TheSelf

No Never again after my sober awakening with meditation and self-inquiry and other concentration practices I did before the awakening, everything shifted to some high degrees from a state of ever suffering and depression because of thought process to being in the Now aware of everything (the self or awareness is always in the now aware of everything! either you realize it or not, your realization of it depends on what you identify yourself with), kind of shifted to open awareness, there's still some thoughts which arise from time to time, but very very minor thoughts and have zero power over me. and all sufferings one was experiencing before the awakening completely ended. either sitting in silence or watching a movie or any other actions the stillness of mind is always there! but does it matter really? either am "I" experiencing these or not you can never experience me , so it don't matter really. No, but I know how a person with a still mind experience life. if one is still highly identified with his ego-mind, its hard to understand how one can just sit and enjoy doing nothing. Ramana Maharshi lived his life really that simple. do you enjoy meditation or not? don't imagine these limits on yourself, you as the self are not identical to your ego-mind's false imaginary self. You can easily let go of the thought process and enjoy the present moment all the time, it just requires certain practices. Yes of course. Yes, thoughts will arise but with zero identification and power over you. which is simply like experience of hearing a sound. you see thoughts at what it is really, you don't make any meaning out of the thought's content. it's freedom from thoughts. Yes if your mind loses it's power over you with the practices. there's degrees to this. I'm not enlightened, but in my current state I cant imagine how Ramana Maharshi could experience boredom really, the mind simply transcends so these experiences who belong to ego-self will also be transcended too.

Ahh not really, what is that? lol Even those who had "actual" near death experience caused by any accidents or whatsoever who returned after, their body was still in operative state to some degrees and was not stopped working completely. even if it was stopped working completely the body was still there and not annihilated. are you bunch of flesh and bone or beyond that? because you can die and everyone consider you dead while your body still have it's normal functioning, blood still flowing normally in veins, body alive "you" dead!

See, you still talking about an ego-self in that being, I assumed one transcended one's ego-mind and removed identifications to some great degrees in his "sober awakening". so, huge reduction in the thought process and automatically being in the present moment all the time would be the consequence of such awakening. I'm referring to Eckhart Tolle kind of enlightenment. I acknowledge one can also experience Absolute Truth with none sober methods in whatever level he is at and comeback from the high to his ego-self state. but I don't consider that liberation. I simply talked about liberated beings.

Because it's not direct and very badly fucks with your subconscious mind and memory! you gonna feel like you fucked your life FOREVER and damaged you psyche ,and you gonna be insane like this and psychologically damaged for fucking ever! and at the same time you absolutely know you are dying and time literally stops. I remember I was checking my phone every minute and time literally were stopped for me! one experienced the illusion of HELL in it's perfection! if you wanna try mushroom go for "Golden Teacher", never ever touch "Penis Envy Albino", this shit is literally pure poison! in my golden teacher trip "I" melted in love and bliss like something I've never ever could imagine! easily could surrender everything like how you surrender when you go to sleep, absolutely positive trip. but I don't call those "Penis Envy" trips bad trips because you can learn a lot from any experience really.

Actual death? What do you mean by that? If you're conscious that this very moment is who you are and not mixture of thoughts, emotions and perceptions, how can you possibly imagine the death of the Now? Btw stay away from mushrooms really! Specially "Penis Envy Albino". Mushrooms are absolute worst hallucinogenic substances to experience ego-death IMO.

There's "fear" because of death and nothing else in our human experience! Fear doesn't make sense! It's only ego-mind's mechanism to protect itself against this most unknown and mystery phenomena that conditioned mind knows absolutely nothing about it because to know death is to experience death. Simply by dying over and over one can overcome this illusion too. And I say it's an illusion because everything you experience is actually illusory in nature. What the fuck it even means to die over and over? In one of my intense mushroom trips "I" experienced dying for 3 fucking hours but actually for eternity and in all possible ways "I" could imagine! ?? 3 hours in intense mushroom trip is forever dude! "I" simply died and died and fucking died until "I" realized nope, it's just impossible and doesn't even make sense to die haha. Contemplate "experiencing" death! What?? What it is like to experience being dead? See It doesn't really make sense if you contemplate deeply. It's all just imaginary and Illusory in nature. The same illusory way you experience fir example happiness.

Boredom is simply ego's defense mechanism to fight against the very present moment which of course is the source of the ego. The more you stay in the present moment having nothing to do to distract yourself of yourself, the more you harass your ego, so of course expect some strong resistances towards This. ego won't simply sit and watch it's death. And of course this whole thing about ego are just illusions and nothing else, eventually you'll see there's not a separate being from you living inside you called Ego! Once consciousness expanded all these illusions are gone!

@Schahin No, it's just impossible. Boredom is the consequence of ones lack of consciousness. You simply are saying "I'm unconscious AF" by saying "I'm bored". Once one expanded one's consciousness beyond default identification with ego-mind like ordinary man, one cannot even imagine being that unconscious again.

