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I know what you mean, been in a similar situation in mushroom, its a knowing, a feeling that arise and tell you that if you don't fight this and let go, you'll never come back to life, or you'll go insane and remain in this state for the rest of your life. Probably the solution would be having taken enough dose that you wouldn't be able to fight the experience. I'm not sure if I ever going to do so, what if those crazy high doses damage my mind really? Cause I've had insanely challenging experiences in mushrooms with just 3grams lemon tek that terrified the shit out of me and I thought I will be insane like this forever. I cant imagine what 6grams would do to my mind.

@Maru No, but you can imagine that you've been. The truth is that awareness can never experience being unconscious, it's impossible.

@integral I don't know about plugging mushrooms, but you can make lemon tek, zero nausea for me, be careful though, it'll at least double the intensity too, but trip will be a bit shorter also.

WBTB method works great on me!! so it's been 4 days since I decided to seriously commit to master my sleep, I always wanted to put in deliberate regular practice into this work but for whatever reason I procrastinated it until a few days ago. My goal is to reach a level which I never ever loss consciousness in sleep. So in the past few days I started using this Indirect method to experiment with lucid dreaming, Basically for the past few days I sleep at 11 pm and Wake up at 6 am, meditate for 20 mins and go back to sleep, not a single day I missed the tunnel and vibration state!!! it's working from the very first attempt! basically at 6 am after meditation and falling sleep consciously my energy body starts to detach from my physical body and find myself floating in a tunnel which I previously talked about it in the recent posts, Today I figured that these few second of moving in that tunnel is a very crucial state and something need to be done here with my imagination in these few seconds to consciously enter a dream. tow attempts today and both worked successfully (first attempts trying to stand up while moving in that tunnel and second attempt imagining flying with a very high speed towards sky) having two lucid but very short dreams ( first dream 5 to 10 second and second dream probably 25 to 30 seconds. in the second dream all I did was engaging with my senses to stabilize the dream and make it a very long one but unfortunately ended very soon and I did nothing but rubbing my hands with each other and talking and smelling something. In the previous days I didn't have any lucid dreams most of the time I only experienced the tunnel and then snapped back to my body or had non-lucid dreams after the tunnel. The tunnel which I immediately enter after separation of my energy body and physical body looks similar to this: it's so weird man, I dunno why it's the case for me.

@Leo Gura It's very cool to realize God in some other beautiful dimensions or planes than just your ordinary room.

Wow!

Very real, the experience itself is crazy enough that you have really hard time staying calm really. Btw what's your thoughts on self-hypnosis ,reprogramming subconscious mind in a way that you define a trigger like a word or something, and once you said it and have the intention to have it, instantly put you on astral realm? Maybe its easier to be done with help of psychedelics? Have you encountered anyone in the forums who achieved something similar to this?

@Mercurio3 I think that could happen in almighty Salvia divinorum. Leaving this life completely to experience a totally different things I mean.

@DVL I think very few people in this forum are into lucid dreaming or these kinda of stuff in general, you'd have to use other specialized forums like dreamviews to reach out to advanced lucid dreamers. Btw what's your method for lucid dreaming?

Yes I'm pretty sure I'd land somewhere in the universe but the experience is so freaking real that I've never made it to the end and couldn't overcome my fear, so I after a few seconds I come back to my body. so I'm not really ready to go to some unknown places as a beginning of my astral travel journey. I need to be in the rea-time zone to be able to stomach whatever I'm experiencing and be able to slowly overcome my fears. I wish that was as easy as you said man, it takes a lot of work and dedication. Yeah, I'm just floating, it's like you are on a rocket. I dont know what i'm doing wrong, usually after exit people can just normally walk, that's not the case for me. hopefully. Yeah, currently I'm reading that pdf of frank kepple forum posts hopefully can find something useful in it.

@GreenWoods btw have you tried microsleep method?

Not really! Again I have zero doubt that dream realm is as real the physical realm, in fact my lucid dream experiences were much more detailed and vivid than physical world.

That book comes with so much valuable informations, but still I haven't found any solution in it to overcome my struggles, Basically when I reach the vibrational state and my energy body starts to detach from my physical body, after a few moments of being floating in space, I start to either go up or down in one direction in a high speed, I have no idea how to enter the real-time zone like the way Robert Monroe experience OBE, I still don't know where it would lead me because I either freak out or become so excited that I quickly come back to my body, staying calm is very crucial to avoid that. I don't know how I can enter the real-time zone, I don't know how I can normally just start to walk when I'm detached, it's really frustrating man, if you know any resources for this matter to recommend me to study or any books, I'd really appreciate it!

Man, I've had only a few spontaneous lucid dreams, but the experience was so shocking and so real and so vivid that it left me with zero doubt that dreams are as real as the physical realm if not even more.

No I mean these days how quickly you can consciously go to sleep? I'm using a similar method but it takes me at least an hour to reach the detachment state.

that's impressive! how do you practice the yoga nidra? and after these so many practices how quickly you can reach that state?

@GreenWoods when you reached the vibrational state how do you control your energy body? that's something I'm trying to figure out for a long time that how to do so in way that my will to control don't get me back to my physical body! because it's very easy to get back in that state! btw It takes almost an hour or an hour and half for me to dethatch myself from the physical body after remaining conscious in the hypnagogic state where you hallucinate until you loss consciousness, and the most effective method I use to remain conscious is through labeling anything that I'm conscious of one by one, be it a sensation, a thought, a hallucination, a sound etc. and when I caught myself lost in hallucination I quickly acknowledge that and label it, just a desire to stay conscious wont work for me, a constant mental activity is also a must! if I don't do this it's very easy to lose consciousness since the activity of prana on my brain when I relax or mediate is so hallucinatory, it's so strong that, most of the time when I want to quickly sleep I just concentrate on my forehead, it's a very effective way to lose consciousness easily haha.

Yes, it's been more than +15 hours that I couldn't connect.

I see, but still it's a very quick process unlike mushrooms. Do you still experience any challenges, fears or resistances in the trip come up after these so many experiences or it's always a very smooth process?

@Leo Gura If you dose high enough that you don't stand a chance to fight and it kill your ego within seconds, then how can it be like that without ego-mind?

@Leo Gura wouldn't you prefer higher degree of consciousness but still not high enough to face solipsism? I mean it's also nice to alter your consciousness but still be in the zone of the illusion of "others"

@Strangeloop you are pure awareness, holding everything (the world, the body, the mind etc) in yourself. Everything you point to, to identify yourself with that, you are only aware of it just like everything else in your consciousness.

It literally did not ever happen, the past literally doesn't exist, but only now, the way consciousness makes the illusion of the time is using whatever he can imagine in the present moment to be able to explain the past, fool himself to believe it. Even if you could time travel to past and future, your experience of that phenomena can only occur in the now.

@Leo Gura have you told your own mom that she is not your mother and your birth is just mere imagination?

Depends on the state of consciousness, when I'm sober it's very close to 0/10, but when I'm in an intense uncontrolled psychedelic trip then it's a totally different game.