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victim mentality isn’t great but it’s a part of the problem, people who have victim mentality didn’t just wake up and make shit up, they were really victimized and sorry but 400 years of slavery isn’t something you get over quickly, maybe if you were like Buddha, but for the average person it’s traumatic. And until people really believe that society is fair, they will protest. The best way to stop protests is to give people what they want, if it’s reasonable, I think BLM ain’t asking for anything unreasonable in fact I agree with a lot of their agenda, a lot of is stage green, sure there are toxic aspects to it, but would you really generalize the whole movement because of riots? Riots have always happened this is America after all.

Yep, you can’t solve the problem until you admit you have one. Something trump has rarely seemed to acknowledge throughout corona and BLM. communities of vulnerability will always prevail over communities of strength in the long run.

Yep, as long as their a loving intent and actually compassionate policy behind it, just look at Portugal, they don’t believe in a punishment mindset, but they will also tell you, you need more money for treat meant and rehab and safe spaces for addicts etc if you legalize. It doesn’t mean you think it’s right it just means you arent going to punish people for what they do to themselves, only help

@Rajneeshpuram O enlightened one, when did you achieve Samahdi?

I say Biden carries about 330 electoral votes to Trump 190 or so. Key wins for Biden; PA, MI, AZ, NM?, maybe NC, maybe Florida. Maybe Wisconsin maybe Minnesota key wins for Trunk: OHIO,Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia, don’t seem him winning much else than his base this time, but I may be wrong

I agree the ideal is no government because of consciousness, but how do you get there from where we are now? Well it starts with giving the people more power than any other entity, we will need guidelines and laws and morals and ethics for a while, but I don’t even think a turquoise society would be able to progress past a government, I think maybe you can transition from written explicit laws to implicit laws like a moral code or people uniting under one purpose that you can interpret from your own way, but yes bottom line is there has to be collective responsibility, and compassion, it’s hard to achieve that without some pushing because the ego is a challenging force to that, but next thing better than democracy? id definitely say an elder/expert system that is also held accountable by voting and decentralization, politicians in such system would need to dedicate their life to public service (degree and relevant experience like college admission) and also be held accountable and transparent to the public(better) also if you have to pass a citizenship test to become a citizen, and prove your driving skills for a license, there should be a recommend politics history course taught free to all citizens and if you can’t pass you keep taking it until you pass, after you pass you earn a verification as an educated voter like Twitter haha you gotta market these things better, so everyone can vote but not everyone is a verified voter. And we should encourage all voters to be verified, this solving the problem Socrates had with the Population being uneducated only after a few thousand years of something like this would it be possible to have no government, I think also a big part of having a system better than democracy would be having no countries and borders so people didn’t feel so alienated from other people, Beau of the fifth column had a great point that the us already had open borders in its own country and there is no reason why would couldn’t establish this throughout the world, yes it would take amazing amounts of diplomacy and consciousness but i don’t see how you could have a non government system without a globalization of the world without individual states

@Forestluv yes it was done very well.

Bit of an off topic point regarding tastes: I do think at a certain point people do transcend the attachment to tastes, definitely see that as the problem, we are too Attached to the traditional worldview and it’s gender constructs because of how society was built nearly everywhere on these constructs, some Buddhist monks say there is only one taste to all food and that your mind fills in the differences but with enough practice all food will taste the same, I kind of want to achieve that in society, where all tastes can be tasted by some and some who don’t need to taste anything. If that makes sense.

@Forestluv makes sense. Seems like a mor bright an vivid world. I guess by saying gender being challenged I meant the traditional constructs, I find nothing wrong with the healthy versions of being a masculine male or a feminine feminine , but want them to be seen as equally valid as trans nb and the like, I think people subconsciously know that that like you said the world is better with more diversity and variety and we can solve problems in better ways by entertaining different perspectives, also there doesn’t need to be a pragmatic aspect either, it’s just beautiful to look at some people who have transitioned and have gone through a metamorphosis. There is a certain artistic brilliance to it. As well as being a macho man like mr. T or a feminine female like Marilyn Monroe, and everything In between. I don’t want to marginalize anyone Even the people who are cis and even traditional idea of gender norms so I’m sorry my comment came off as that. but I will say it’s useful to put the focus off of traditional constructs for now and focus on the emerging issues of the marginalized until we can integrate them, we’be already integrated the healthy and unhealthy aspects of traditional gender constructs

