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Yes, it is. I quoted what you were talking about: If you wanna talk about how you think Leo is a narcissist, that's fine, but it's not what we were initially talking about, at least not explicitly.

There is no teaching that does not drive anyone away. People have different interests and motives. Abiding by such a criteria is not an accurate indicator of the compassion or quality of a teaching. A teaching that prioritizes whether it appeals to people will always fall short, because at that point you aren't even prioritizing the teaching itself, but rather how people perceive the teaching. Of course, when it comes to teaching, how people view it should be a secondary value. A teaching that does not drive anyone away will have about 0 depth, for the reasons I mentioned before. It only appeals to the lowest common denominator. It's a mistake to assume that because someone is driven away by a teaching it means the teaching is flawed. Sure, his style has its flaws, if that is what you mean by "toxic".

It's refreshing seeing how open-minded AI are.

There's nothing wrong with imagination. Yes, you do. Otherwise, what is this conversation even about? There is something going on, and this something is what you call "other". It's a very anthropomorphic interpretation to say that others don't exist, because the average person looks at imagination or anything abstract and says "oh, that's not real because I can't physically interact with it!" They do exist, but you have to figure out what they exist as. Recontextualize. That's all.

There was no claim that compassion is disconnected from truth. A lack of interest in something doesn't mean an actual lack of that thing. What Leo is saying is that he values truth over compassion. So, if the truth is something that might not compassionate, he is not gonna let that stop him from pursuing it. He is not saying that he does not like being compassionate or that you shouldn't be compassionate or that compassion isn't related to truth. It's just that compassion is not prioritized over truth. Can you imagine if Leo's mission was instead "I want to figure out how to be as compassionate as possible" or "I want to figure out what is true, but only if I can see that it involves compassion". That would have completely changed his trajectory, because the priorities are different. Furthermore, how do you know what is compassionate? Is Leo making you feel comfortable compassionate? Is Leo reducing his teachings down in such a way so that there is an absolute 0 percent chance of someone going mentally unstable from his teachings compassionate? I don't think so. There's a reason why Sadghuru's public teachings are more mainstream and less in depth than Leo's. When you position yourself in the mainstream, your teachings are limited to a certain depth, because those teachings exist relative to how palatable it is for the mainstream.

His video was at like 800k views with the word "death" in the title. So he already siphoned all the views his videos would normally get without any trouble. I don't see why he would make the change so late if it is ToS. If it is cause of ToS, I don't think the video would get taken down for using that word. At most, it might prevent the video getting promoted in the algorithm or something. There are long-standing videos with many views that use the word "death". Then again, it is odd that he would change the previous title. But, I think his video was much more charitable than the other Leo hit-pieces. I don't find it hard to imagine that he would do it. I think he also had some previous controversy regarding slandering people, so it makes sense that he would be cognizant of such things.

Lol interesting I'm glad he was able to self-reflect and at least take the death part out I guess

I'm not making assumptions. I never said whether shamans are effective or ineffective. The sentiment is that ayahuasca shouldn't be turned into a pill because there is no shaman that comes with a pill. This is not an equitable position. This is gatekeeping because it says that it shouldn't be possible to take ayahuasca without a shamanic ritual.

There is, but it doesn't serve your ego as readily. It's more impartial. It takes more time and effort for it to work. This quality of requiring more time and effort defines the waking state and separates it from the dream state. It also provides the waking state its balance and beauty. It's not something to be daunted by or annoyed by, it's a very intelligent system. In this case, since the waking state contains "outer qualia" in addition to "inner qualia", unlike the dream which is just inner qualia, you have to make your inner qualia (imagination) emulate the outer qualia (physical reality) in order to tap into the creative potential of the "genie". So, in this case, instead of the genie listening in on your imagination, your ego has to listen in on the genie and align itself with the genie's intelligence. This creates an umbilical cord between the ego's intelligence and the genie's intelligence, and they merge together. (In this case, the genie is external reality) The waking state is not always just physical or "outer qualia". It's a synergy between your imagination and the physical world. A lot of the waking state is still your own mental projection. For example, you have to first imagine that there is a glass of water outside of your room in order to make the decision to actually go outside your room and drink a glass of water. And so, taking advantage of that synergy is how the genie works. See, in this case, just like the dream, your imagination about the glass of water came true, but in a somewhat different way. In the dream state, there is only the imaginative qualia, which means there is one qualia. In the waking state, you have to merge your inner imaginative qualia with the physical outer qualia, so that they become "one", similar to the dream state. The intelligence of the inner and outer qualia have to merge with each other. Only in this synergy is when you can create what "you" want. Two people in the waking state can have two different perceptions of the outer world, despite the outer qualia being the same. For example, one person might hate rainy weather, while another person might like rainy weather. Or even simpler, one person might have a positive mindset, and the other person has a negative mindset. People are creating self-fulfilling prophecies in their heads all the time, and it's fueled by how they imagine and contextualize reality. If someone is sad and depressed, their reality reflects it, it's psychosomatic. For example, because of their depression, they might neglect their hygiene. Or, they might neglect their responsibilities and become lazy, thus pushing them into financial distress. See how their inner qualia is creating a more depressing outer qualia? A lot of the waking state is still spent dreaming, literally. Any sort of imagination can easily merge and become one with the "outer qualia". Once they are merged they become the same qualia, and this "merged qualia", so to speak, is like a clay that your ego can mold. Even the idea of physicality itself is only an imagined projection. Or even think about how real the idea that you are a physical human being feels right now. This is exactly how the genie works in the waking state. Your imagination is like a chisel that is constantly sculpting how the outer qualia is perceived. There are certain moments where what you're imagining seems to manifest itself very quickly in the waking state, seemingly by coincidence or chance. Or maybe you start experiencing synchronicities. I can only describe this phenomenon as a gesture from the Universe which is telling you that it is listening in on your mind. It's a reminder of the interconnectedness of your mind and the Universe. The truth is, this model of synergizing with "outer" and "inner" qualia is a bit logical. Another more intuitive way to look at it is this: The Universe, or waking state, is not stupid. It is intimately interfaced with your mind and psychology. If you behave a certain way, the universe will manifest certain things and come up with some story to justify that manifestation, just to further teach you about how your mind works. It's intelligent and alive, and it should be treated as such.

