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All this controversy about the beauty of the model is irrelevant and missing the process. Jordan Peterson has succeeded in getting free publicity – including not only the major news outlets but also all the social media, forums, etc. This will actually increase the sale of his books. He is using the same technique that Trump used to become president. The right wing really has this process down. But keep things clear. He is not an intellectual. He is a successful mass marketer. Discussing the content, i.e. beauty, the insult, etc. is just playing into his game.

I'm not deaf, so I can hear manipulative tears.

Crying because your father died is legitimate. Crying because some are commiting “revenge against God for the crime of Being” is fake.

Jordan Peterson reminds me of Tammy Faye, in the use of fake tears to manipulate people.

Women use to be heavier and wearing girdles was common. When the model "Twiggy" appeared in the 1960s, it changed by perception of beauty and women wanted to become thinner, which also correlated with the beginning of exercise gyms. Girdles went out of fashion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiggy#Reaction

All this talk is just word games. In India, you have do service as a monk for 10 years before you are deemed mature enough to understand some of these concepts. There are qualifications, else it is just verbal noise. Ask yourself, when your car has a flat tire, do you feel blissful? Do your mind castles help you cope? A practical path is of great benefit. Join a Buddhist group, meditate and practice following dharma. There is power is simplicity.

I have always been mystified why so many men seek advice from a pundit with a whinny squeaky voice that can’t even control his own addictions. I would take advice from Yumi Nu before I would take advice from Jordan Peterson.

I have seen too many variations to generalize about how the medicines affect energy. Some people will sleep all night through a ceremony and not remember a thing. Others will walk around or go outside. For me, I feel waves of energy that are so intense, that I feel like I am being electrocuted. Also there is no conflict between “psychedelics” and meditation. Breathing and following the breath can get you through a difficult journey. Another combination that works, is to take Kambo to release blocked energy followed by Yopo for mind expansion.

This emphasis on enlightenment has become another scam. American culture turns everything into a business. These men are providing competing services so have to talk down the competition. Ask yourself: are you living a high quality life or a shit life? That gives you a difference that you can actually measure.

I go to Mexico. Plant medicines are part of the Mexican culture and it is possible to find qualified Shamen and facilitators. Go to Facebook and put in keywords like "Mexico", "Ayahausca", etc. It may be possible, in the US, but I don't know anything about the scene there.

I heard this song at a recent mushroom ceremony. This song is mindblowing under mushrooms.

This is why I work with a shaman. I have a living example in front of me of a highly advanced spiritual person, so I can see for my self that it works. That beats a lot of empty words printed on the Internet.

"At the center of the universe dwells the Great Spirit. And that center is really everywhere. It is within each of us." - Black Elk Black Elk was a medicine man and warrior of the Oglala Lakota people. He was certainly tribal and grew up stage purple. The above quote could be seen as expressing non dualism. These people were highly conscious. Spiral Dynamics is leaving out too much reality and creating a cartoonish stereotype to maintain the consistency of their model. https://discoveringnonduality.com/2019/01/14/black-elk-and-the-center-of-all-of-us/

The comments I am reading here about stage purple sounds like the stereotype images of racist 1940s cartoons. Like a figure with slanted eyes represents a Japanese man. Or a native has a bone through his nose. Is Spiral Dynamics really this shallow? Is this a theory dreamed up in an ivory tower by theorists who have not actually had real contact with tribal people (who still exist on the planet)?

That requires proof. Where is your evidence?

When I first started taking Bufo Alvarius, my heart would beat fast, but that went away after doing it a few times. If you have heart problems, I would be very careful and stick to low doses. The shaman I go to said that he has seen Bufo stop someone’s heart under a high dose.

I am disputing the inference that some are drawing from spiral dynamics that higher stages of the spiral are more conscious than lower stages. The fat woman is unconscious of the fact that she is killing herself with food. This is unconscious behavior. Someone who mistakes a movie for reality, who thinks he understands reality because he has seen a movie is unconscious. In the jungle, this would be like mistaking a crocodile for a log. In industrial society millions of people are sleepwalking through life and still survive. If you sleepwalk in a jungle, you die. Watching 8 hours of television a day is not evolving. The tribes were about more than survival, they had shamanism and a rich cultural life.

This is another value being promoted by the influencers of a modern complex society. But even here, it has limited success since people still tend to form their own tribes in urban neighborhoods. Tribes in the jungle keep the peace by being separate from each other, which is easier to do in a jungle. They still may use the same river – a river would be like the Wal-Mart of a jungle. A tribe doesn’t see the river as a resource so one tribe doesn’t try to control the river – like is commonly done by industrial societies. So yes everyone is welcome at the jungle Walmart, i.e. river.

Movies are made by orange stage societies. Of course, people in modern society perceive their way of life as comfortable, and can’t imagine any other way of living. A fat lady who needs an electric cart to find the twinkies in Wal-Mart is higher consciousness than a native who can spear a fish at 40 feet, because she is stage orange.

If complexity is the touchstone of development, then a ball of yarn is highly developed. Or a totalitarian world system with every human implanted with chips to monitor their thoughts and actions would be highly complex.

Development is a world full of happy people who live in harmony with nature. I have been basically trying to clear the record because there were a lot of harsh comments here on stage Purple that are based on imagined prejudices and not direct knowledge. People from an ethnocentric and materialistic lens fail to see the brilliance of our ancestors. These people were highly conscious. I am not sure whether this is coming from the baked in prejudices of spiral dynamics or if it is spiral dynamics being misinterpreted. The modern world is developed in knowledge for technology but has little wisdom. Our only hope of survival is to rediscover this ancient wisdom. There are still tribal societies on the Earth who know how to live in harmony with nature and can teach us to reconnect.

This again assumes the stage orange value of "progress". The seed is the tree.

This is expressing the values of a stage orange culture. Living in the jungle is the opposite of being drunk. If you aren't alert, it won't take long to be bitten by a snake. It is also the opposite of losing consciousness. Sitting in an office 8 hours a day and then going home to watch TV is how you lose consciousness.

For me, Bufo Alvarius is the purest journey. It takes one minute for the mind to drop away. There aren’t any stories. Just the feeling of pure presence and connection.

If you stick to Mexico, the information is already available on the Internet, i.e put keywords in Facebook search.