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You're it. There is no such thing as "should" in reality. Whatever is.. Is what it "should" be. There is no person or people. Again this whole agenda that you are imagining is something you are imagining right now that doesn't exist. I'm pointing you to this dynamic over and over again.. And not in a million years are you going to get it and stop doing this. There is no mind and no one imagining anything. Except that's what you imagine right now 1. Which is not really happening right now 2. But you imagine it again to construct reality again 3. Oh but it is vanishing again4. So you have to imagine it again5...... Dig that? There isn't a person typing right now. And there isn't something floating around in the aether somewhere separate from this present moment called "awakeness". This is precisely it. So there is a me and a myself? Haha..

You don't get it yet. There is no mind and no ego. The mind can't stop because it doesn't exist. There is no mind to stop. Except that's how your mind imagines it! And that's how the perpetual illusion continues. See if you could just realize what Im saying you will just sit there with your mouth wide open for a good half an hour.. But since your whole life hinges upon you not discovering "this ".. You will just open a new line. Be sure.. As long as we are at the level of talking.. We are talking nonsense . It's all bullshit basically. So let's keep going. There isn't a human. That's just a thought. Boom gone it's not here anymore.. So where is the "human"? If you look closely there isn't any humans here.. And there's isn't a you looking.. And there isn't a looking. And there isn't anything. The "eternal self" is not the ETERNAL SELF . A word that is being used to describe something is not that something.. The "eternal self" is nothing. Tell me how can we speak about nothing when there isn't a we and a talk because there is nothing but nothing?

You are saying the same thing. Pointing to the same "meaning". It's just a technical difference in how you frame it and what meanings you imagine to the word "awareness". Ultimately there isn't a nothingness and a awareness and a appearance.. A dream and a sleep.. A world and duality and a you and a "aware of X"... These are all one" thing ".. There is just nothing. And not even. But because the mind can't sit still.. it imagines all sorts of non-existent things to constantly construct" reality". Because there is no Reality except to nothing. And not even to "that ". Because your mind will also again imagine "nothing" as a something. When it's nothing lol. See we could go like this forever.. The mind has to stop.. A radical shift. MUST happen to grasp what is being "pointed at" here.. Not the pointer itself. For the map is not the territory. Well if you truly understand what you're saying here.. You will see you are doing exactly that. All pointers are just pointers. the moon is not the finger. What I described as how nothing is the truth.. Is not the actuality of it. In the realm of words and language.. You can only point.. You can only go so far. Silence is the highest teaching.

@Heaven yup.

A classical one. See the trick is what is "consciousness"? If you define consciousness as sight sound touch smell etc.. That's definitely will be absent. Just like in deep sleep. But the problem is we identify ourselves with these temporary appearances when we are actually the ever-present emptiness that contains everything inside of it. So you wake up in the morning.. Sight sound touch smell.. A body and a world appear.. They appear inside of what ??? Inside of awareness.. For if there wasn't An awareness that is prior to these appearances.. Where else can they appear "within"??? .. Ok so in deep sleep there isnt even awareness.. That's right.. Deep sleep is the sate of nothingness.. That's your real nature.. That's who you really are.. That's the only thing that doesn't come and go.. Ever-present.. Therefore the most real state of being is the state of nothing.. The most fundamental state of being is the state of nothing .... And" within" this nothing appears awareness.. And within this awareness appears all sorts of dreams... The waking dream and the sleeping dreams. Are just temporary appearances within the ever - present nothingness. Very helpful.

Try to dumb it down to their level.

