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@UnbornTao Hey. I don't quite understand your question. Are you asking me about whether I, personally, have sources of overstimulation in my life? Or something else?

@Tanz I get your point about it not being news. I see how you might see news as being something which is more about reporting on current events. However, I think that if you get some real political science under your belt, you are able to read news sources in a way more critical way.

@StarStruck It could be you're not actually falling for her but experiencing limerence. Its a codependence behaviour.

@Optimized Life It can give you great frame control, which is, to my understanding, a foundational aspect of male attraction. Also, in my opinion, your emotional vibration will likely end up being higher, and what you feel she feels, so she is going to feel relatively better around you. Therefore, you will typically provide more value, and are typically more attractive

@Kalki Avatar I think an actualized school could end terribly. I think its very important to understand experts in certain fields are only experts in those fields and not in all fields. To run a radical school like an actualized school would take real expertise in fields I don't think Leo is an expert in.

@hyruga I feel like Paul has got it.

@Something Funny I'm more saying that if your goal is to just be more social and confident, and don't want to learn pick up, you can do the just have fun thing. I think Leo is more saying that you haven't really given pick up a chance yet, and that your lack of desire is likely just because your a newbie who's in their head and lack experience.

@Something Funny Yep. But i guess what you should pursue depends on your goals.

@Something Funny You could just practice cultivating your charisma and your ability to have fun socialising. For example, go into a bar and just practice talking to everyone and having fun with everyone. Maybe work on self-amusing. You could also see what happens if you don't jerk the little man for like a week. Maybe you just lack sexual energy at the moment, and if you get in touch with it, you'll be wanting to sleep with everyone and their mother,

@StarStruck Just sounds like you failed the shit test to me, and then it went south from there. I would have agreed and exaggerated on the shit test. I.e. 'Is this your pickup routine?', can reply with 'Damn, you got me! I practice it for 5 hours in the mirror everyday!'. I used to like doing agree and exaggerate because it makes it fun for me as well.

@Hibahere I'd check out Dr Ramani's Youtube channel

@Someone here I like that idea actually. I've never made music. Maybe I'll play around with it. Thanks I would like to get good at playing an instrument. I've tried to get good at piano before, was going well but I needed to focus on other things.

@Someone here Just listen to music really. Though the way my psyche is means I don't ever really get to rest

@Devin Well, i'd agreed that ideally for a lot of people, taking personal accountability would help. However, you also need to keep in mind that the ability to even take personal accountability is a privilege. It takes a certain combination of factors for someone to take personal accountability, as with anything, and many people simply lack the combination of those factors. Imo, everything works systemically so the incel community and those in it are exactly how is to be expected based on the cause and effect relationships operating in reality. In the grand scheme of things, the only reason i am not an incel, or currently a CEO is luck.

@Chives99 Ye man i think that's an interesting take regarding it being 20 something men. School is a very traumatising place for sure, and its effects are so trivialised imo. I think though a fuller picture of the issue could still be painted. For example, taking into account the current economic climate, the rise of common internet use, progressives not catering to the needs of young insecure men, and things like cuts to public services in various western countries. In my home country, since around 2010 there were a lot of cuts to public services, which meant things like less youth outreach services, and more stressed parents (can cause things like increased abuse imo).

@Chives99 Nice. Now perhaps think about why guys like to bully each other to get on top.

@Bobby_2021 Maybe I'm making a point based on only a small point you made but nonetheless here it is. I note you write, in essence, that based on the post you see Leo as saying writing as a conservative value. I think the point Leo was making was more something like this. Writing is an example of an activity which at one point was seen as a bad idea by conservatives and a good idea by the progressives of that time period. So, writing was seen as progressive at a certain point in a certain culture. It might have seemed to be clearly the better option to take the progressive option at the time of writing things down. 'What's the harm?' the progressive of that time might think. But writing has caused a lot of bad things to happen in the world. So, a conservative, relative to writing, was correct in foreseeing the dangers of being progressive with communication. Whereas a lot of progressives of the time were blind to the dangers of the progress which they ushered in. Hence, its an example of how more and more progress isn't necessarily to be welcomed with open arms. There can be great dangers to progress, which progressives are blind to. Therefore, conservative fears ought to be given sincere consideration.

@flowboy Thanks

@Ima Freeman Hey, here is my take. In my experience, what you'll find with these sorts of questions is the following. Via google search you'll have some blogs or webpages which seem to speak with certainty about the difference between the two concepts. And sometimes speak with certainty about the different views on what the differences are. You'll get further confused because some of these different blogs/ webpages conflict with each other about what the different views even are. Then if you look deeper you'll find this definitional issue is an entire sub-field of philosophy, which lots of different views. And then in wondering about which of these definitions is true, you get into definitional theories, i.e. what makes one definition more true than another, can one definition be more true than another. I'd recommend browsing around wikipedia imo. And seeing if you can find an area of wikipedia that contains different articles on the meaning of 'ethic', 'morality', and maybe even the 'difference between ethic and morality'. Further, try and find an area of Wikipedia that has articles regarding different theories of 'definitions'. I think understanding different theories of definitions is key because it helps you understand different theories around how you should decide what definition of a concept is better or not, and whether or not that is even possible? Also, its also perhaps worth keeping in mind what your purpose is with regards to defining these terms. Do you want to achieve an 'objective definition' of the terms? Such that you want to just discover what the objective meaning of the terms are. Or perhaps maybe you want to achieve a definition which you intend to use for some practical purpose. Or some other purpose. I think that will help guide where your research goes.