There are many things which are not psychedelics that are constantly changing how you perceive reality. If someone with bad eyesight wears prescription lenses to correct their eyesight, is their perception of reality unreal since it is being augmented? How does using something to change your perception of reality prove that it is unreal? Furthermore, is the perception of a colorblind person "less real" than someone who doesn't have colorblindness? Is colorblindness as a whole "not real" since it is changing how someone perceives colors? Where is the line drawn?

How do psychedelic experiences not fit into this criteria? I also find this distinction interesting: "reality is the universe outside of us which we perceive". Does that mean that you, the perceiver, are not a part of reality, and thus you aren't real?

Tell him to define "real" and watch his worldview crumble in real time

Maybe cause you focus more on them when you're horny. Also, if you have self-deprecating views about fapping, there's a self-esteem boost as well.

Yeah but that's more like how not why. It doesn't really focus on the metaphysical and spiritual aspect. It's like comparing a video on how to drive a car vs a video on why a car works the way it does.

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The problem is your ideas "life is a bitch" "there is no one to complain to" These are very anthropomorphic interpretations. Cling to them if you want, but notice that resistance that appears, it appears because it's super reductionist. You intuitively know that's not what life is, that's not what infinity is, of course. It's like if you asked someone what the meaning of life is and they told you "the meaning of life is for you to become a chef and cook food". Of course you feel trapped. It's too limited and human. You are not human. Which is why it feels so bad clinging to these human ideas. You're contradicting your own existence. You're trying to make life something stupid when it's not stupid.

I'm reminded of when Leo said he couldn't find a proper camera to record his alien transformation. I saw a ghost/spirit thing when I was really young. Now I'm wondering, if I had a camera, would I have been able to record it, or is it just locked into my state of consciousness? I think I finally understand Leo's sentiment about finding a proper camera. Although, the criteria that it should be easy to record or show to other people is pretty arbitrary. Has anyone ever recorded video evidence of a dream? No, but we know it exists.

I also had a similar thought lol

I recall a school of kids in Africa or something that all claimed to witness one. Yep, here it is: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-57749238 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_School_UFO_incident Although who knows, maybe all 60 kids are drug users.

https://www.actualized.org/insights/introducing-pure-philosophy

I had a lucid dream where I was getting tortured. I could feel pain but it felt much more dull compared to the waking state. This is basically what happens every single time I've died in a dream. The dream collapses and I get transported somewhere else.

Of course people will resist when their traditions are threatened. Ego 101. I don't think it's impossible to gain a positive experience from a substance without a shaman, so I mostly perceive it as BS gatekeeping. You also get a good taste of these people's epistemology from that top comment claiming "all pharmaceutical companies = bad and corrupt".

What you learn from sales is that you're always manipulating and being manipulated by default, whether for good or bad. It's just that, when it comes to sales, you're consciously manipulating, whereas normally it's unconsciously done, so all of a sudden it's brought to the limelight for your ego to quarrel with: "OMG am I an evil person for manipulating people like this??" Most people don't even know what they want or need, and so it's gonna be up to you to convince them. You could create the cure for cancer, but if you don't sell it properly, no one will buy it. People will even shun you away if you do a bad job of selling it. That's how people are. People buy so much garbage and bullshit daily from these massive companies without a second thought, and they will fight you if you try to take those things away from them, just cause it's marketed well. And here you are, a lone salesman fretting over whether you're doing the right thing or not. All in all, it's not really a big deal. Your job is simply to show how valuable your product is. That's all. And also, the only reason you'd really feel dirty or overly-manipulative is because some part of you doesn't believe in what you are pitching, so of course you would feel resistance there. It's important to actually be genuinely in tune with your product. People sense lack of authenticity like a shark smelling blood in water. The best sales pitch is the one that isn't a sales pitch, if that makes sense. The intention shouldn't be "doing a successful sales pitch" but something more authentic like "showing a customer how valuable this thing is". People unconsciously sell things all the time, they just don't notice it because it feels so genuine and natural. For example, remember that one time you recommended that one video game to your friend? Yeah, that was basically a sales pitch. You sold him on that video game. Did that feel like a slimy and overly-manipulative thing to do? No, because it was aligned with what you truly believe. Although, slimy behavior in sales is definitely not unheard of. I mean, that's the stigma around it. So be wary of what kind of ideas and mindsets you adopt. Just cause it makes you money doesn't mean it's reasonable.

