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Define time.

You really don't need to bring 'souls' and woo woo beliefs into the equation. We know as a matter of fact that the universe is constantly reincarnating. Transition from one form into another. So all humans are really the same being. The universe taking apparently different forms tho. So that's reincarnation. Every new born is you reincarnating.

Value to work on : Letting go of judgment. Noticing that everything is already perfect instead of constantly chasing to change our experience into a "better" one. It's necessary to adopt a serious spiritual practice to get there. One cannot achieve that through theory alone.a practice That constantly trains you to drop your sense of ego. I like the sufi /Islamic mysticism practices. The constant chanting and prayers and uncontrolled body movements (including rotation) is supposed to give you an experience of losing your sense of self and oneness with your environment. So you are no longer the one who is chanting.. You become the chant itself. You are no longer the body that rotates.. You become the rotating itself. You become one with Allah.

As addition to that.. perfection is not found in the world of change. The ultimate.. Happiness.. Peace freedom.. Love.. Joy.. Perfection.. Etc what all of us deeply crave and is the ultimate aim of all our seeking is NOT found in the relative world. That is to say nothing in the world of time and space.. No object in time and space or feeling or experience no matter how fulfilling it is.. Is going to make you liberated. Because it's also subject to time. To impermanence. To loss. To time and space. Everything in the relative world.. Is relative! If one seeks the absolute one must step outside of time and space... Forget about the world of form all together forget about all your thoughts and judgments and likes and dislikes.. Meditation is the only way to go. Only through total and complete let go of one's sense of self and judgment is it possible to find perfection. The present moment already is perfect and it's never going to be anything else. The mind comes in and spoil that with judgements and fear to keep your ego alive. Which is the barrier to realize that you are already free.. Already perfect. Already whole and complete.

@Godishere I would say the psychedelic experience is different. In the sober state your experience is forced upon you (opposite of your imagination).it might or might not be true from the ultimate perspective (God's pov) I don't know honestly. but you as human are surely not imagining anything into existence. At least in your immediate experience maybe it's different from the zoomed out perspective like dreams. But it's not in your direct experience.

May I ask you how did you arrive at this conclusion?

The most direct path to enlightenment is to simply realize that you are already enlightened. There is no path towards who you already are.

@satyajit solipsism is undebunkable. Which is not to say it's true. When framed as only your subjective experience is certain to exist and you don't have the necessary tools to know the nature of your experience. Simulation theory argument as an example (how do you know you are not in a virtual world). Also Rene descartes' famous evil demon doubt as an example. It's not possible to answer your question definitively. I would say drop the whole inquiry and go do something more worth your time

The nazi is God Because God is everything. Anytime.

to cure OCD you have to first identify the OCD thought as an OCD thought. Write them down. Come up with a list of all your OCD thoughts. And then tell yourself whenever you get these thoughts you are not going to react to them. You will just let them arise and go like you are hearing some noises in the streets. Or clouds passing. You can't really control the cloud. You can either react or withhold. If you keep reacting you will get stuck deeper in the thought loops. The only fix is to not react to the OCD thought no matter how intense it is and often it arises. Also establish : Very Strong mediation Habit daily meditation and awareness of thoughts letting them come and go without reacting - The ability to let things go. This is going to require more emotional intelligence. Don't grasp into events and emotions. Practice being careless. - Great diet and exercise. - Ability to let things be as they are. Ability to accept the thoughts and not fight them. - Building in awareness into times where you are getting sucked into OCD related habits. For example awareness while washing hands. - Letting go of the thought that "I have OCD." You are creating and perpetuating the problem. Change that into I Had or I use to have. - Figure out how having OCD Benefits you. Write out the pros and cons of it and really think about it.

This negation itself implies that you understand the opposite (that something is happening). Otherwise what are you negating exactly if there is nothing to negate? It's not absolutely true. It's happening and not happening.

Yes. so you are presupposing a me that has learned false concepts about what the me is and what reality is... So it doesn't exist and yet "it" (which does not exist) has learned itself into being. I'm just asking you to appreciate the strange loopyness of this.

@James123 there is something not quite clear about your reasoning. And yes you appeal to reason and logic to convey your point. So you are using the exact same thing that you are trying to dismiss in dismissing it! What do you mean there is no universe just because I have learned the word? And how did I learn the word if there is no universe In the first place to learn from??? I know you have found your true identity but life is way deeper than that and you can still constantly evolve your life and understanding even tho there is no life or evolving or understanding.

@James123 I get where you are coming from Believe me lol. enlightenment is not a magical piece of information that is going to make everything snap into place and "oh I finally fucking get it". Because there is nothing to get because it's infinite. So you can keep exploring forever. Why have one final enlightenment when you can have infinite enlightenments?

@James123 It's kinda like of stage blue vs stage orange. If you ask each one of them how did the universe began or how does it work? Stage blue :oh it's all God by God for God. Stage orange :let's find out and explore this infinte universe. Which one is more holistic??