@supremeyingyang Perhaps. i imagine some would just leave the forum though. So, it might just turn into a ban in substance. Though, not to say I wouldn't welcome that approach. Hahaha I would agree with that. I'm just imagining in like 50 years some polite grandpa talking to his grandkids about his wild, reckless, rebellious youth. You know how maybe today the grandpa would show a young picture of them riding a motorcyle or shouting at a protest. But instead in the future its just a set of screenshots of them mouthing off at other users on the actualized.org forum in the 2020s.

@flowboy Thanks mate. I do have a concern about the therapy you recommend. I'm referring to the one where, to my understanding, its about being taken back in time and sort of re-experiencing the traumatic incident, and in doing so, processing it. My concern is that it could highly risk traumatisation rather than actual processing. Do you have any comments on that?

@supremeyingyang I like that idea in some ways. However, then I imagine you would have one forum with really high quality posts, and one side of the forum with much lower quality posts. And i imagine higher consciousness folks would hang out in the higher quality post section, and wouldn't interact so much with lower consciousness users who behave poorely. Meaning the likelihood that poorly behaved lower consciousness users who behave would likely be diminished. And i think that lends itself to seeing the point of the forum as allowing for sophisticated discussions amongst higher consciousness people. I actually prefer that vision of actualized.org, as a more elitist place. Elitist in the sense not of level of consciousness, but in terms of being very exclusionary of people who behave poorly. If I could mod in line with my preference I would be swift to ban poorly behaved members. However, I accept it is not my place to mod in that way, and as such I defer to the way Leo wants me to mod, and in effect defer my vision of the forum to his. That said, I recognise that I had the privilege of being socialised into valuing etiquette and treating others with respect. And that for some that isn't the case, so by being very exclusionary in that manner we would excluding a certain demographic of people from getting value from the forum. However, this would be an exclusion I would nonetheless prefer to have. However, Leo may see that differently. If the forum were to become more exclusionary then I imagine it would mean that some folks who would have otherwise had their lives radically changed would later not. Maybe 9/10 poorly behaved users never change despite their use of the forum. But that would still leave 1/10 who change their ways and grow, and live rich, meaningful lives. Yet, you could also see that poorly behaved users likely dissuade some well behaved users from getting growth from the forum and the actualized.org community. And by not excluding poorly behaved users quickly, many would-be well behaved users miss out on rich, meaningful lives. Hence, i think its important to understand the tough choices involved in making decisions about the forum. And, that any change involves benefit and sacrifice. Though perhaps some are more attractive based on our current values. Make sense to you?

@supremeyingyang I think one's views on the guidelines will depend on what point one see's the forum as having. I.e. An egalitarian humanist might look to be very tolerant of misbehaviour as they see the forum as a place where they value the potential of users very highly, particularly those of lower consciousness, and see a vision for how they can reach their potential via being a part of the forum. A high level spiritual seeker might want to be quick to ban unruly users because they see the forum as a place where sophisticated high consciousness individuals have a place to communicate and exchange ideas.

@Mixcoatl Hey dude, Resonated with your post. I think there might be something about having adverse childhood experience that makes you question the herd mentality a lot more, and see through the traditional narratives. I'd say that has been the case for me. I think I have had very similar experiences to you in regards to intellectual viewpoints. I have studied law at a very prestigious university for quite a few years now. And, I have come to conclusions that are seen as radical by quite a few. Some of my coursemates would just laugh at me, and wouldn't take my viewpoints seriously and just trivialise them. Some professors too. However, I have met some professors and PHD students who see my views as really insightful. But i really struggle to be vocal with my views because its hard for me to have the confidence to keep dealing with people laughing at me for my views. At the moment, I'm working on my inner psyche via things like gestalt therapy to try and get a level of emotional mastery. So, maybe some high consciousness inner work could be helpful. I think also a fact of reality is that 99% of people simply do not think for themselves, including at universities. They simply unconsciously select points of views and become ideologues. And many of these can become prominent academics imo. Maybe you will find some solace in listening to some of Noam Chomsky's videos online about academia too. I agree with Leo when he talks about most people not being interested in truth. ----------- Edit: Also, perhaps you would find value in exploring different theories of music, i.e. via wikipedia. I would imagine there are lots of different theories of music and some scholars will have likely had the same sort of views as you. And if you do find a scholar with similar views then i think that would be reassuring to you, and would perhaps gain you more legitimacy in the eyes of your peers.

@lizz_luna I like the 'Pod save the world' podcast, relative to other channels on youtube. Also, if you really want to step it up, I'd recommend studying some political science, and recent political history. I.e. something like this lecture course: