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Death Is not something my ego wants to be real .its an objective fact . I think It is passing from one world to the other. I have a lot of proof it exists . It also has NOTHING to do with religion or scary beliefs. Religion is man made and trying to get people to fear God is also man made to control them . Noone knows or can know because we cease to be living. Do you believe we have a spirit or a soul, or do you believe that we just die and that's it? There is no right or wrong here. My personal belief is that we are Spiritual Beings just moving around in this “earth suit” if you will. Only the body dies. A spirit or soul cannot die. I do not believe in a Supreme Being that would cast us into a hell or judge as good enough to get into heaven. Judgement is for humans. A truly Supreme Being would be ABOVE any human concepts such as Judgement. I believe in Reincarnation. Atheists and Christians alike disagree with me on this. And that's ok!! I don't ask anyone to believe as I do. You are welcome to of course but it's not going to hurt my feelings if you don't. Only you can decide what you believe, what makes the most sense to you, and you don't have to explain yourself to anyone. To me. Reincarnation makes more sense than a perfect deity being imperfect enough to use judgement. It also makes more sense to me that instead of having a spirit that we are perfectly divine spirits. Many think this way. Others reject it. With the violence, hatred, animosity we have in the world, it doesn't make sense. Buf if everyone were to believe this, and truly live like this, all that violence, animosity, and hatred would dissipate. It's how I choose to live. Others do as well. Many won't. And that's ok!!

@Breakingthewall I think some people (expecially spiritual teachers and really anyone that people look up to as an intellectual authority) are afraid of being wrong. in their minds, being wrong is bad and no one will like them. I know that sounds both extreme and an oversimplification, and it may be. But it’s still true. It’s not about arrogance, it’s about fear. Many people have so little self-confidence that being wrong just makes it harder for them to believe in themselves. They think people judge them for it. Now, you and I know that’s not how it works. You don’t dismiss someone as worthless just because they were wrong about something. We all know that admitting a mistake actually elevates you in the minds of most people. But if your self-image is that low, making a mistake is just one more thing that’s wrong with you. And people in that situation cannot handle something else being wrong with them. And if there’s all that wrong with you, no one will like you. I'm not suggesting that Leo is falling into the same trap..but sometimes he really dances around the question and it looks like he doesn't really know but doesn't wanna admit it to not look like he has no clue in front of his "students "

How is that an answer to my question ?? I agree with OP. You never make yourself clear about the issue of death .you always half-quote people and leave a couple of unnecessary lines like this one and leave it at that. Could it be possible that you simply still have no clue about the subject of death ? It seems all your line of reasoning is that death is in the future and since the future is imaginary then death is imaginary too ..but this imaginary future is constantly being pulled into the present .so death will come not as a future but as a present event. I hope you can clarify things for me

Got it . So even though we can both call blue "blue" ..there is no way to verify that my blue is your blue. We just assume its the same. You can't jump between different bodies and experience what it's like to be your mom. So that leaves the question open. And solipsism doesn't allow space for expanding perspective or acknowledge these limitations that I just mentioned. Solipsism is the belief that external reality is your mental projection.It’s only you, surrounded by zombies. We can easily see the error by thinking about dreams.Dreams are projections, but your dream self isn’t surrounded by zombies. Your dream self is a projection too, like the other dream characters.Your consciousness isn’t in your dream body.Every dream character has an equal claim on it.Non-duality maintains the Self is the only reality.Nothing else has independent existence. At most, it’s an internal reflection, like a dream.“You” are a character in your own dream. Because there’s only one Self, you must be in your own dream. And I'm on my own dream .so we are both figments of each other's imagination AND simultaneously independently real .

Let's cut the shit ... Do you agree that I'm a conscious person just like you ? Yes or no ?

@justfortoday Everyone is just actors, you got that right. But! You have a blind spot: yourself. What makes you real? The error is in thinking that you are the center of everything. That is the most common error .so common it's taken to be absolute truth. Others are not real, you're right. They're impersonating people, playing roles. But so are you. I know that can be scary, because the whole thing is empty. It means there's no one here. Just Shakespeare’s stage and ‘us’ as actors on it. But we're also the audience. Funny enough it's a show with no one for no one revolving around no one. No one is the hero, but no one is the villain either. Just roles playing out, directed by the process of life life-ing. About the whole VR thing...yeah yeah yeah..You live in the Matrix, so of course reality is all an illusion. Just don’t walk in front of a moving car, because your illusion will hurt.

@Mannyb thanks. Will check it out ?