They might be fun or not for you. For me These kinds of inquiries are my favorite. Go ahead and screw around with them if you like. Because I'm challenging everything you believe you know.... 1. What keeps everything together? What makes the floor underneath stands? Why doesn't the universe just fly apart right now? Exactly what makes everything "work" so to speak? The rules of physics? What is grounding that? And what's grounding that?...... You get the idea 2.name something that you are absolutely certain of. Like 100 %certain of. Justify why are you certain of it. Do you notice that absolutely everything is uncertain? Such that uncertainty is the only thing you are certain of? For example what makes you certain that the next moment the TV will not suddenly show a different universe because God suddenly decided to flip the channel??????( 3.are you dreaming or awake right now? And how do you know? (oh a classical one but still you basically don't know the ontological statues of your experience). 4. What is the context of existence? This experience that's happening right now.... Where exactly is it happening? In a computer or in a universe or maybe in an alien's dream? What models (scientific or spiritual etc) do you have to explain this present moment? Do you realize all your models are bullshit because they themselves are the very same present moment that's completely unexplainable? 5. Is the earth flat or round? Whatever you believe it is. Have you actually seen the earth from above? No. Then why you are not agnostic about this? Why you believe it's round? I could come up with dozens of them. Basically the point is everything you think you know could be deconstructed completely. Then again what do you really know? Only the immediate direct experience. Edit : Here's another question. . How to ground any knowledge whatsoever that's not contacted with in the immediacy of the present moment? In other words anything that you are not seeing, hearing, touching, smelling or tasting right this moment... How is it possible to have a certain knowledge of such thing? (could be a memory.. An anticipation of the future.. Or a conceptual explanation of the experience itself) etc.

Yes it is a paradox. That's not the same as contradiction. Paradox is a feature not a bug. Is the statement "everything is uncertain" itself certain or not? It's uncertain which means the duality breaks down and it's neither certain nor uncertain anymore. It's just what you are left with in present moment. And that's what I'm ultimately trying to get at. It should be all encompassing. You can't escape what is. I'm just saying each moment there is no saying with absolute certainty what this infinite willl is about to manifest exactly. Examples in OP for clarification. Also quantum mechanics seems to suggest the same thing. Check out uncertainty principle. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

So that's pretty good mindfuck that everything is uncertain hope that's not too scary for ya ?

That's cute and all. You can postulate any metaphysical subtrautum that you "Love". The only correct answer is literally nothing is doing it yet its done. Ofcourse you weren't. You just Believe you were (are). And certainty is something more than just a thought (a belief). Bottom line you can't be certain about anything in the future by defintion because the future is a belief. Yup. Made ya question your reality ? You still imagine that "nowhere" is somewhere. LOL I'm not. Or am I?

Yeah I think it's obvious what Karma is from a oneness view point. If you are the same being in every being. If you are beheading a chicken.. You are the human who's beheading the chicken and the chicken that's getting beheaded simultaneously. So instant karma. It's not a process in time and doesn't require reincarnation because it's hard for us to make sense of how time is illusory and our relative notion of how the universe works are not what's absolutely true.

Why are you certain the universe came from a big bang? Did you personally do the science? No? Then how can you be 100 %certain? Ever seen any of these explanatory tools? There have no phenomenoloical existence (direct experience). They are just concept. There isn't a "bottom" my dude. It's literally infinite out there lol

Yes my concept that everything is indeed "together" is not accurate. Which means it's not certain. So.. is everything together or apart objectively? Both ofcourse which means there isn't a certain answer! Exactly! So even within my question I assumed that the floor is indeed still... which is a claim of certainty for the conversation to be possible at all.. we have to assume a given. But is it a given tho? As you said it's not. It's also relative. Everything is so relative and uncertain such that I can't even formulate a question without making uncertain claims! Same point. I had to assume that it's not already falling apart and ask why it isn't?.... But ofcourse as you said it's already falling apart and not falling apart simultaneously depends on whether we are talking about the macro scale or micro scale and what measurement tools (speed) etc.... All that itself is relative and uncertain. Such that it's impossible to make a 100 % certain and accurate description. Nope! Say it in a different way lol I like this. Ofcourse. You could say why should I be 100 % certain and not only 4 %? After all even the 4 % is 100% relative to other factors of consideration.. Also you could ask are you 100 % certain that you are 100% certain...to infinity. It's not possible to measure the degree of certainty in a certain way! Exactly. It's already getting filpped constantly. In other words changing and not stable. Uncertain. Yup. Does that mean our location is certain or not? Think about it. Which is exactly my point. Any possible explanation for the present moment is itself the unexplainable present moment. So you have to explain the explanation for infinity. Which ends up meaning the present moment just is and we don't know any further. How so? How are you absolutely certain that I am a human being? Just because I look like a human being? I could be a ghost who's very good at shape shifting!! Exactly. The whole point of my thread! That's all uncertain. ?

Brilliant answer from Rupert. Thanks for sharing ❤️? Exactly a belief is a thought. unexamined. These things are uncertain. You just really "believe" they are certain. Yes exactly. That's my point. Only isness is certain. The fact the isness IS. And nothing else is certain nor knowable. No that difference itself is uncertain. So you don't know if you're in dreaming state or waking state. And you don't even know if these two states are even different to begin with (that life itself is not one giant ass dream). Yes I mean direct experience. This right here right now. The question is where is here? What is the background of the universe? If it's only one piece of the puzzle.. Where is this piece fitting? Exactly. Which means it's undetermined or unknown. It's both and neither. Depends on a relative view point. Again uncertain! Let's call feelings direct experience. Knowledge is thoughts. The question is How can you trust the content of any thought if it's not describing a direct feeling? (for example I had some fish for dinner yesterday)

Exactly. That makes these facts uncertain. Yup. Once again you are uncertain. Let's create a distinction between the waking world and the night time Dreams. Exactly how are you supposed to know which is which? Again. 100% mystery and unknown. In other words you don't know but you gotta believe something cuz blah? All perfect uncertain answers ?

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