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@bejapuskas I think you could get value out of studying something like conflict negotiation or non violent communication. I think you have some pride that blinds you to your own limitations, i.e. this claim around it not being possible to persuade people. I think if you added skills in those to your repertoire you could be a pretty powerful force for progress. It seems to me you have a fair degree of will, courage and tenacity.

@Hero in progress Today's example of 'Projecting my sexual shame onto others'

@bejapuskas I think you make some valid points, and some invalid points. It sounds to me like you are feeling angry because you want equality and respect on this platform. Is that right? I think guidelines could be enforced better. I think as a moderator backlash against your actions from users you moderator is to be expected and is part of the job. Your feelings about it are valid, but as a moderator you should find a way to manage your emotions, imo. I think your take on some societies being accepting of things like queerness, non sexual repression is true. I think this view 'Non-Western societies simply were way more spiritually AND politically developed than Europeans before colonization, but all of this was destroyed by them' is wrong. I think the spirituality came from stage purple societies in terms of their spiritual advancement. And I don't think its true that they were that politically developed. Also, I think Western Europe and North America are the most politically developed continents overall in the world, and I think its naive to think otherwise. Their spiral development is higher overall than generally any other region in the world. I think you're correct about their being a lot of mysogyny on this platform. Overall, I think you're very stage green in this critique. With that, I think your opinions here lacks systemic thinking, which would be a higher consciousness way to approach the issue. A key thing with actualized.org, imo, is that its setup to appeal to lots of stages, including male red. So, there will be male red on the forum. Is it dumb af? Yes. Is it understandable? Yes. I think the red people could be managed better on here tho. Also, speaking plainly, I doubt that you understand how to effectively persuade lower stages. If my assumption is right, I also struggle with it. Imo, people aren't persuaded by truth, they are persuaded by what meets their needs. So, a mysognist isn't a mysogynist because they hate women, they are a mysogynist because being one meets their needs at their stage of development. If there was some other belief that met their need then they would be that instead. Maybe it meets their need for significance to be a mysogynist. And when you critique them you threaten the meeting of that need, and so they push back against you and demonise you. Why? Because it meets their need at their stage of development. I also doubt, imo, whether you have the self awareness that you are simply meeting needs all the time. The difference being your needs meeting is more psychological developed than lower stages. I struggle with being self aware of my needs meeting quite often myself.

I think most women need to learn healthy ways of embodying their anger, overcome trauma, understand healthy boundaries, and move into a secure attachment style. Otherwise, psychopath here i come!

@Tahuti How come you tried vyvanse?

@Raptorsin7 I'm interested in this too

@Raptorsin7 Nice!

@Raptorsin7 How would you describe the energy?

@Kalki Avatar Chadosaurus rex here What are you looking for? Sex? Deep relationships? Quick connections? And where do you want to meet these women?

@spiritual memes I like the topic dude! And I always laugh at your profile picture ?. I think the answer would differ according to context. Speaking on the academic context, overall I think folks are likely becoming more spiritual, or perhaps closer to being spiritual. I think relativism lends itself to that, and my understanding is that relativism is popular and growing in academia. Though perhaps in some disciplines, such as Law, I don't think its as prevalent as before. Though, I think that could be to do with an expected backlash against the relativism of the 20th century and so relativism could still be on the rise in these subjects, in a big picture sense. Relativism is something that lends itself to spiritualism, and coming closer to spiritual views, imo. But is not spiritual in of itself. That said, what the fuck spiritual actually means is, imo, going to just be, from a logical standpoint, arbitrarily decided.

@Rasheed Lit dude. I might read it today.

@Rasheed Oh cool! I really like that idea of recommending therapies based on level of consciousness. I might check that book out.

@Rasheed From what you read, does Wilber recommend Gestalt as the most high consciousness therapy? If not, why does he bring it up?

@Thittato I think you could help out on this one, if willing

@universe I get your pov regarding actualized.org and depression. The issue for me is where else should people with depression go? People with deep mental health issues, imo, resonate on a level of consciousness that is very easily manipulated by all sorts of exploitative bad actors. If folks with depression leave actualized, they may end up in a darker place. Out of the frying pan and into the fire as they say.

@TwistedOntic Imo, tate's popularity just shows the spiral development of certain users of the forum

@TwistedOntic Familiar w/ spiral dynamics?

I think you are representing a partial truth as a full truth. So I think there is validity but also invalidity to your view. Imo, depression can also come from trauma, i.e. you get home invaded, then get depressed. And that might actually be out of desire, i.e. out of desire for you to not experience malevolence again.

@Micca Ye music like this has a special place in my heart

She probably just isn't the type of girl you can do that with.

Imo, you would get value from the following. - Getting a new sense of what are and aren't healthy boundaries. (When I say no I feel guilty is a useful book imo) - Get a new understanding of what counts as abuse (Dr Ramani is a useful resource for this, imo) - Doing inner work such that your attachment style shifts to a secure attachment. Imo, you are currently in an attachment style that makes you attach to people like your father, i.e. narcissists. So, until you change it you will continue to be attracted to this type of man. And if you don't address this you can and likely will get into the cycle of continuously having relationships with thee kinds of men and you'll maybe wonder why you are so 'unlucky' in love. If you switch to secure you'll generally automatically be attracted to people with secure attachment styles. Depth psychotherapy would be my recommendation for making this switch. - Get an understanding of cluster-b folks and how to deal with them and spot them Dr Ramani is a useful resource imo.

@Zeroguy I don't think it can all be put down to Nahm being kicked. Its certainly a possibility, and I imagine it improved things round here. I think he was a case of someone who focused on eastern wisdom without enough focus on western psychology. I think he likely had some unconscious drive towards maintaining an internal narrative of power and superiority. I think he could have had a lot of value to give, and also would have a better quality of life himself if he had integrated the two.

@Yarco Apologies, I shouldn't have spoken to you like that

@StarStruck I really like the way he maps out all the different stages of energy, as well as ideas about how to jump between different energy levels. Its pretty cool to me the idea that something like Apathy can actually be a really positive thing to promote folks to resonate with, i.e. if they resonate with shame usually. In comparison to LOC, presuming by LOC you mean David Hawkin's Level of consciousness stuff, I haven't really compared them in my mind yet. I haven't gone through power vs force, only letting go by Hawkins, which I understand isn't as in-depth as Power vs Force regarding energy levels. Have you got an opinion on Dodson?

The Ghost fucked it up with their open. Should have gone with 'Who lies more men or women?'