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    8 hours ago, The observer said:

    Notice how the mind assumes that if reality is "this" then it "should" or "shouldn't" be "that". I want you to see first that whether you think reality is nothing or something or everything or anything in between is irrelevant to what reality actually is. Consider the sunset analogy in my previous post. Reality is itself. The labels are fine as pointers if not confused for the actual thing. This confusion between thought and reality often causes trouble. Can you accept that if reality was "something" then there's no should statements for how it can be "something else"? After all, who sets the rules? If logic is a mental construct gained from a personal experience over a particular timeline, then how would you know logic is fundamentally true at all times? ( even though dreams prove it to be otherwise/fluid/changing). Also, how would you know that logic existed before you were born? Before the big bang? Etc.. Why would reality be logical? For God's sake, how's reality logical?! How's existence logical?! The beautiful feeling of wonder shows that there's something more to reality than just dumb logic. There is a mystery. Reality is mystical. How can reality even be?! Keep at it. Keep wondering. The answer is under your nose.

    As I said if I to even start the inquiry I have to start somewhere with certain assumptions. My assumptions are based on logic because that's the only tool I have other than my senses. So if you ask me to drop logic and reason there won't be any inquiry and I will be left with mystical reality where I simply don't know anything.

    9 hours ago, The observer said:

     

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    9 hours ago, The observer said:

    The answer to this question is very advanced. It is Infinite Love. But you probably have a distorted concept of that, which is not your fault. None of us knew without inquiring deeply using the question "why?" with genuine curiosity. I'd focus more on meditation and being able to see the thoughts from a detached position. The rest will unfold naturally.

    It's the same issue with saying that consciousness is the substance of reality and saying love is the substance. I can't make sense of this at all.. The word "love" in all human languages was made to describe the emotions that we feel admiration and attraction to other people or stuff... How is that the substance of the universe.?  You might say it in a metaphorical way in the sense that everything is in a union but I can't follow how is it that the very clay out of which everything was made is "love"?  Love is just an abstract emotion. 

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    9 hours ago, The observer said:

    1- Have you noticed that consistency and logic are not inherent features of this dream? Furthermore, have you noticed that these things don't exist unless you think of them? You might say that your direct experience says otherwise. Cool. Try to explain how it's so without using thoughts. Can you? That's how you imagine reality. Without imagination (i.e. awareness and not consciousness), you wouldn't know whether you're alive or existing or not.

    Well consistency and logic are inherent to reality.  Basic logical rules are undeniable otherwise we won't be able to have any discussion of any kind. The structure of language itself and communication and thoughts follows rational patterns.  And I think its there even if didn't thought of them or try to prove them.. A=A.. 1+1=2 and the whole is bigger than its parts are valid even if you claim otherwise. 

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    6 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

    We are not. That is a concept born out of ignorance. Consciousness is Reality is The Ground. I think Leo made a video about this very subject.

    There might be something beyond ‘simply logic’ and seeming contradictions waiting for you to discover ;)

     

    How can "consciousness" be the substance of reality?  I'm having a hard time figuring this one out.  Consciousness is apparently a quality that certain creatures have like humans and animals.. A rock ain't conscious for example.. It doesn't see or touch or smell or even know that it exists. Unless if you redefine the word "consciousness" to mean something else than what it was originally intended for. This "nothing" or whatever but i don't see any "nothing" here.. All i see are limited distinct things!

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    18 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

     

     

    These are the paradoxes of non-duality. Nothing = Everything.

    Like a hologram, it appears to be, yet is nothing.

    These answers aren’t found on the level of mind/thinking/concepts. This is why only you can discover the Truth. Nobody can give it to you. All we can do is give pointers. And we can only point so much.

    Thanks for trying to clarify but I still didn't get my answers. Nothing is not everything in my simple logic.. Nothing is not anything it's just a self contradictory concept. And again I'm open to the possibility that reality might be not what we think it is.. We might be living in a simulation.. I might be dreaming right now etc but that only means  that the substance of reality is not what we think it is and does not mean it's "unreal". The notion of reality being a total illusion just doesn't make any sense.

    So far my own investigation can't go beyond what is conventionally known that reality is just this material system with certain laws and logic to it and we don't know why it's there or what's beyond it but the only thing we can be sure of is that it's there and it's this way. 

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    How do you know this?   How is it possible that nothing imagines something?  If reality is absolute nothing it should be nothing forever and we can't be here even as an imagination. 0+0+0+0+0+0 to infinity is still zero!  If you have nothing at all you can't have something. If I want you to make me a meal I have to give you some raw material "food" to make thr meal. But if I give you "nothing" you won't be able to turn that nothing into food! 

    What does it mean "seems there but not really there".. It's either there or it's not.. It might be a mirage or a dream like but that doesn't change the fact that something of any kind is just there. Hope that makes sense. 

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    1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

    I can't show you.

    But a psychedelic can ;)

    Well I didn't try psychedelic but from hearing other people's stories it gives them mystical experiences and they start hallucinating stuff and then the chemical goes off and they are back to the normal perception of life.  I don't know why should we think  a hallucinating drug can give us explanation of the nature of reality. 

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    3 hours ago, Preetom said:

    Delusion, self deception and forgetfulness.

    Only a few lucky ones receive an Illuminating, vivid dream that re-contextualizes the waking state. Use it. Contemplate on your own questions you asked here. You already know the answers to them. The dream showed you the answers to it. Probe into the lessons and hints the dream trying to show you.

    @Someone here

    So far my contemplating led me to the following :

    1- the "real world" in the waking state is no different from the dream's world in terms of the apparent phenomenon. It's just that the latter is more consistent and more logical. 

    2- the substance of reality is completely unknown. Could be matter or imagination but that doesn't say anything about what it actually is!, 

    3 - also whether it be this or that I still don't know why anything exists at all whether it's matter energy awareness God etc 

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    6 minutes ago, Nemo28 said:

    The world is both unreal and real. This understading goes beyond thinking, it is the unification of opposites, it's what you are. There is nothing that makes this world seem more real than dream, they differ only in consitency(this seems more consistent than dream) and some other stuff, but esentially the same. What was i so worried about? lol 

    "Real " is reality this thing that's here around me. My question is what is the very substance of Reilly and why does it exist? 

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    21 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

    Right, as Consciousness. Now it’s up to you to question whether this consciousness is subject to limitations. 

    The world appears, yes. But is it really Real? Are objects really Real? How can something that is impermanent be real? It has to have an unreality to it, because of its ephemeral nature. In this sense how can this world be differentiated from a dream? 

    Then what is really Real?

    Well I don't exist as just awareness. I'm in this body it's obvious.  The awareness definitely seem to have a limitation. I'm in this body not your body. 

    What is "real"?  I don't know that's my question here.. All I can say is that this stuff here that we call the world "people cars animals etc" that is what I would call "real" but I know that it might an illusion.. That's a possibility.. But still that's the only thing to be sure of.. This stuff is just there in front of me.  Yes it's fluxes but it's "there " nevertheless.  I wouldn't call it unreal just because it changes constantly.. If i to doubt the existence of what's in front of me and the only thing that exist then the whole discussion would end.. We have to start from a ground.. And my ground is the existence of myself (my mind and body) and the world around me. Notice I didn't jump to conclusions about the nature of the world or the nature of awareness.. I just stated honestly my raw direct experience which I cannot doubt. 

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    2 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

    Would you agree that right now you are conscious? That there is consciousness? Would you agree that that is beyond a shadow of doubt? Even if this world is just a dream, right now you are conscious, right? Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to read these words. Agree?

    Yes I agree. I would say the following are absolute facts : I exist and this world exists and I am aware of it. Which means these things are right now in direct experience they can't be doubted. The nature of experience or  anything else is open to discussion. 

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    8 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

    You are imagining it the way you want. But you confuse the notion of ‘I’ with a a human body/ego-mind. You are bigger. You are infinite.

    Well I think that's just a belief it's not based on my direct experience. All I see is the body and mind and the material world and nothing else.   I'm open to the possibility of me being some hidden creative power that is imagining this little me and the world just like the real me and the false me inside of a Dream. But I don't have any concrete evidence for that.  And the world does seem material and governd by certain laws which I cannot change through my imagination. Which makes me question what's the benefit of believing in something goes against direct experience?  That might prevent me from getting good results in life. 

  17. Posted · Edited by Someone here

    Hello 

    I dream every day that's normal enough but something about last night's dream just made me think. It was so vivid and I was so immersed in it that when I woke up it felt like I was in a different universe and then I looked around and asked myself "what makes this world any different from the dream's world?". I got no answers. I kept the inquiry going and it lead me eventually to question the nature of reality.  Is reality material?  But what is "matter" really?  We are just putting labels on the stuff we found in the world. If reality is material how can dreams happen?  Dreams are very fascinating phenomenon.. Your mind literally create an entire world of matter (or at least an appearance of it) out of thin air through sheer imagination.. It is possible that this world ks I see around me was made by me using the same imagination.. It's not impossible after all I do that every single day when I dream at night lol. But then again this world is so consistent and it definitely has certain rules and limitations. I can't just jump and fly.Gravity exits etc.  So if it's my imagination why can't I imagine it any way I want?  And if it's material where did matter come from and why does it exist?