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@assx95 I think becoming less needy is often the key. Find something that gives you confidence and that is more important to your life than girls, and bring that confidence and passion into your interactions with women. A compelling life purpose will often do the job, or find some interesting hobby that sparks up your life and give you a sense of joy. Meeting girls should be an expression of who you are, so make sure that you work on making your authentic self someone that you are excited to share with the girl. And also, look at it as a journey and a process and embrace the fact that it's not going to be easy all the time and also appreciate the small improvements along the way! And then as people say, do cold approach (if you feel comfortable with that) or join social groups so that you get to meet people person to person. But also, you can work on texting as well, because even though you don't build attraction that way, there are still ways to text that make women comply to a date far more often than if your texting was "bad". Good luck, bro!

I think there are some aspects to consider that differs between united states and most countries with free health care.. For example the fact that doctors have to pay a lot for their education in the US. This is not the case in Denmark or any other Scandinavian country for instance. This would mean that they would expect higher salaries which again would mean more expensive health care. It's also much easier to sue people in the states which means that doctors needs expensive insurances in order to avoid being sued, again pushing the cost of being a doctor up and thereby also the costs of going to the doctor. That is not the case in as far as I know in most other countries, but I could be wrong here. It's also hard to compare what you get for the money. Is the quality of the health care the same? Most of the time private firms deliver better quality than state owned institutions, but in this case it would probably just be speculation and hard to compare the quality between countries. And lastly, can the US actually afford it? And if so, what other things need to change in order to make free health care a good/possible solution?

@aclokay Funny that you wrote this, because I've been thinking about this a lot too. I'm studying financial economics and am currently striving to find a way to use my knowledge in a way that is not just about making profits, but in fact contributing to value creation. As of today, I have two ideas in mind. A year ago I came across something called "green finance" which is basically about making "green" portfolios, consisting of green and innovative businesses, and marketing them in a way that make more people invest in these portfolios/businesses. I think this is contributing to making more people interested in and aware of green shares, which will make the profits of these shares go up. If you don't have time to analyze all the individual businesses or want someone to invest consciously for you, I think these fonds could be nice. If you have some money that you are not afraid to lose, you could also consider to invest them in start ups that have some sort of concious vision that match your values. Then you are not an entrepreneur yourself, but you are helping other entrepreneurs with funding from scratch, which for many of those would mean the difference between existence and non-existence. If you have some specific talent or vision that you would like to contribute with to the firm, you will probably be in a good position in actually having some influence on how these businesses are run. It seems like this last thing was something you could find interesting, and if you get to know the right people and join some entrepreneurial work shops, you could probably find people like this.

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This would only be right if people were actually not taking the teachings as dogma. As long as there are some people viewing it as dogma, posts like these will be good in order to clearify such things, and it will also serve as a reminder for people who are starting to go in the direction of blindlessly following whatever Leo says.

Watched this yesterday and couldn't really grasp it, but I could sort of feel the potential of the message. Gonna rewatch it at a later point.

I agree. And I would also add that I believe most people have a sort of equlibrium state that they always get pulled back to after a positive or negative experience. Some people tend to be negative in general and no matter how many good experiences they get, they will always find some way back to hell. Some other people however, tend to do the opposite. They can have a bad experience and feel horrible for a while, but find their way back to a positive state pretty soon. In addition, having a purpose and being on a hero's journey would certainly help, but I feel like the inner human equilibrium state is just as important for general happiness.

Sounds like a great idea, I would use it for sure!

Take 2,5% of the orange and give it to the blue people who misinterpret this as religious stuff and I think you're pretty accurate.

Hahaha, exactly. Yeah we have to work on that. It's gonna be a long list and we'll have to work on every single assumption in detail. Better get to work!

I think we're pretty much on the same page. I was making the assumption that it's not suitable to use on others which was probably a too strong of a claim. For me personally, I think that would turn out to be a distraction, but if you are more conscious and have a better intuition than me, then maybe you would be able to pull it of. I still feel, though, that the real power lies in introspection no matter who you are.

@UnconsciousHuman also I like that you use the word "in-depth". That means that you probably won't stop at the first layer of introspection. You could probably go even deeper until you potentially find the rock bottom assumptions of your entire ego existence. Then we're REALLY approaching the powerful potential of the model

"This model is looking in-depth at your intention when communicating not how you communicate". I think this is a great framework and really where the power of this model lies. However, as i tried to point out, the fact that it has nothing to do with the content ( what is actually being said) but rather the structure ( the intention behind what is being said) it makes it unsuitable to use on others. When you interact with others you only see their content, you can't observe their intentions directly. Which again, makes it pointless to try and analyze others intentions, because the only thing you can really experience is your own intentions. Everything else becomes assumptions and is distracting you from the real value of the model which is introspection.

@andyjohnsonman I think thats pretty much the limit for me. I can be open to ufos, aliens, flying spons and forks and all that, but spiral dynamics being wrong? That's pretty much impossible at this point lol

I realized something when I read through this whole thread. Many so called discussions I've had in the past usually started of with a good intention. I wanted to share my ideas and also get some feedback on them ( or at least that was what i thought). But then, when I eventually got some feedback and it didn't fit my model or was too challenging, it didn't take long before my intentions went from wanting to share and learn to wanting to prove myself right. This especially happened when the person I was speaking to was extra critical and was communicating aggresively which would further challenge my own view and kind of shake my reality an extra bit. I'm not neccesarily saying that this happened in this thread, but I think a good excersice would be to go through the thread and try to figure out what the motivations behind all the different comments was, and why that was. I think this is a perfect example of how the model itself can help spread awareness of your own intentions and what triggers them.

