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Lol, You act like your a machine just acquiring beliefs be spontaneous and live! Neither materialism or spirituality conclude your ability to enjoy life. you do.

Reality is infinitely open ended. Taoism and Tantra are well established and respectable spiritual paths (both which I am a novice in practicing) and sex and masturbation practices are done for spiritual purposes. Ive spent a bit of time around sex shamans, Taoists and tantrics… sacred sexuality is a big field to explore and I hope some of you do. I heard Osho say something like “Lust is the dirt/ soil that the flower blossoms from” Reclaim your sex, your Eros, your sensuality, your love, your body, you genitalia and don’t let a sick society shame you for your God given gifts. This flower sits right between you legs. Enjoy it. There isn’t just one or two spiritual paths or techniques.There are many. How something looks today it won’t look tomorrow. Allow things to reconfectualize over time. Ive had trips when I totally realized “My penis is meaningless” And then I laughed and laughed and laughed because it’s fucking none sense all this shame and fear.

The way Leo describes meditation “the same old breath counting technique”… I think if he began exploring Qigong, meridians and tan tians he would see that even meditation have so many variations. I admit he likely acknowledges this but. There is more than just boring sitting and doing nothing meditation out there.

They do ketamine therapy in my city if you have a referral. I’m considering it… but, it’s not likely a priority

Take it easy dude

A bunch... There should be threads on this and Leo has a whole video. They are very dangerous and require maturity and responsibility taking.

Can someone tell me why they think masturbation is a bad thing to do? Let’s say you lay down, massage your belly, nipples etc and then you explore your own sexuality, build up a few times a send bust into a love filled joyful experience and then go about your day. What is wrong with that?

Porn is literally just people naked or fucking. There is a difference between healthy shame and toxic shame. Can you tell the difference? Porn is related to the point about the church. Whether you can make that connection or not is up to you. Your body is designed to feel good when you do the right things. Shaming masturbation or sex done in a healthy way just seems foolish to me. It fils your whole body with a joy, love, vitality when done properly. if you abuse it and do it in a low quality way you drain your life force. @Something Funny I’ve linked a book and 2 videos in the thread. I have done it, but it takes practice. I’m rather novice at it. I practiced today, didn’t ejaculate and used some Qigong and filled my middle Dan tian with a vibrant love. I’m saying this. Don’t shame your body, don’t shame pleasure. When you own your sex and enjoy your sexuality, your pleasure etc I think you can reach higher levels of spirituality, relationships, and creativity and business. Sex is a pretty personal thing so. Find what works for you and whatever your greatest self love is. I’m just sharing my view. Do you boo. Im always learning, updating and changing my views. My current view is: Sex is sacred and pleasure is holy. There is a difference between healthy pleasure and toxic pleasure and it’s up to you to make those discernment’s.

@A_v_E projection 101 You live your way. I am also doing many of the things you are because I agree with them. However, sexuality is my birthright.

Happy birthday voice in my head from time to time

@Someone here I've posted two videos and an article earlier in the thread. Here is a book by Grand Qigong Master Mantak Chia teaching you how to Masturbate and have sex in a high quality way. The Multi-Orgasmic Man

Actually, some say it's a balance... https://globalnews.ca/news/6509620/relationships-pornography-balance/#:~:text=Experts say there's a balance,-By Olivia Bowden&text=Pornography can be a sensitive,'t inherently “bad.” I personally think all the shame around sexuality is a crisis more than sexuality as a whole when done properly and in a quality way. The reason there is so much disfunction is this.... YOU... (and the people who raised me) Were taught to demonize and be afraid or pleasure, sensuality, feelings, emotions, vulnerability, etc. Our culture demonizes love, and wonders why there are pedophiles molesting children in the church. When you take sexuality and you demonize it and hide it... it smashes through and expresses itself in fucked up ways that causes so much harm, in a sea of deep shame around the subject even when done "properly". That was a major error in the christian way of thinking.... Thinking that sex was less than holy when actually sexual energy IS GOD, It ITS THE HOLIEST FUCKING ENERGY ON THE PLANET. Many men who can't get sex from women for example, will simply have sex with other men because men are easier to have sex with. Sex education is crucial CRUCIAL for the awakening and development of humanity so it can fully blossom. It will take a thousand or more years for humanity to heal and develop out of it's sexual, shameful, dysfunctional dark age.