@Forestluv I think gender constructs are relevant up till stage blue especially for society to organize, but once you become more aware of the fluidity of gender at late orange/green I think you can leave them behind. There’s also many people who are NB trans and stage blue and red so I guess it’s only relevant from a societal standpoint, it really has no bearing on the individual from what I see, you can be questioning your gender that society gave you without being green of course, I think that happens is that the hormones and biology that motivates men and women naturally translates into societal ideation and eventually we have these rigid binary of male female. It works to a certain extent but we are seeing the limits of that binary now and it marginalizes certain groups and invalidates the experience of others. There’s no denying Most people buy into the idea of gender, so it works to a certain extent, and it’s justified now by stage orange “science and biology” but from what I see people start to question gender norms at orange and really start to embrace a different perspective at green and above. im glad that gender is being challenged, it is a truly a joke to some people but I think one day we could live in societies where no one even needs to identify with anything, or they could identify with anything. That seems like the highest ideal to me, it’s all about hearing the experience of another human being and respecting their experience as their truth. Obviously not everything could be taken seriously but who knows maybe in the future societies just won’t judge.

I think my friends family growing up was healthy blue, yes they tried to indoctrinate me into fundamentalism and Christianity but in a very healthy way, not saying I was evil and I needed to repent but by showing an example of leading a good life, they were very friendly and respectful and good members of the community, helped my family a lot, but were very judgmental on some issues. I think the healthiest version of blue in America are the religious and conservatives who can respect your beliefs but also respect their own. They don’t have a need to convert or moralize against you, they just disagree, I don’t talk to this family now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they are solid orange now, this was of course when George bush was president so they felt extra blue

Did you watch Leo’s stage purple video? It pretty much answers your questions.

He’s well researched and pretty factually accurate. Posts the sources for everything etc. already makes him better than a lot of places.

@Mohammad well said

Got called anti indigenous for posting the pic in Leo’s videos, “a western biased perspective against native peoples cause purple is at the bottom” lol. i actually had a spiral dynamics bumper sticker. Hopefully some people found out about it that way. I would say to understand it you gotta be at least blue but to care about spreading the word green/yellow and and this thread and the topic and thinking of methods to teach it is definitely yellow, it’s hard to not look at everything through this worldview once you accept it.

Riots suck and destroy communities, but there’s a kernel of truth to them just like in the American revolution, you can’t be blind to that either

Kyle is a lot more consistent with his criticism of republicans and praising Biden on things he does right to be fair, you don’t even have to look that far on his channel. I think Kyle overestimates how people tend to vote on posturing rather than policy and that people tend to vote for the person and ignore the issues even if another candidate is better on the issues, I didn’t realize that either until it was pointed out to me in Leo’s vid either fairly enough. after watching a year worth of each show, and their joe Rogan interviews I definitely think Kyle has a better political sense. And yea I didn’t think of that, rising when bernie had a chance to win they were very non toxic in their opinions, but after he lost things went south.

@Billy Shears any proof for these claims?

They definitely aren’t fascists but vaush makes a good point that krystal is a progressive but never praises anything the dems do even though they are right on a couple things. It is starting to see like an ideology, it was great last year when she liked yang and Bernie and tulsi but now it seems like she moved a bit right

@humanProcess from George Washington, and Abraham Lincoln, to a conspiracy theorist that “gets you” if you try to take him seriously” .

@Epikur exactly because it’s running badly. That’s like saying why try to improve your life? You’re just getting by, that good enough right? Progressive politics is precisely what the USA was made for, pushing the ticket, if we are so competitive why do we rank so low on healthcare, education, prison population, happiness, and other metrics? doesn’t seem like the experiment is working so well for most of the people, undeniably there will be people are living lavish lives, that will always happen but the consensus is that most people want single payer, want a higher standard of living, want money out of politics, and want to tax the wealthy more. our political system is very ineffective, and that’s why we constantly need to be improving it in a conscious and effective way, not idealism of the way things used to be because we can’t go back in time we can only more forward

@Rilles cops don’t care, and yes if you have the balls to point a gun at someone point blank why can’t you tackle him, there’s literally like three cops. im not saying he was a angel, and I’ve heard he had a knife, even if he did, watch people in Europe who have no guns themselves yet can still handle these situations better without anyone being harmed. even if he was a ruthless murderer I didn’t know that justifies killing him the street, there’s just no sense of even leaning on the side of dignity for some cops in the us, scratch that many cops. I don’t care about researching the facts in this one, because it’s evident to me that this method of policing is a failure form the video alone. How can you even let him get in the car if you think he’s going to reach for a weapon. Explain to me that enlightened conservatives on this forum. To me you’ve failed there as a police officer if you let him even open the door, if you’re going to shoot him you at least shoot him before he enters the vehicle.

Imagine listening to leo and then listening to Tim pool and acting like Tim pool has a leg to stand on.

@datamonster we aren’t living in pre capitalist systems.

They don’t even pretend to care, not that they ever have but context of the situation or not I’m not even a cop I know this is terrible policing.