That's better than going as a mofo everyday lol

Is carrying a body a burden or a bliss? Well if you ask me it's a burden. I discovered that I am eternal perfect needless soul. Desirlessness content ever-present perfection that is always hiding behind the surface of the world of forms. Maya . That's my real nature. I just did it. I made that discovery without any psychedelics.. Just good old meditation and observing the world of forms floating around the eternal nothingness at the center. The soul is identified with an imaginary temporary physical avatar.. For a while. Not for long time but for a while. The more I recognize my true nature and then compare it to the body.. The more I see the body as a burden. A burden that I have to carry on for my whole life. Babysitting this body. Task after task. Feed me. Please Me. Rest me. Move me. Clean me. Over and over again. A chore after a chore. Until I fall dead after reaching the limit of exhaustion. A house of diseases. A house of desires. The never-ending desire that doesn't amount to anything other than the multiplication of itself and the expansion of disappointment. A house of needs. A house of lacking and constant aiming. The mind can be at ease. The soul can just be content in the now. The body has to perform effort and chase after it's "needs". There seems to be a conflict between the body and the soul. The nature of limitation VS unlimitedness. "oh you don't have to think of it this way and be pessimistic.. The body is the house of God". Yeah yeah yeah.. The ghost in the machine. This is dualism. The body is a burden. For God to exhaust himself and start seeking breaking free from the temporary limitations that he decided to reincarnate in. Any thoughts on how to help myself change this perspective?

This is true. Although it leaves everything as it is.

I'm experiencing it as a desire. no . But it appears that way. Not necessarily. Within awareness. Itself. A body is a body. A bird is a bird.yada Yada.. Because Wherever I go. It's here with me. Unlike anything else Awareness. Or nothingness. Or the ego (which doesn't exist). Or I don't know. It can't be said.

I don't know why I relate that way. Yes I'm not in control. I have absolutely zero control over everything. I'm totally conscious of it. You tell me? I don't control my thoughts or actions or attitudes.

Alrighty. Alrighty.

Alright how is that different from what I'm saying? You are just saying yeah it is what it is.. It is your burden.. Do the homework.. Do it good.. And keep quiet . Lol

Appearance is reality. What does that mean? Freedom is not an entity. It's an abstract. Consciousness is identified as a separate body.. That is essentially a house of needs. I don't wanna get lost in pedantic word Games.. The current dream of being a separate imperfect body is a limitation and a burden. It is a dream but it's real. It is illusory but it's real. It doesn't exist but it does!

Tricks your mind lol? You are basically saying go have some fun and experience how amazing the body can get lol. As if I don't know that. Yet that can be viewed as a burden.. This constant itch to move the body.. Please the body.. Hype up your body.. For if you don't.. The body will get stagnant and bored. And body doesn't like that... So I gotta obey body. Lol I don't have to necessarily view it from this perspective.. But for now I'm stuck at it.

How to view the body's constant ever-renewed "needs" as "freedom"?

It's a nothing that exists! Well one can certainly imagine a scenario or a world where you can have lighter bodies that doesn't require constant effort and struggle to keep it in balance.

Appreciate it although not sure how exactly is that going to change my perspective on the body being a burden.

I'm not sure if you mean "cause" or "purpose" by reason. But from the absolute perspective.. The cause of a thing and the "purpose" (the destiny) is itself. Cause and effect is a duality. So sure conventionally we slice reality to a series of events into causes and effects.. But actually it's all ONE happening.

Idk maybe. Most people are completely absorbed in the illusion of "I am the body". It doesn't take more than just becoming conscious of yourself observing the body to know that you are not the body.. You could've picked another body in this incarnation. Nothing special or inherent in this body to who you really are.

I wouldn't call it mind dissonance.. I'm just becoming more conscious of the limitations of the body.. The body IS a set of limitations upon the unlimited soul within.

Everything is an illusion except nothing. Alright enough smartassery and fancy paradoxical pointers lol.. You just sit down and meditate and verify what I'm talking about.