You want a yes or no, but it's not a yes or no thing. Yeah, it can be done in a high quality way (which may open you up do doing it very frequently and getting positive benefit) and a low quality way (ejaculation and sprint masturbating) which shouldn't be done, or done regularly.

Well, it's an aspect of self love. It's definitely not loving yourself to shame, and disconnect from your life force energy and learning to masturbate and have sex in a high quality way. It's not love to create division within yourself. It's not really self love to watch porn and masturbate in shame. But, it may be self love to make love to yourself and to learn about the full potential of your natural, sober energetic system and the sheer beauty and brilliance that is available to you, given to you by God. The problem is, you don't really love God's creation and you abuse or demonize it. Self love is a deep, nuanced topic and it covers a lot of different aspects of reality.

Pleasure and self love = Bad. Whatever you do. Don't enjoy your life.

@Knowledge Hoarder Yeah, but is this about porn or masturbation? I am not promoting the watching of porn... But getting to know your sexual energy, your genitals and your overall energetic system. What do you think Kundalini is? What do you think Qi is?... A major component is sexual energy. Shaming your sexuality, and shaming masturbation is gonna cause you more issues than learning to do it in a healthy way.

That's cool. I am saying the same thing. Just stop saying people shouldn't masturbate at all. You can masturbate every day if you do it properly and it can improve your health. It's part of a good Qigong practice. Your body should be full of pleasure everyday. Instead of fear, anxiety and guilt or whatever else society teaches you is normal. Your sexual energy is a gift. Orgasm, is not ejaculation. Ejaculation should be done rarely. But, you can Orgasm everyday and it inspires your spirit. If people are abusing anything... drugs, running, yoga, sex, masturbation, porn etc... an excess of anything will have problems.

Careful attacking people and calling them drug addicts. Your sexual energy is a gift and if you've been abusing it that's your problem.

And? What does that have to do what I shared with you. Did you know if you run a marathon everyday its bad for your joints? If you think your sexual energy, and self pleasuring is bad. You are vastly limiting your potential for spiritual development. You should be using your masturbation to fall deeply in love with yourself, to know yourself sexually and energetically and to become a better lover. I haven't defended nor promoted porn or chronic ejaculation. Don't project that on me. Your sexuality is a gift, your sexual energy is a gift. Learn to masturbate in a quality way and enrich your life, your organs, your wellbeing and your spiritual growth. Stop abusing your sexual energy. I am not arguing with you. I am adding nuance. Your saying masturbation is bad, is just false.

1. Don't start by shaming masturbation. I think you are completely wrong by saying you are better not masturbating at all. Your sexuality and energy is important. I am still developing this but my current view is... Learn to masturbate really well and do it in a quality way. STOP SHAMING MEN FROM MASTURBATING and saying its bad. You are a sexual being. Your sexual energy is a gift and the energy of all biological creation. I think the problem is a lot of men never learned how to masturbate or what it is. Instead we just jerk off to porn, get a quick fix and off we go. This is a change in behaviour that is taking time for me. The problem that masturbation is bad it's that men don't know how to do it in a quality way. You can Orgasm without ejactulation. You just never learned how because we demonize sexuality in this culture, which is an illusion.

https://sites.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/paradox/chapters/Zeno/Zeno.html Interesting fodder for contemplating infinity, paradox, movement, perception etc

Ah, there it is. He’s not seeing what I’m pointing to. he might not be purposely gaslighting but he is. It’s like he’s meta gaslighting! we are just making jokes and he is projecting a cult mentality on me… and when I get offended he goes “ what do you mean? I meant no disrespect by implying you are a brainwashed cult member mindlessly defending your master. Clearly you must be deluded.” It’s more just annoying than anything. Also very interesting. I’m observing both my reactions and how this unfolds over time. It’s not a about Leo… but around the notion of Enlightenment in general having rules around humour. That was my point. Then, he starts calling you a cult member. Who would appreciate that? This isn’t so much personal for me… I find it interesting. I will learn from this.

I guess, this is a complete waste of time. Be the manta ray thought art, be the manta ray

Ahah, so many paradoxes