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@StarStruck Fairs man. We can have differing opinions.

@StarStruck I think its definitely a pick up topic. But I don't want to debate further about whether it is or not.

@ZenAlex I've been very numb for decades now. I've spent most of my adult life so far focused on the resolving this issue. My current theoretical understanding is that you need to process some significant unconscious emotion(s), and then the numbness will go. So deep shadow work would be my recommendation. Also, it might be that the idea that you need to process something deeply from your past surprising. But I'd offer the perspective that it might be that you are actually just dissociated from some trauma from your past, (side note: I'd include neglect as abuse. From what I've seen it seems neglect can often lead to numbness)

@Lila9 I think I get you. I like the idea of a separated sub-forum for pickup, and agree with your points of view. @Leo Gura Perhaps this separate forum section is something to consider?

@Bob Seeker Lol!

@Judy2 I empathise with your viewpoint. However, I think there is a case here of distinguishing between the ways things are and the way we want things to be. In my opinion, when it comes to actually understanding sexual attraction you have to be willing to entertain some harsh truths. Female to male attraction, and male to female attraction simply operate very differently. Male self esteem simply matters way more than female self esteem when it comes to the how much it affects sexual attractiveness. And, physical attractiveness is way important for females when it comes to sexual attractiveness. And good pickup is very grounded in understanding these sexual dynamics and how to increase male sexual attractiveness, when it comes to casual relationships. I can imagine that being a woman and reading these sorts of threads can be disturbing. But I sense the here the issue is you actually find the reality of female-male sexual dynamics disturbing. And although I empathise, I think you need to take the personal responsibility of avoiding threads about female-male sexual dynamics, if it affects you. In my opinion. these sorts of threads will always occur on a forum that caters for real, grounded self development in regards to increasing male sexual attractiveness. That said, if stuff breaches guidelines, I'd recommend reporting it. And, also, I'm not endorsing any comments where people may make a pejorative judgment about a certain sex on the basis of how attraction works, i.e. saying that women are bad because they ignore sexually unworthy guys, or endorsing guys who take their views from red pill theories, which are really seemingly just self-serving narratives. However, I don't see any of that happening on this thread. Also, @Lila9, I think when female 'value' is talked about in the pickup community, its not talking about a women's value as a person, i.e. what she deserves from life, or how she deserves to be treated. Instead, its talking about a female's value in the context of 'male-female sexual dynamics', i.e. what typically scores a women points when it comes to her level of sexual attractiveness. That said, a lot of guys can make the mistake of conflating the two things, and doing things like objectifying women, or even just use this understanding to justify some misogynistic worldview. I don't want to paint too pretty a picture of the pick up community, but there is nuance to this stuff.

@Someone here I'd say the following. Liberalism can seem childish when people are very empathetic but intellectually uneducated. I wouldn't say its childish, more somewhat uneducated. The childish seeming liberal sees correctly that how everyone act is totally understandable, and that really no one is really to blame. So, the childish seeming liberal is high conscious in the sense that they recognise that where people end up at in life isn't their fault. However, the lack of education means that such liberal is inept at understanding or creating competent systems of cause and effect that would help people. And, they can create well-meaning but very flawed systems in their effort to help. This is where i'd sort of put some of stage green people at. Liberals at a higher point have that same empathy but with a deep intellectual understanding of systems of cause and effect. Such that they understand the systems which cause people to act as they do, and also understand how to create helpful systems. This is where I'd put yellow folk at. To my mind, this liberal would argue that neither the gun, nor the person alone kills someone. Instead, the interplay of systems of cause and effect kill people. The conservative is actually way less conscious than even the childish liberal because they lack both the empathy and the intellectual understanding. They have an incredible lack of understanding of systems. To such an extent that they do not even believe in systems of cause and effect. This allows them to be utter devils. And they go round, often in complete ignorance, altering/ creating very unhelpful systems of cause and effect. They often have a high lack of collective responsibility, and their understanding of personal responsibility is very flawed, in my opinion. Flawed because they have a great lack of understanding around why they do what they do, and they never actually had the ability to choose to do otherwise than they actually did. They do not understand that their successes in life were only possible because systems of cause and effect produced that success. Conservatives are forever spitting into the wind, and then blaming the spit. I tend to see a conservative as easily the most childish. They have very relatively undeveloped minds. Stage blue on the spiral.

