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I'm consuming meat which gives me a lot of b12 at least 4 times per week. My dairy milk contains 1ug of b12 per 100ml. Eggs twice a week. I'm getting way over the RDA every day on food.

The above could explain why arousing activities are triggering my symptoms. It could explain why exercise is making me feel like this. I don't have exercise intolerance that leads to fatigue/tiredness, it's leading to worse depression/anxiety/irritability because of these reasons above.

The body is designed to move, but I think it's about knowing at what point exercise is benefiting you and making you feel better and at what point the amount of exercise you're doing is no longer going to lead to any health benefits but merely place more stress on the body and your body will simply adapt to it. I do think that exercise beyond a certain point could age you prematurely because intense exercise can increase cortisol and stress ages people. The only thing I'd say is listen to your body. Exercise to a certain degree can make you feel better. Sedentary lifestyles are proven to be unhealthy. So it's about finding the middle ground between unecesssary wear and tear levels so stressful exercise and sedentary.

Sigh that's it? Raw foods. Wow what an amazing revelation.

One thing I've noticed is I have thinning eyebrows, noticed thinning hair, and for several years had irritated eye lids. Thyroid seems ok on the tests. Not sure if this is relevant @Michael569@Jason Actualization @undeather Not sure what else to do now. I feel like I should spend more time trying to find answers, but it's difficult not to procrastinate when nothing is getting you anywhere lol. I don't know where else to go.

Eggs - Because the cholesterol levels are insane lol. I eat fish 3x per week and chicken 1x per week. I drink Milk daily, I also make sure to get a whole milk with 1ug of b12 per 100ml, and I drink tea so I'm trying to get in quite a bit of b12. I personally just hate cooking that much, and am afraid of food poisoning if I get it wrong lol.

Also Michael regarding the stress analysis, I'm not sure. Is it possible it's all psychosomatic? Maybe, it just doesn't make sense that a lack of physical activity calms the symptoms right down, but exercise of any kind, even just walking makes the symptoms worse and it's the primary exacerbator. I understand exercise increases heart rate, but walking has always calmed me down before. I used to be awesome after a hike, now even just 1hr walks leaves me feeling considerably worse. I'd understand if it was high intensity exercise but this is just walking we're talking about here. It never used to be this way. I am seeing a private psychologist now, but it just doesn't make sense for this all to be mental.

But to answer some of your question michael - Do you often experience diziness when standing up fast or hight heart rate without any stimulus? In regards to diziness when standing up, sometimes but it's more often when I get up and start walking aroud I notice it.. If I ever get symptoms like diziness/lightheadness it happens randomly or when walking. Heart rate high without stimulus - Yes this happens I notice that if I've been walking more it happens. And since these issues started my heart rate by default has been higher than it was before. I actually notice sometimes my heart rate increases when I get up. My doctor just said it was likely anxiety. work/life balance? 35 hours per week, nothing strenuous. I'm actually off work sick for the first time in like 6 years. Sleep quality? It has been impacted by these issues, I am waking up during the night almost every night, but I'm getting close to 7-8 hours 5-6 days a week, and I'm usually able to fall back to sleep, but before these issues I could fall out like a light and be asleep for 8+ hours fine. Are there stressors where you live impacting you? (personal, relationship, work, recent trauma etc) Nothing. No trauma, no changes in life circumstances. any mould presence in the house? None that I can see Poor ventilation? I keep my windows open as excess dust can impact my eyes, and of course I cannot open my windows as much during winter, but these symptoms started during the summer where i was outside a lot and my windows were always open. Excessive use of gas cooking? All electric. Very high proximity to busy roads? High levels of polution? Sure I'm close to busy roads. Old carpets? Very old building? Recent or less recent floodings? - My apartment was destroyed by a storm late 2021. I was living with parents from dec 2021-June 2023. My carpets were changed. The whole place was flooded, but it was dried out and everything was gutted, rewired and refurbished. Would you say you are relatively sentive to strong smells or bright lights or loud sounds? My sense of smell for a while has been not great. My appetite for about 10 years has been inconsistent. So I did have pre-existing issues, but I managed them and those symptoms existed for several years before these issues started. Bright lights and loud sounds don't bother me too much. migraines? No.

Btw thank you to all you again for helping me, I know you don't have to. I feel guilty.

Hello. Do you have an email? I can send you all the blood tests via email if you want because there's a lot of them. It would take a long time to screenshot everything.

