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OK. In my experience there is no such thing . What is known as "unconditional love" in spiritual community is not bliss or positive emotions..it's an overarching unity that encompasses the whole spectrum of all emotions. So pain..misery..disease..hunger ..filth ..happiness..orgasms..dog shit ..etc ..are all unconditional love. In Leo's interview with Curt from theories of everything.. Curt has asked Leo if love is not romantic love but rather an all encompassing substratum that includes everything that exists..then why calling it "love" and not "bugaboo "? And Leo's response didn't convince me . Since the word "love" has emotional connotation then why insisting on calling it love if its not romantic love ? Then why did you say each atom in the universe is made of love if you're not always in love?

@Javfly33 also there is love as emotions..and love as the substratum of existence which the sages talk about . In all honesty I'm not conscious of love as the substratum of existence. Are you ?

Do you find love in the ingredients table of the universe?

Lol.

@James123 what's happening right now is literally impossible. Glad you got it

"You did not ask to come to this earth, you did not ask to be a male or a female ,you did not ask to go through the experiences you are going through in this life ,whether they are good or bad ,yet,here you are going through certain experiences . Yet,you are arrogant enough to believe that you have the ability to change those experiences. Your entire life was preordained before you came to this earth .the day you will be born into this body ,the experiences you are going to go through ,and the day you are going to leave this body . this sounds weird to most people because they didn't investigate this deeply enough .they didn't turn within ,where Truth resides ,to discover their true nature and the meaning of life . Most people are just born ,they go through a certain conditioning and upbringing, they follow a certain religion, they work in a certain job,they live in certain cities, and they spend their lives trying to accumulate lots of money ,or striving for being maximally healthy, or to look as good as they can . And yet ,life passes through them,they get older and older, they get sick ,and they die . And that's the end of that .before they know it they will be six feet under the ground . The only freedom you will ever get is when you dive deep within silence, when you transcend the universe, your body ,and your life . " -from the collected works which were compiled by his devotees.

It's comforting to see how clueless everyone is. So I'm not alone in this existential madness.

@Javfly33 define "absolute ".

Wrong .that's totally backwards . The absolute is being imagined by you as an experience .experience did not and does not come from anywhere. Don't believe me ? If you actually bothered to LOOK and check your direct experience you will see this clearer. Then that would also be saying too much. So why are you biased towards the absolute? you are leaving it as a superposition of "there is existence without experience and existence with experience ". And what im telling you stop philosophizing and check direct experience. There is no existence without experience. Come the fuck on.

Great! Do you know that that's the most important and profound question in all of spirituality...religion...science..and philosophy? Basically why the fuck does anything exist at all ? Check my thread here : Anything said or spoken or written will always remain partial and limited. As existence is Limitless for our present configuration and dimension.. it may remain beyond our comprehension and understanding FOR EVER..AND FOR EVER. YOU already are the unconditional pre-existing condition FOR A QUESTION TO EMERGE. So..you are already the ANSWER.

There is nothing but experience. Check! The absolute is less real than experience.even If the absolute is god..I don't care ..God is less real than my five senses . You are sacrificing direct experience for a thought story .

Which part that 🤯 shocked you the most ?

Oh interesting to know about you . So how's America been as of late? And keep it 😯hush shush..how to get a green card ? I want to get the hell out of India ASAP

@Princess Arabia I only today knew that you're American by that thread in the health section. I thought you were African. 😂

Make America happy again 🙏

Aren't experiences part of existence? What is existence if its not an experience? For starter ..the word "absolute " literally means that which has no opposition. So existence is absolute because by definition non-existence does not exist . So how can my human experience right now of existence not be absolute? Where do you find a " must "? Is there a holy book that says what you ought to do ? There are no musts in existence.

Dude look..get to the point please..I don't like playing endless Zen Coans and riddles..what is your main point?

Sure ! That's correct. Self Inquiry is trying to arrive at what "you " are existentially by studying direct experience without further preconceived beliefs.

It's easy to say shit like this but do you actually live up to that ? If you have a job in the morning or a class or meetings or whatever..don't you set the alarm before going to bed ?

@Hojo i noticed that about your posts . You are unorganised and you use poor grammar and punctuation. read some actual philosophy. Stuff people say is 'philosophical' rarely is. Philosophy isn't just 'super deep thoughts man'. It's an attempt to construct rigorous arguments about fundamental questions. Consider your motive in an honest light. Do you write this stuff because you think it's important and true..or because you want to be perceived as deep and philosophical? I wrote a lot of deep shit on this forum but at least half of my motive was wanting other people to think I was deep. This leads me to conclude most of what I was writing was probably bullshit. Whereas..sometimes I'd just write something I considered to be fundamentally true.. and other people incidentally considered it me being "philosophical."

Here you said there is no such thing as the whole story . What I mean by "stories" is assumptions and beliefs..like : -other people have consciousness -the world exists when I am not perceiving it -I’m smarter than most people -I will die -I am a human -I’m not dreaming -What scientists say is provable -If I don’t eat food I will die -my parents are my parents -I was born -my memories of past events are accurate -everything is made of atoms -I am more virtuous than most people -Tomorrow will happen -I’d be happy if I had what I think I want Now ...my question to you ..do you have beliefs like these or am u underestimating your wokeness ?

Thank you sir . I needed to hear something from this ilk . I recently came to know that same conclusions. That really happiness and peace of mind come from surrender to God. My mom is a deeply religious person .she has unshakeable faith in God. And even though we are going through some tough times recently she never lose her smile and serenity. She always tell me that you just be with God and you will be at peace that passeth understanding . Happiness is god alone. Life is god alone .nothing means anything without God. There is nothing beyond God or before God. If you didn't reach God yet ...then you are not alive ..and if you did..you are living forever.

it might be true but it isnt practical. Even if im god and all alone dreaming up reality ..everything in my relative existence goes against this . People will still call you a basket case if you told them you're God. But I understand that it can be a good escape when things get hectic and life is throwing lemons at you. Unless you are luicd in a dream..there is no use calling it a dream.

as in solipsism?

you didn't call those spiritual teachers "clowns "? And no . Enlightenment is surrendering to God. Just like the Islamic worship. I don't know exactly what you mean by " opening ". If we are not splitting hairs then we are talking about the same thing . Otherwise I'm waiting for you to clarify what you mean by that statement.