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@Serotoninluv Hey whatever man, you stay in your world, for me this means nothing and it should mean the same for you. Thnx for the replies.

@Serotoninluv It's very simple, for god there is no duality, either green or blue, if that is the case then they should be equal. It's very simple, i'm sorry to say this but you are being a bit emotional otherwise there is no way you can miss this very simple thing.

@Leo Gura The why bother telling others that materialistic world view is limited or bad for humans if for god that is perfect and equal? Wouldn't chasing those truths or integrating them make them only more human than god?

@Leo Gura So that is another indirect way of confirming what i said? That materialistic world view is equal to any world view in the highest perspective(according to your teaching that is) if not then that means there is a condition to be fulfilled or otherwise a conditional/limited worldview. Which means that there is survival and relativism and so on only for limited humans.

@Leo Gura In that case there is no difference between green and blue world view or materialistic or imaginary worldview, so that means living in the materialistic worldview like most people is the highest view possible including anything one does, so why bother with any enlightenment or criticizing others as demons or not?

@Serotoninluv I don't think there was such difficulty when Leo compared hitle to jesus or at least that was my impression. Also i don't see the complex part into this for example ""For example, it assumes that there is a "limited human" that is separate from a "high perspective""" for this very reason there should not be any problem accepting both as the same, only if there is a separation would blue and green values matter from that high perspective, and since humans are and i guess that includes you if you differ, you then see a contradiction there. Because if they are not the same from that high perspective then there is a condition that doesn't allow god to accept it, or otherwise conditional view towards them.

@Serotoninluv "If I was pressed to be explicit, I would say that God values green higher than blue and God values them equally and God values blue higher than green and God makes no value judgement" basically from that high perspective it doesn't matter if you live in the materialistic world view or another world view, only a limited human would find value in such distinctions. Thnx for replying btw.

@Serotoninluv So are you saying that in that high perspective god values equally, stage blue concepts and green concepts ect?

@Leo Gura So are you saying that in that high perspective god values equally, stage blue concepts and green concepts ect?

@remember Unless you don't have any lust feelings, or anger or irritation of any sort in the last year without your permission then I am so in, but i highly doubt that you can do something like this unfortunately.

@remember Out of topic, but still it's not about me or how i see them. You can see them as good or neutral it doesn't matter, i am talking about power in general of emotions over humans and how a few who had control over them made a big impact.

@remember I have no idea what you are talking about. My post was about controlling emotions and how they dominate your life, if you don't agree give an example you did plenty i well received them, no need to jump to other topics or repeating things.

@remember Observing does nothing and you know it, i am content with them and i know their value. If you want to downplay their power then that is your choice.

@remember Why are you going around and around and around, you can have perfect consciousness and know every little detail about the sun, but you have no authority over it whatsoever. Emotions don't depend on you or whether you are one or none, you depend on them and you are forced to do what they say unless you can confront them head on. If you were above emotions you would have no single problem living under any worldview physical or imagination.

@Leo Gura I bet the feelings you are serving do. Keep your gods then.

@remember Nobody is fearing emotions, i am stating the fact that they are above anything and you will do as they command, if you are fine with that great, it's called the human condition. If you want to go beyond or know anyone who attempting let me know, now that is radical and inspiring something that everyone would notice and respect with ease.

@Leo Gura It doesn't matter if I exist or not, what is known for sure is that feelings exist and they don't care what you are they care for themselves and have strict rules they want you to follow and you will follow unless you are above them. You can't convince them with this stuff, you must know yourself already from your own extensive experience, they don't buy it unless they decide and give you permission. Oh you think they are gentle little fair things that if you ignore they will leave you alone? If the devil/ego had an army feelings would be its highest generals his ultimate weapons.