@Razard86 you are just speculating . no matter how you capitalize words . I don't buy this solipsism BS anymore. We all are conscious. If you truly were a solipsist and you want to be consistent with your worldview then you simply should stop blabbering your mouth everyday on this forum and just rejoice in your solipsistic bubble instead . But since you are in a forum talking to a group of "other people " then you are not a solipsist.

Lol Nobody told you that those first few sips of tea in the morning with some fine Marlboro Gold makes for a perfect combo? I usually smoke while drinking tea . They are wired together in my brain. Afraid that I need to drop tea as well

@Carl-Richard ? or ? It's my choice .

Those whom you thought cared about you and loved you, run from you because to them you’ve become some strange alien. You find yourself in a place where you’re completely alone and left to deal with your souls karmic obligations and evolutionary processes. The wool is removed from your eyes and you’re able to see this earth shit for what it truly is. You’re no longer afraid of what life could possibly hand you. You tend to focus more on knowing and understanding your purpose for being here and moving and acting accordingly. You now understand that it’s time to put on your grown folks shoes, strut through the earth being exactly who you are and doing exactly what you’ve come to do. You really arrive at a place where you realize you have no more fucks to give about the things you once thought were very important.

@Leo Gura leo, please, let's be clear and precise as possible. Tell me ..if right now I shoot my head with a gun.. What exactly is going to happen? I need a visual description. And an auditory description. A Complete phenomenological description that gets me a real image of what death is like. Thanks.

Absolutely nothing man ? It's not so much stopping that's difficult. Believe it or not ,I can put down smoking cigarettes right now if i wanted to . It's the withdrawal I cannot bear. I've noticed I've become very short tempered and my overall anxiety increases when i don't have nicotine. I tried to quit for two weeks and those two weeks were full of stress .I could not sleep .I had no energy .and my mood was awful . I regret that cursed fucking day when I put the first damn cigarette in my mouth . I need help man .

Then what the heck is THIS?!

@justfortoday so I'm the only conscious observer right now in the entire universe? But there will come a time in a hypothetical future (timeline) that I will live through your POV? But then what's the difference between that and our conventional perspective? You can only verify your own consciousness but you cannot absolutely cannot in a million years jump behind my eyes and see the world from my pov and conclude that I'm just a figment of your mind like in a nightly dream and have no independent existence. It's a game of probability really. Since certainty around this issue is unreachable. You can only speculate. But the problem arises when you take your speculations so seriously and get stuck on them and not being able to jump between different paradigms . I accept both the idealist and the realist paradigms simultaneously. While you only accept the idealist paradigm. Which means you need to expand your perspective more .

I smoked again today . Fuck this shit is more difficult than I thought . I wish I never started smoking.

I will start first. I eat usually 3 eggs sandwich for breakfast with some coffee .sometimes I eat cheese but mostly boiled eggs . I eat rice and meat (chicken or red meat or fish etc) with cooked vegetables for lunch and dinner . I may have a snack here and there between the meals ..usually a piece of chocolate or fruits.

Yes 100% agree ?. The point of life to me is to enjoy it to the fullest .there is really no other point if you think about it . Life is too short. 80 years on average is pretty much very little time . And that gives it even more illusory side. Everything is so fleeting and impermanent. Before you know it you will be in your death bed regretting that you didn't make the most out of your life during the peak period (the youth period ).

@justfortoday so are you saying that it's me who's all alone or yourself? but regardless..I struggled a lot with this solipsism issue myself and from the few occasions that you seem to be active on this forum (which is very little) you seem to be advocating solipsism. I can't prove or disprove solipsism. But I can deal with it from a pragmatic approach. no one lives this way. So your life is a practical denial of the concept. If a cliff is merely an illusion, then there is no reason not to walk off of a cliff. If people are merely constructs of your own mind, there is no reason to need anyone, value anyone, or to treat other people well. The brain has inadequate computing power to create the detail which we experience daily in everyday life. You can easily verify this by the fact that dreams are much lower resolution than what we see in our waking life. So our perception are not purely internal, they depend on an external reality. If You believe that a pot of boiling water is real.. You would not put your hand into boiling water. Furthermore..if you read this answer, then there are two conscious beings- me the writer and you the reader. Also I dislike solipsism because it's lame and feminine. Whereas realism is masculine. But that's a topic for another day .

Illusion is all there is .then it becomes absolute. Since all there is ,is illusory ..then its as real as real gets .it has no opposite.

People can be figment of your consciousness AND real independent consciousnesses simultaneously. @axiom what did awakening reveal to you about the solipsism dilemma?

"Nobody enters the gateless gate ,so be nobody .'

@axiom can you please tell me what did you become conscious or?