I've had comprehensive blood tests in 3 different places - twice by an NHS UK doctor, and had other tests in two other companies. b12 as mentioned above and Omega 3. Copper, zinc, folate, thyroid and a bunch of other nutrient based blood tests done. Only things showing any concern is omega 3 and b12, although b12 is within normal ranges according to doc. I was put on a 24 hour BP monitor. According to my doc, sometimes it was a "little low" but not out of healthy range, but she wasn't overly concerned about it because she said it could because I'm healthy. My BP, according to the one I use myself, sometimes goes down to 95-100 over 60/65, but rarely ever below what's considered healthy. She no longer seems concerned about this or is just chalked it down to anxiety. It sometimes goes as high as 125-80, but calms down quickly, and often rests at 110/115-65/70. I thought hypoglycaemia may have been the issue, but I used a GM and my blood sugar always seems to be in normal ranges. I even went out for a walk on an empty stomach first thing in the morning, came back and it was 4.2. I was put on a 24 hour ECG - No issues raised. They said any irregularity detected was of no major concern. They now seem to be insinuating all my other symptoms as stress/anxiety, My stomach issues - They tested me for celiac but nothing showed. They again said stress could be causing it. They prescribed me an anti-spazm medication to take before every meal, but I have decided not to take it because of concerns about side effects and also doing my own experiments. They told me to take it for a month and they will call me back... lol. I have avoided eating gluten recently, but I also took a break from longer walks as physical activity aggrivates my stomach. I will add gluten back into my diet soon and if my issues arise again, that may be an answer, but I'm also increase my walks again slowly, and if that aggravates it, then ok. But I'm hoping me being able to take a solid shit again now is due to my dietary changes (improved omega and b12) working well. We'll see. I'm going for a 7-8 thousand step walk tonight, and hopefully I will feel ok. Some walks can be very peaceful. I was one walking 15 miles a day on the weekend an 8-10 miles a day on the weekdays. I miss it. It's better than meditaton.

Typical Incel thoughts and mindset - JUST TO BE CLEAR NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW. 1) I'm ugly, and I'll never get laid because I didn't win the genetic lottery. 2) There's nothing I can do to improve my chances of getting laid, I'm fucked. Self improvement is pointless. 3) Women are virtue signalling whores who lie by saying they care about personality, but all they care about is looks and money. All they care about is getting dicked by chads. BTW I'm not talking about all guys struggling to get laid, I'm talking about a typical incel in the incel community.

Agreed. You cannot chase truth if you're so mentally disabled you don't even know what is going on in the room around you.

Been having issues - I don't get tired during physical activity but it's triggering symptoms like tightness, lightheadedness, depression, irritability, anxiety. It's not even high intensity exercise, it's just 40-1 hour walking sometimes less that brings it on. Exercise also sometimes triggering stomach issues, and many of the symptoms calm or go away once physical activity stops. Was vegan for 8 years. Had tonnes of blood tests. Planned my diet out very thoroughly. B12 levels - 292 ng/l serum (150-1000 range for normal), 44 pmol/l active (37.5-150 range), MMA test surpringly normal. The results are low end of normal, so people are advising me I may have a deficiency in b12 which is possible, although I didn't address it for years because docs always told me I was fine. Omega 3 ratio - Despite the fact when I was vegan I consumed chia and flax seeds daily + epa/dha supplement, and my cronometer showing a ratio of around 1:1 - 2:1 on a daily basis, my blood tests showed a 19:1 crappy ratio in favour of omega 6 Part of me would believe it's all just in my head and it's mental health impacting my physical health but if I stop physical activity, the symptoms calm themselves right down. Something about physical activity is fucking with me badly. It's like a sort of exercise intolerance, although I still have energy, I feel shit emotionally/mentally after any significant physical activity. Also i get tightness around my body and lightheadness. It's not even high intensity exercise as I know that increases cortisol, it's literally just walking. I stopped being vegan about a month ago now, still mostly plant based, but eating fish 3x a week + 1x other meat like chicken, 2x 2 eggs per week and milk. I think I may be starting to feel better now, although it's difficult to tell at this stage.

I'm still getting it from food, but surely a b12 supp wont hurt? Although I am concerned about side effects lol.

Do you reckon it could be my omega 3 levels instead? My test showed a shit range of 19:1 back in january before I stopped being vegan.

So my issues may not be b12 related then. I'll supplement anyway and see what happens.