Nice thread, and interesting model! I was only familiar with the 4 letter combination model, but i think this one brings another interesting perspective. Personally I would say I go straight into the "analyst" category, very lexical and lateral. I realize my best potential when I'm put in a situation where there is some sort of structure to the problem that is going to be solved and where the steps of the process is defined. I tend to be stuck in my head and use a lot of time trying to formulate stuff to write the "perfect" comments that totally reflects what I think with the uppermost precision. I lack creatvity and tend to be more logical. I also think in terms of pictures, which has made me use visualization a lot on found that to be a very powerful technique. Many times I'm not able to follow conversations when it goes to fast and I lack the quick witted, on the spot, and intuitive communication. According to the other model I am an ESTP, even though I'm not sure if I really fit into this category. I think actualized.org has made me implement som impressionistic thinking in the terms that you view the reality in a totally new way, but as far I've really only grasp the things that has some sort of logical implications to them. I feel like my sticking point is to be able to be more impressionistic, but it feels like the rationalistic paradigm has my balls to some degree. Any recommendations to how I can learn to think more impressionistic and become more creative? Thanks!

@UnconsciousHuman oh, i see. No I was thinking more about the fact that using it on others could easily be a distraction from what is actually important, which is introspection. As well, how can you actually determine others intent with any presision when all you see is words without any emotions or story behind them?

I'm not sure what you mean here, but I'm pretty sure it's a distraction.. I got you, buddy!

@UnconsciousHuman Ok, good! That's what I'll use it for too. Yeah, so maybe stage orange/three has it place some times, and maybe even red (idk), but then at least you have to be concious about why you're choosing that specific communication style. Is that what you're suggesting?

@UnconsciousHuman I like the concept, man. Took me a while to understand the distinction between intention and the actual spiral dynamics stage, but finally got it I think it matches the theory in the sense that if the ego is threatened enough, a stage green person could easily start attacking and basically enter a temporary state, which would remind more of stage red. It would be a great tool to use on oneself for introspection each time you write a comment. Which themes are engaging the more orange part of me? Where am I able to stay objective and unbiased? And where does my ego get triggered so much that I start misinterpreting and using tactics in order to win an "argument"? But I would stay away from using it on others as I see a lot of potential challenges with that. But hey, great model!

I imagine that the most concious people just recognise when people shame them without reacting to it more emotionally than any other trivial event, and respond to it intuitively based on the context. The response could probably be very different from time to time. Sometimes you maybe would turn the other cheek and make a joke or something, but other times you would maybe come up with some comeback to shake the abuser of their core or set a boundary.

There are so many things I love and are interested in that sometimes it can almost be too much After I started my economics studies I found out that I'm just as much interested in psychology and how the inner world works. So now I'm exploring new sides within economics which integrates peoples psychology and different development stages through spiral dynamics and models as such. I've also become very interested in coaching and a part of me is considering to try to pursue that domain. Also, I play a lot of golf, and after being inside playing on simulators for the winter we're finally able to play outside and it just feels AMAZING To hit the ball with a perfect stroke and see the ball fly with a small draw is just the best feeling in the world! ( yes, better than sex).

@Parththakkar12 Awesome man! Your putting a lot of effort into this and it really brings a lot of value to the table. Great job! I'm actually sharing your vision to a certain degree and I'm very curious about how stage yellow organisations and leadership would look like. I suspect the following: It would be more innovative: The goal of a yellow system would be to contribute positively to the system and society as a whole. In this regards, the best way they can do this is to be innovative and not engage in competition by trying to outcompete others and push them out of the market. It would be much more dynamic: Since stage yellow realizes the complexity of the system it would try to create an organisation that is able to change rapidly and take action on changes in different circumstances. In order to do this the organisational structure would probably be flatter, and have less hierarchies, which makes innovation and changes easier to make. I said earlier that stage yellow would have several leaders. I'm not sure if that's the case, but i think the system would be organised in a way that makes sure that all perspectives is taken into consideration, and that the people who have the most competence in specific areas would have more power in decisions regarding those areas. This could potentially be threatend with only one leader, however the system would have to weigh the positive against the negatives in regards to that, because there would definitely be positive aspects in having just one leader. More focusing on marketing, unique qualities, organisational culture, and structure: Marketing is about knowing your market and your specific place in that market. In order to do that you have to know what your market want and create a system where the organisation is in best shape of creating what your customer wants. This of course also go backwards, you have to find a market niche that wants what you can actually produce. This will be affected by the unique qualities within the organisation, the culture, and the structure of the organisation. So a stage yellow leader will understand these important dynamics and focus on how to make sure all of these factors plays together in harmony and creates the specific results that the organisation wants. More leadership, less management: While a stage orange would use a lot of time doing management, a stage yellow would realize that leadership is much more powerful. In leadership you are thinking more long term and is more about developing your employees and giving them tools for succeed long term. It's also about visioning and changing systems. Management, on the other hand is more short term and is about controlling the process as it happens. Whilst that is important, a business who solely focus on management will not succed long term and will be blind to the changes that happens in front of their eyes. In the time we are living with so much changes going on it's especially important to be aware of this, and this is recognized by the yellow person.