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Don't feed the troll.

You are the farthest person from enlightenment let alone to teach it. Get over it!.

Wow you are so enlightened teach me please!

What's so funny mister "know it all"?

It's like asking what if this kid gets full high grades this semester? Just what "if"? And all your expectations were false about him? And you guys are like "no way he is a loser he will fail like always. Trust me. I know". You refuse to even entertain the possibility. That's OK btw. To each his own.

LOL he is on another level!

So "I" as the individual human ego is not the only real person so to speak? Because Leo's statements seem like brutal solipsism (there are no others.. You are hallucinating me and everyone else)!

Yes here we go again. If you think this is easy shit go ahead and explain it to me.

Maybe!

I know that's your outlook on it and Leo's as well. It's just a hypothetical question. Just suppose that happened.. What would that mean to our understanding of Consciousness?. If you take someone from 3000 years ago and showed them our technology right now and how you can talk to someone on a different country and see them and even record the conversation so that you can replay it forever.. He would think that's utterly impossible and mystical. Yet here we are!

What if science manages to build robots with self awareness and Consciousness identical to our human awareness? What would be your response to that?

Here is where it starts hitting dead ends with me. I have tons of questions here that maybe won't be appropriate to discuss them on the forum. I really wish if you shoot a video explaining the mechanics of how this works exactly and how it is linked with solipsism because I'm so confused by that.

OK Leo this is pure epistemological nihilism here. It's like an intellectual suicide. How you then progress into saying "your life is....". I'm sure you don't mean that everything anyone says is totally false except what you say!.

It's an interesting possibility. Just that. But it's built on the assumption that this reality that you are living right now is literally a dream. Do you know that?

Start by questioning the assumption why should psychedelic trips be taken as revealing any important facts about you and reality and who you are at all? Let it be pleasant or terrifying makes no difference. It's just a temporary trip and you are back to who you really are! Just like getting lost inside a mind blowing VR video game. For a while and then coming back. Nothing more IMO.

Like a lot of people. Sadly!

They might be the same and they might not be the same.! Both are possible. That's what you're missing. It's the same as simulation theory. In this reality we are able to create simulations that appear 100% "real" and then follows the question "what makes you sure we are not inside a simulation right now?". Well nothing makes me sure! Who said I'm sure?? But you also are not sure and pretending to be sure but in the opposite direction. As for the last part I think you are just trolling and no need to respond to that.

I'm not getting it. From the beginning you are calling both states a "dream state" to conclude at the end that they are both dream states! and your only argument for that is that they have similar (not identical) phenomenology?. Two logical fallacies here : the first is circular reasoning (the assumption is identical to the conclusion) and" jumping ". That is to say your reasoning doesn't actually lead to your conclusion. A dream world is similar to the waking world but that doesn't mean they are both dreams. A high quality video game is similar to the real world but that doesn't mean they are both video games.! And I agree with the last part. If all duality collapses that would be identical to "nothingness". The only thing that exists or could exist must be dualistic.

Indeed.

@Keyhole just let her go. Don't like her.. Don't watch her. Life is so easy when you are smart and not a woman (jk lol ).

We can't live without illusions!

Disclaimer : likely to cause existential crisis. Watch on your own risk lol.

I totally get what you are saying. I can summarize it " I don't know what I don't know". That's true. Unfortunately I don't have access to psychedelics at the moment. But I'm doing some alternative spiritual practices and trying to be open minded and consider all outlooks on the world equally (even the outlook of no outlook).

Again it depends on the perspective. The perceiver and the perceived are one and not one from different perspectives. However the two perspectives are not equally true (yes believe it or not). From conventional first hand experience they are totally separate and you have to intellectuallize really deeply or to go into some meditative trance to dissolve this duality and still its gonna be temporary and you will be back to duality. That's just the nature of anything. For anything to exist it must be dualistic. If there is no light there won't be darkness!.

But I'm not starting from any paradigm here (at least in the last two posts). I'm just observing and discovering how my direct experience work. That's Leo's advice! And bringing forth my results. That's what my direct experience is literally revealing. Keep in mind there is no "conclusive" evidence for any particular paradigm and I'm well aware of that. Reality can shift it's rules every single day to fit different paradigms and we might not know that or manage to stop it . That's why the only thing that we can rely on is direct experience. That's the one thing that we can all agree and be sure of.