"deception" "lies" "choice" "purpose" The fundamentals of reality can't be boiled down to these types of anthropomorphic interpretations. It's more meta than that.

The waking and dream state actually work somewhat similarly in this regard. It's just that the dream state is very susceptible to your emotions and what you are imagining. As you said, you're not in control of the details or the imagination process, the dream takes control and conjures up whatever is relevant to your inner emotions and imagination. It's not you "imagining whatever you want". It's more like you imagining or feeling something, the dream taking notice, and then the dream creating whatever relates to it. Another intelligence which is beyond your contracted dream-ego identity takes over, and this is exactly how it has to be, because your contracted dream-ego identity is only a small part of the entire imagined dreamscape, so it would be paradoxical for a small dream aspect to have control over the entire dream. This would contradict the ego identity. The ego is also an imagined character which is part of the dream. The reason why less control = better imagination is because "control" is in relation to ego, and by definition the ego has to be limited. For example, in the waking state, I can imagine that there is a pink unicorn outside of my room. If I go outside my room, there is no pink unicorn, because the waking state is less susceptible to my imagination. But, it still manifests things. In this case, it manifested that there is no pink unicorn. It's just that, in the waking state, it's harder for my ego to imagine what it will manifest. Or, rather, what manifests is less personal to my ego. In the dream state, I can imagine that there is a pink unicorn outside of my room. If I go outside my room, there is a pink unicorn there, along with a big silver horn, and even a few other unicorns with different colors such as blue and yellow. This is because the dream state is much more susceptible to imagination, in fact, it is actually literally made out of imagination. In a sense, the default job or function of the dream is to reflect your subconscious feelings and thoughts that you accumulate from the waking state, which is why in non-lucid dreams you will see people you know from the waking state or encounter scenarios that you have feared in the waking state before. So, it has this function of bending itself to your feelings and imagination embedded into it. In both cases, waking and dreaming, the input from the ego stays exactly the same. I imagine something. Then, I leave it to the dream state/waking state to manifest what I previously imagined outside of my room. However, in the dream state, the ego assumes more control because what is manifested is very similar to what the ego imagined to itself. A pattern is created which says: "what you imagine and feel will probably show up as reality". And the ego identifies this pattern as a tool it can use to manifest things. It's like an invisible genie that eavesdrops on what you feel and think and then makes it come true, but your ego isn't actually the genie itself. The ego character is just a small part of the process. A dream is a very vivid form of imagination which your identity has been pulled into. Dreams are made from the same "stuff" you experience when you daydream normally, it's just amplified to a very extreme degree, because when you're asleep the waking state qualia vanishes and so it becomes much easier to identify with your imagination and get sucked into it. As such, it has a different feel and depth to it. It's more lower resolution than the waking state qualia, because your imagination by definition is your human brain's attempt at emulating the waking state qualia, and so it's never gonna reach an exact replication of the waking state. Even the perception of pain is much more dull there. So, this makes sense. This is also the same reason why there is never any audible inner monologue narrating things during your dream, because an inner monologue exists within the same medium that the dream exists within, which is your imagination. Inner monologues happen inside your head, and the dream state exists inside your head, so to speak. In order to perceive an "inner monologue" a waking state must be there to contrast it, which is not the case when you are dreaming. In the waking state, you could say there are two dimensions: The outer qualia which isn't your imagination, and the inner qualia which is your imagination (which is also where your inner monologue exists). In a dream state, there is only one dimension, which is just the imaginative qualia. There isn't a second qualia of imagination which is inside your dream character's head, that's impossible. The only qualia is just imagination. And so, your inner monologue is left with no other dimension to contrast itself with, and so it doesn't exist. You can still think, but there isn't an audible inner monologue, because in the dream state you will perceive all audible phenomenon as external. Furthermore, when you're dreaming, the things you're feeling and thinking about are made of the same qualia as the dreamscape. In waking reality, there is a contrast between your inner qualia and outer qualia. This is most likely why the dreamscape bends so easily to your thoughts and feelings, it's because your thoughts and feelings interfere with the fabric of the dreamscape, since it's made out of the same qualia.