Yeah I actually surprised myself how well the teachings and explanations worked on him, i didn't really expected anything, he was never listened to me to meditate regularly. I thought he'll completely forget about everything and reset the day after, but nope, this time something clicked on him. Some people who suffer their illusory self so much suddenly get it and everything shift in them. Like Eckhart Tolle who realized it all by pure intolerable sadness and mental suffering and had no clue about a damn thing about sprituality or meditation.

@AdamR95 I taught self-enquiry to one of my friends, and tried to make him become conscious of his true nature, during the teachings and explanations he experienced a very clear state of mind like something he have never experienced before! His crazy thought process was literally gone! Even though he didn't even have experience of meditation much! After a few days he told that his life is literally changed forever and he'll never be the same again! And some days after He told me that he just needs 30 seconds to completely clear his mind again and gain consciousness if he become unconscious again! ( He was a nervous, depressed person and had a lot of psychological problems for a very long time) This is how these techniques work on a person who is not even into sprituality or even are interested! But he was suffering his illusory self, so I helped him destruct whatever was made unconsciously during years of his life and see something which cannot be unseen after!

You'll reach a state which you become so conscious of who you are that it'll dramatically reduce your thought process in unimaginable way forever! Then after there's only thoughts when needed. And even if unwanted thoughts arise, there's no one to care about! See? Then being unconscious like before would be impossible for you no matter what you do or what situation you are in.

I recommend self-enquiry too! Very very powerful technique.

Yes thoughts, emotions can still exist, but are we 100 percent identified with it like ordinary people? See in this path we practise and strive to remind ourselves of our true nature, every time we are lost in the illusions of the ego-mind, so the more we see the distance between ourselves and the illusions the more conscious we become, and eventually the mind is no mind! See it's all about the power you give to the mind by forgetting about your true self, and becoming unconscious, if you completely forget about it then I'm afraid you're fucked up and lost in the dream!

See we all fear in life right? But how much of our fears is like the one you described? Almost zero! We worry and fear 99 percent of time about some of the most ridiculous stuff too that we don't actually have to! You can only worry, fear, become anxious when you are not conscious enough! Even in some serious life threatening scenarios self-aware people don't lose themselves in the mind body automatic reactions! Because they realized their true nature! So they are fine even when they are not fine!

Imagine you become lucid in your dream, and instead of enjoying as much as you can and do whatever you wanna do untill you wake up, you start worrying about stuff in the dream you know there's absolutely nothing to worry about in a dream but still there's experience of worrying!! What?! it doesn't fucking make any sense really.

No worry.

You are no a thing! you are reality beyond time and space! changeless, stateless being! Pure being. notice that nothing, something, this and that are only byproduct of the finite mind! if you don't think, everything is exactly as it is!

I agree with you, but it shouldn't be more than just a tool for us, for most people their mind and thought process is where they actually live in, they don't know how beautiful and amazing it is to just "be" without following a constant stream of thoughts! it's a huge problem! but they are so unconscious that probably they will never become conscious of this whole thing! unless they suffer so much that eventually being in spiritual path would be inevitable for them. Exactly! we use it when it's needed, if we chose to sit in silence for 10 hours straight without thoughts there should be no problem! if we can't then it's a big problem. It's the absolute best state one can b in! our natural state of just being!

"I" am practicing digital art for almost 10 years, "I" perform my best when there's absolutely no thoughts, fully in the zone, mind completely shutdown! In fact "I" just witness the creative force express himself through my hand! "I" don't do anything! "I" need to be gone for the creative force to perform it's job with absolute perfection!

Notice that when you're on autopilot mode your are time traveling, you can be found everywhere but absolutely not in the present moment and so have very little almost no attention on what you're doing. So we'd be even much finer being in present moment fully engaged with the task in hand in the no-mind state. In fact you'd be even fine being in this state almost all the time!

@Leo GuraI'm just curious, do you prepare you self every time before your trip for your actual physical death knowing that you may never come back again this time?

@Dark_White You remain! As always there's only you! Are you different from objects and others in your dreams? From dreamer's POV yes, but from mind's POV obviously No. See, from awareness POV either it's dreaming blank or stuff, its all one continues dream. Awareness can dream and experience anything it wants.

@Dark_White imagine you pick up an object in your dream looking at it, in the dream it'll appear rigid and solid object just like "real world" objects wich from your point of view obviously is something and not nothing right? But from the mind's point of view who dream that plus everything else, it's actually nothing (no a thing)! It's made up of pure knowingness, awareness. It was never that wich appeared to be. That's how everything = nothing. Nothing is not equal to none existence, it exist but its no a "thing".

@ilja Letting go of it would be the best strategy to deal with this, because you don't wanna treat it like it's an actual entity living in you! If you constantly think about it or decide to do some serious work to get rid of it, then you unconsciously giving energy and life to it and making it real and real everyday for yourself. You should seriously avoid this.

@ilja Your friend is probably still living in your subconscious mind, it takes time and some effort from you to let go of him and slowly forget about him.