way more if you take note of and count every potential flaw against yourself if you start giving weight to what isn’t working for you. I don’t see how recognizing whether or nots looks mattering changes much (they obviously matter and should be maximized). I just don’t think it’s poisoned. Obviously one should be maximizing their looks physique the best they can, that can go a long way. You’re just arguing for your shortcomings if you put energy into focusing on what brings you down (if you aren’t willing to change them)

Awful deal for men.

He came down after a drug fueled bender. Classic coke head behavior.

He’s so fucking high… He is high as shit on cocaine and ketamine.

I don’t doubt what you are going through is unbelievably challenging. I have no logistical advice since this is not something I’ve ever been through and honestly you are living my worst fear. So I would keep your head held high and be proud knowing you are facing some shit most people would lose their pants over and you have been surviving, doing your best, which I definitely believe is true given what you wrote here. It will eventually change, really know this too will pass. Don’t go into that place of despair. You said yourself you meditate, so you know there is a kingdom within of peace and inner guidance. Drop the illusions. You are experiencing homelessness, you aren’t homeless. This doesn’t define you. It’s a hard chapter of life you will overcome.

Your own flat is very important. Maybe some people don’t give a fuck but I want some privacy. That’s a pretty tough mental barrier to overcome not having your own place and to live with parents. Pulling girls from one place to a better place is crucial. Logistics is very important. Unless you live in Brazil where you can just have sex on the beach.

It’s easier to be an incel now more than ever. For better or worse there is sort of a culturally acceptable mentality where people can sort of do as they want with less social stigma. You have grown men lining up to buy Pokémon cards. During my time stuff like this was stigmatized more and I knew I was headed down a dark path.

I believe they have to want to change. I only put out the offer. I am not putting any energy into going out to solve other people’s problems. The solution is ultimately awakening and self generated love for oneself and a genuine prioritization of wanting to align with truth which is difficult to do if you took the black pill since you are living from lies. I just remember there always being a force within me I stayed connected through this time of my life, indescribable, where even 1% of me believed I was worthy. A candle in the dark. I coped and did the best I could and one thing led to another where I remember having an insight come to me where I really questioned if I was so different and what made it true that I am bad. Since basically what all black pill people are believing is “I am bad.” I’m not sure it’s possible to get anyone to want to change. Maybe I was just blessed to have an epiphany here and there and some stuff to leverage myself. I am stubborn too which is sometimes a good thing if it’s in the right direction. It would have been way harder if I was financially broke or really short or sick through this whole time. I count my blessings. We are given a lot sometimes even through very challenging problems in life. I am glad I am where I am now but those inner child stories are something present sometimes. I’ve found resolution. It’s about accepting that now without forcing.