@Leo Gura If you can't control them than they will and actually are controlling you. If there is just one emotion that you can't control in a certain situation then it means you are under its and many other emotions influence. Whatever you consider awakening it seems that falls under their kingdom and you're a slave as a result. And if you get influenced by emotions than you are also influenced by what emotions are influenced and that includes for most humans the physical reality or however you emotions permit you to see it. If you brother were to die or in pain or any other family member for that matter it would dominate you even in what you consider the highest state of awakening. You can call it ego-mind or whatever labels are permitted to you but, your source of actions and thoughts is always determined by feelings. It's precisely feelings and many other "demons" unleashed that don't permit you to see reality as the physical world or to stop taking psychedelics, the feeling you are serving now with your attention and actions protects you from them and it instructs you how to see the world and threatens with the "demons" if you abandon it. A similar feeling made you take unjustly from concepts like logic so that it could fit and actually exist, and you did that but at what cost? It goes on and on, but as you already know the key evidence of slaves to emotions is that they can always act linear and predictable, you don't dare to live in a physical world view because you can't handle the demons with such fair war and so you take protection from delusion. You are not living and viewing reality its your master doing it through you.

@Nahm Feelings are above consciousness WAY above. You can only do what it commands you to do and only then you are free, it won't take petty sacrifices like consciousness and every living humans knows this including you.

@Nahm If there was nothing to run away from you would not mind abandoning your commanding feeling and choosing any paradigm you like, like the one most people have, but of course you can't do that for whatever reasons you might have in life, and so you have chosen to serve the feeling that gives you freedom from those "mistakes or unwanted feelings" but it has requirements which you can't show in public only in your mind and in this forum. Everybody who is human has such a master feeling they serve but some are way better than others. Still all is well as long as you have that costly protection and you can calm yourself with that fact for now, but what of the day where no intercession can be made and you're totally alone? Wouldn't it be better to start your right doing now, you certainly will think so when that time comes. You didn't deduce anything without your master considering it first as it seems your case is, and you went full obey mode with your comment from the start, not that i matters.

@Nahm Your entire response is based on your personal experience, which means you are writing what the feeling you most value commands you to do. I am doing the same. You are a slave to that feeling and it is very sensitive to what you write and when you oppose it and it won't allow you to do that and it will blackmail you with removing any security ti provides you from other feelings and sensations including the reality. Speaking of which you call it what the feeling wants you to call it. It wants the view of reality that you have right now otherwise you would be left alone unprotected to the other feelings you have tried to escape. If you want to serve that good luck, but it costs a lot.

Accepting or integrating as truth concepts like "everything is one" or "all is gods imagination" truly opens a ton of fulfilling ways to see the world in the materialistic point of view. For example, all Leos teaching are actually mine not his and they come from me not him, makes complete sense if I also accept that everything is one, that's because even if what we consider value is produced in different parts of the physical reality, since we are all one i can be the owner and strip the physical owner of ownership of value and that makes complete sense since in the total sum of things i took nothing and gave nothing, everything is imagination and such laws of rightful distribution don't work there or if everything is one. If you want riches, having adapted this truth you can do the same thing with someone who is rich ect till you go up with the level of desires. This way you can live your entire life as ordinary person doing any job you want and you will always be fulfilled no matter what, but that requires that you have integrated just that one truth otherwise you will follow the other limiting yet actually accepted and integrated "truths" that you might have in your life and obviously unlike the real deal they require you do to all sorts of other things to satisfy them.

In lacanian theory there exists this virtual thing called object petit a and it is the thing people want the most and are always chasing but will never get. Being unable to get it is called the human condition, those who try to get too close to it have to sacrifice a lot of things and go on the madness scale, and by fixing this connection to a normal standard they help the person suffering. People are not chasing concepts or anything material they are always chasing a feeling or control over them. Ultimately they want this virtual impossible concept to appear like a external source to them in their mind, this way they have control over their feelings. Everyone is a slave to a certain emotional state some healthy some not and are doing what it demands. Is it the feeling when you are high on psychedelics which allows your concepts to be true, or maybe the natural state where your grandiose concepts are just a delusion and not your concern and so you're excused, whatever the case your a slave to that emotional state, you're a human.

Let's say you are very high on the spiritual path and you start to attract a lot of people with just your normal presence and actions. What would be a good way to conceal your presence without lying? The reason for this is because you want a normal life and think there are already very good books and teachers about this out there. Hope this makes sense.