@undeather @Jason Actualization

Overview Veg 1 - Sugar, Dextrose, Thickening Agent (Xanthan Gum), Bulking Agent (Microcrystalline Cellulose), Lubricant (Stearic Acid), L-Selenomethionine Prep. (Selenium), Lichen Cholecalciferol Prep. (Vitamin D3), Anti-Caking Agent (Silicon Dioxide), Flavouring (Orange), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Folic Acid, Potassium Iodide (Iodine), Cyanocobalamin (Vitamin B12) Vitamin B12 (25µg – 1,000%) Vitamin D3 (20µg - 400%) Iodine (150µg - 100%) Selenium (60µg - 109%) Vitamin B2 (1.6mg -114%) Vitamin B6 (2mg - 143%) Folic Acid (200µg - 100%) -------------------------------------------- As you know I've been having issues, which may be due to a deficiency, but I cannot help but notice that my symptoms started soon after I went on a new supplement that I fear triggered these symptoms. I was completely fine for years and then the symptoms started in sep 2023, and the only thing that stands out to me that changed in my life around the time the symptoms started, was this supplement that I started taking. I took it for several weeks july-sep leading up to when the symptoms started. The symptoms started somewhat gradually but it was still quite rapid. About 6 months ago I started getting symptoms like - An exercise intolerance - Feeling irritable, anxious, restless and depressed after any form of exercise, even walking, so it was not a problem with over exertion. Also I'm getting stomach issues like pain, diorreah and really bad farts. I also experience lightheadedness and sometimes even tinnitus. If I stop physical activity, the physical and psychological symptoms significantly subside, although not completely. I never had these issues before in my life, and they came on abruptly, and nothing else in my life changed besides the consumption of this supplement. I know it could be a deficiency but could this supplement have kick started any long term side effect?

I recommend if you're not engaging in any physical exercise you start doing do, even if it's just an hour walk. If I am sedentary throughout my day, I don't sleep well. Also avoid caffeine and processed crap late at night. Avoid bright screeens.;

@Princess Arabia Apologies if you guys don't feel I'm taking your advice seriously. I'm actually up and down right now because at times I think I'm feeling better, but then I get the symptoms in again. I had a weird moment of bliss like I hadn't experienced for a long time on friday night where I didn't even have to meditate, my mind was still and the entire room was enough to satiate me. Then I got hit with some symptoms on and off over the weekend. One moment feeling a child like uncaring freedom like being reminded of what it was like to be a 15 year old and then feeling like I was doing deep breathing exercises to make sure an anxiety attack doesn't arise. I think my dietary changes are kicking in. Maybe the improved Omega 3 or B12. I'm getting my Methyl results back this week so I'll report in. Thank you for your guys support. Unfortunately my local doctors keep on getting antagonistic when I mention low b12, they just say "there's no reason to do any further tests", and they are focusing on my stomach problems and have prescribed me an anti-spasmodic medication and told me they'll call me in a month. I am of course likely not taking that shit. I have tried to remove gluten in case that could be causing it, but for some strange reason exercise seems to be the thing aggravating the symptoms more than anything else. The difficult thing is in the UK you have to see a General Practitioner before you get referred anywhere else. I called the non-emergency number twice and they do shit like ecg's and stuff and then just refer me back to my GP. Hopefully once my MMA test comes back with a definitive answer, I'll take that to my doctor and they'll finally recognise what they issue is.

I've been trying to figure out my depression and anxiety for many years. Although I feel at times I've had it under control, I notice that a lot of the things that used to give me joy I avoid now because it just stimulates an anxiety response/depression rather than joy. My depression/anxiety issues started randomly about 9 years ago and I've never been able to make much sense of them. I tested a theory out regarding stimulation - PLEASE READ. A couple of years ago - I meditated/sat for about an hour to calm my mind, then went for a 3 hour hike, and after 2-3 hours my mind would be very peaceful. I came back from that walk at peace. As soon as I got home I started listening to music like rock or trance music, stuff that emotionally/mentally stimulates you, and there was a brief moment of enjoyment and remembering how music used to make me feel all those years ago, but then the feelings of uneasiness and depression started to kick in after a few minutes and the music just starts to make me feel bad. And I'd feel a lack of peace for the rest of the day. The type of music is largely irrelevant, whether it's negative or positive music. Although ambience music/peaceful music seems to be low stimulation and has a calming effect rather than an emotionally stimulating effect, so I started listening to more of that because it didn't trigger the anxiety. It seems in my current state, anything that stimulates my brain significantly triggers depressive/anxiety feelings, and this probably why I started to enjoy walking/hiking so much because it de-stimulates the mind, but I'd have to dedicated hours and hours to it to get the desired effect. Could it be a damaged central nervous system? Could it be clinical depression/anxiety? Why does my brain/mind respond negatively to stimulation now? The only things I've been able to really enjoy over the last several years are things that have a calming effect on me like hiking and ambient music.

I've been on nofap for most of the last 8-9 years because I notice I feel mentally and emotionally shit after. Not so much physically unhealthy but irritable and depressed.

1. how did you know you had issues with heavy metals 2. What results have u got?

How are you feeling now on your medications? Any side effects? Do u feel good in general?