I've heard Portugal have a kind of unique policy on psychedelics. But not too sure on that one

@Optimized Life I'd slightly late to the party here but I'd say go for the massage. I think its important to find enjoyable ways to destress whilst doing game.

@StarStruck I'm speaking more from my theoretical knowledge, but if you transcend the ego I believe then you can access unconditional love

@UnbornTao Hey. I don't quite understand your question. Are you asking me about whether I, personally, have sources of overstimulation in my life? Or something else?

@Tanz I get your point about it not being news. I see how you might see news as being something which is more about reporting on current events. However, I think that if you get some real political science under your belt, you are able to read news sources in a way more critical way.

@StarStruck It could be you're not actually falling for her but experiencing limerence. Its a codependence behaviour.

@Optimized Life It can give you great frame control, which is, to my understanding, a foundational aspect of male attraction. Also, in my opinion, your emotional vibration will likely end up being higher, and what you feel she feels, so she is going to feel relatively better around you. Therefore, you will typically provide more value, and are typically more attractive

@Kalki Avatar I think an actualized school could end terribly. I think its very important to understand experts in certain fields are only experts in those fields and not in all fields. To run a radical school like an actualized school would take real expertise in fields I don't think Leo is an expert in.

@hyruga I feel like Paul has got it.

@Something Funny I'm more saying that if your goal is to just be more social and confident, and don't want to learn pick up, you can do the just have fun thing. I think Leo is more saying that you haven't really given pick up a chance yet, and that your lack of desire is likely just because your a newbie who's in their head and lack experience.

@Something Funny Yep. But i guess what you should pursue depends on your goals.

@Something Funny You could just practice cultivating your charisma and your ability to have fun socialising. For example, go into a bar and just practice talking to everyone and having fun with everyone. Maybe work on self-amusing. You could also see what happens if you don't jerk the little man for like a week. Maybe you just lack sexual energy at the moment, and if you get in touch with it, you'll be wanting to sleep with everyone and their mother,

@StarStruck Just sounds like you failed the shit test to me, and then it went south from there. I would have agreed and exaggerated on the shit test. I.e. 'Is this your pickup routine?', can reply with 'Damn, you got me! I practice it for 5 hours in the mirror everyday!'. I used to like doing agree and exaggerate because it makes it fun for me as well.

@Hibahere I'd check out Dr Ramani's Youtube channel

@Someone here I like that idea actually. I've never made music. Maybe I'll play around with it. Thanks I would like to get good at playing an instrument. I've tried to get good at piano before, was going well but I needed to focus on other things.

@Someone here Just listen to music really. Though the way my psyche is means I don't ever really get to rest

@Devin Well, i'd agreed that ideally for a lot of people, taking personal accountability would help. However, you also need to keep in mind that the ability to even take personal accountability is a privilege. It takes a certain combination of factors for someone to take personal accountability, as with anything, and many people simply lack the combination of those factors. Imo, everything works systemically so the incel community and those in it are exactly how is to be expected based on the cause and effect relationships operating in reality. In the grand scheme of things, the only reason i am not an incel, or currently a CEO is luck.

@Chives99 Ye man i think that's an interesting take regarding it being 20 something men. School is a very traumatising place for sure, and its effects are so trivialised imo. I think though a fuller picture of the issue could still be painted. For example, taking into account the current economic climate, the rise of common internet use, progressives not catering to the needs of young insecure men, and things like cuts to public services in various western countries. In my home country, since around 2010 there were a lot of cuts to public services, which meant things like less youth outreach services, and more stressed parents (can cause things like increased abuse imo).