He was one of the most realized beings in all times. When he suffered from arm's cancer and the doctors were trying to help him.. he was barely caring about his health conditions because he was fully aware that he is not the body. The body can go through hell but he is fully aware that he is the eternal untouchable spirit. At the age of 16.. He experienced what he called afterwards "moksha" or liberation. Then he left his house and went to live on a sacred mountain for hindu monks. And he announced himself from now on as a "Atiasrami". A monk. And denied himself from having anything that exceeds the middle class possessions. And lived there for the rest of his life. And became Sri ramana maharshi.. One of the greatest enlightened masters of all time. Seekers of the ultimate from all over the globe came to visit the young sage to be in the presence of the Self in his presence. Ramana's awakening experience: " It was quite sudden. I was sitting alone in a room on the first floor of my uncle’s house. I seldom had any sickness and on that day there was nothing wrong with my health, but a sudden violent fear of death overtook me. There was nothing in my state of health to account for it, and I did not try to account for it or to find out whether there was any reason for the fear. I just felt “I am going to die” and began thinking what to do about it. It did not occur to me to consult a doctor or my elders or friends; I felt that I had to solve the problem myself, there and then. The shock of the fear of death drove my mind inwards and I said to myself mentally, without actually framing the words: “Now death has come; what does it mean? What is it that is dying? “This body dies,” and at once dramatized the occurrence of death. I lay with my limbs stretched out stiff as though rigor mortis had set in and imitated a corpse so as to give greater reality to the enquiry. I held my breath and kept my lips tightly closed so that no sound could escape, so that neither the word “I” nor any other word could be uttered. “Well then,” I said to myself, “this body is dead. It will be carried stiff to the burning ground and there burnt and reduced to ashes. But with the death of this body am I dead? Is the body I? It is silent and inert but I feel the full force of my personality and even the voice of the “I” within me, apart from it. So I am Spirit transcending the body. The body dies but the Spirit that transcends it cannot be touched by death. That means that I am a deathless Spirit.” All this was not dull thought; it flashed through me vividly as living truth which I perceived directly, almost without thought-process. “I” was something very real, the only real thing about my present state, and all the conscious activity connected with my body was centered on that “I”. From that moment onwards the “I” or Self focussed attention on itself by a powerful fascination. Fear or death had vanished once and for all. Absorption in the Self continued unbroken from that time on". Ramana's self-inquiry to attain self-realization : "Who am I ? The gross body which is composed of the seven humours (dhatus), I am not; the five cognitive sense organs, viz. the senses of hearing, touch, sight, taste, and smell, which apprehend their respective objects, viz. sound, touch, colour, taste, and odour, I am not; the five cognitive sense- organs, viz. the organs of speech, locomotion, grasping, excretion, and procreation, which have as their respective functions speaking, moving, grasping, excreting, and enjoying, I am not; the five vital airs, prana, etc., which perform respectively the five functions of in-breathing, etc., I am not; even the mind which thinks, I am not; the nescience too, which is endowed only with the residual impressions of objects, and in which there are no objects and no functioning’s, I am not. 2. If I am none of these, then who am I? After negating all of the above-mentioned as ‘not this’, ‘not this’, that Awareness which alone remains - that I am. " Quotes and pointers : " when you realize the one. The many will not be seen. " " There is no mystery bigger than this.. That we keep searching for the truth.. When in fact we ourselves are the truth " " no matter how far you go.. You are always inside yourself". " anything capable of appearing is doomed to disappear and thus it will die. Except the Self.. It doesn't appear or disappear. Thus it is eternal". "real silence is a never ending talk" " the biggest embodiment of ecstasy and bliss is silence". "happiness is your real nature. It's not wrong to desire it. But it's wrong to search for it outside yourself.. When it's inside of you".

LOL isn't that my comment the other day?

@Breakingthewall you can think about it in terms of solidity. The more soild a thing is you can think of it as real. The more vapor-like it is.. You can think of it as illusory or unsubstantial. So you see solid object around you and you think they are substantial.. That's how it appears in ordinary state of consciousness...if you become more conscious you can see how everything is vapor-like and there is no solidity whatsoever. Except the mind that is working so hard to solidify a "reality" out of the Flux. Anyways this is all conceptual bullshit basically lol... You gotta become directly conscious of it.