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NOTICE you can't experience what you are... That implies a duality.. A you which then can experience something and call that experience "what I really am" .. When there is no longer a you to experience a you.. All that is left is you and not you! It can be easily done via meditation alone

@Natasha yup

Obviously. What after the end?

I don't know what are you talking about.

"Interesting " lol.. You and everyone else are scared shitless by the smell of death lol. It's not a philosophical entertainment thing.. The human mind wants to know what lies on the other side because it's afraid.

@zeroISinfinity yeah this is actual. You keep doing meditation and self-inquiry.. Observing your mind.. Your thoughts.. Your sense of ego.. Etc.... You eventually come to this discovery. You can discover more obvious this is not the only insight you can get about reality.. But it's one hell of a thing to realize ngl.

No bro no "one" is talking in your head.. Like it's not a someone or an entity residing inside your brain talking stuff lol... It's just a voice of the universe like the sound of birds or the sound of people talking.. The proplem is you can have thousands of self-referential thoughts all pointing back at themselves without there being any "you" actually behind those thoughts.. It's crazy how this mind structure is designed.. By crazy I don't mean amazing lol.. I mean crazy lol

"who" is there to get pulled in the mind's direction? The discovery is that there is no one behind the mind.

Lol. No self means there is no you to get no self. There is just the no self alone with no self to get it. @VeganAwake yup

@VeganAwake the biggest no-selfer here ❤️... Sorry I took your business for a while lol

@James123 I'm not in the mood to argue a nonduality war rn. Moreover ideas about "right" or "wrong" perspectives of reality as ultimates is more hilarious than absurd.

Not so significant. But surely I give less fucks now because I'm aware that every single thing in the perceptual field of the present moment is just happening like foams of appearance out of nothing.. It all feels like a big fucking hallucination @arlin sure check your DM bro.

I don't lol. I said I am aware this doesn't require "help" because this is not really a condition or mental illness.. This is how things are.

Free will lol There is no one "willing" the next thought or the next heart beat or the next breath etc.... It's indeed "free" tho.. But this means something totally different from what we conventionally think. It's free from the one who is willing it.. So the doer of deeds or the thinker of thoughts is NOT free because he does not exist.. These deeds and thoughts themselves are free.. Which just means they arise spontaneously and randomly.

Exactly. No "you" can't. "you" is a thought. When the "you" thought is not there there is no you!!!

LOL. Don't let X Y Z thoughts in your awareness ??.. That's exactly what I am saying you have zero control over your thoughts because there aren't a you who is the thinker or gate keeper of thoughts (let this in.. Let that out). In face the more you try to avoid or to not think a specific thought the more it actually appears.. Try to not think of a pink elephant.......there you go pink elephants all over the place lol.

Maybe.

Who said anything about love of hate now lol? My point is that you can't hold into any self image or "who you think you are". Every fixed identity will evaporate eventually. Well it's already vapor lol.

Same thing. When there is no you all that is left can be you. It doesn't matter lol. You are everything =you are nothing.

@zeroISinfinity @allislove lol it's over I'm gone. No sense of self. Ofcourse the self - referential thoughts still present.. The sense of self comes and goes but it's just there is no self to whom there is a sense of self!

"Once upon a time, I dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of my happiness as a butterfly, unaware that I was myself. Soon I awaked, and there I was, veritably myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man. " -zhuangzi.

@zeroISinfinity Don't want my thread hijacked with your everyday nonsense that no one pays attention to

That's true for me as well and assume for "most" people? Or should I say all people? I thought some people on this forum have some answers since they are all enlightened and "ask me anything" but it turns out no one has a clue ?

You do

Well "who" deserves it? It's still framed as if "someone" has lost something.. But actually it's that "someone" who is not found.