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I get you. Might be an echo chamber thing for me. Parts of me have been pretty obsessed with therapy since early 2019, and I've got deep down the rabbit whole. And, I've engaged with a couple of therapies, namely psychosynthesis and IFS which, as I alluded to before, are deeply spiritual. Particularly the latter. So, I think that makes me much more cognisant of the presence of spiritual therapies. With the coming growth of IFS, that I think is inevitable, particularly with its building scientific validation, spirituality will become v prominent in therapy across the board. One issue with IFS tho is that its very damaging to right wing ideology. Its system based and sees the mind operating, at one layer of analysis, as a system. Hence, free choice pretty much goes out the window and determinism rules the day. And, to my mind, right wing ideology is built on a platform of exorbitant free choice. So, I wouldn't be surprised if we see right-wing groups attempt to disrupt mental health funding, try to get research cuts to IFS research, and generally attempt to vilify/ stigmatise IFS. Its a truly revolutionary modality. I'm constantly surprised by the lack of celebration and adulations folks who try it have about it. But maybe that, my adulation and celebration, is a result of my psychic structure. Hopefully, IFS will rule the day. The only thing is, which is promising, is that reality skews left. And, so, hopefully, just hopefully, IFS will rule the day. Anyhow, enough about me and my views. Go IFS!

I think that approach may be useful for non-trauma focused therapy. However, trauma focused therapy requires a lot of training, and specific approaches that sometimes require talk therapy and sometimes don't. Sometimes its counter-productive to talk through an issue, i.e. retraumatising. So, trauma therapy I don't think could be generalised. And, ye the state of therapy is absolutely fucked. But unless there's a very strong shift to democratic socialism, most countries aren't going to change. Its not really the fault of the therapy industry, its a result of the governmental systemic failings. Its v fucking tough to get a good therapist too. Lot of charlatans out there. Also, at the beginning, a lot of folks are attracted to toxic folks too, so don't act on red flags or even identify them, when its most useful too. I don't think all therapists are clueless re spirituality. Transpersonal, psychosynthesis and IFS all incorporate spirituality. Some therapies are a joke tho. Like they'll help, i.e. cbt. But they aren't a long term solution by any means. Anecdotally, i had a friend who im pretty sure had npd do cbt claiming he'd been saved. Safe to say he certainly was not lol.`

@kray Indeed. 'The stranger' didn't have an effect on me really. I felt surprised because people talked about it so highly. Then I realised I'd kind of already slipped into that absurdist state of mind. I think I also watch a Youtube clip of Camus a few years prior that really resonated with me. Shit is so absurd when you really think about it. But hey, life goes on, and all we can do is laugh into the abyss ;). (And become enlightened ofc )

Can't speak from personal experiences. But some lads from an accountability group I was working with were doing really well with investing, and w/o any formal education. They had main jobs, but were doing it on the side. I think there's value to it, definitely.

@PepperBlossoms Jheeze some good points there. Some I disagree with too. But mainly agree. You made me think about the increased polarisation this will bring. As the state will likely become more conservative based in terms of populace which will start a snowball effect of increasing conservatism. Scary stuff. And, ye the snitching stuff reminds me of the soviets. Not the same level but similar in some way. Thing is it makes sense within their paradigm. I don't usually manage to embody empathy for people of different levels of consciousness, aside from intellectually, but I do for pro-lifers within this context. If you think abortion after X date is murder, then having people 'snitch' is a no-brainer. You'd snitch on a murderer w/o question hopefully.

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Intriguing. My mind went to IFS therapy. The belief we have numerous subpersonalities in our unconscious that work in a system, on top of a core self. Perhaps, you were talking to one of these subpersonalities. Maybe next time, ask his name too

@TheAlchemist Damn, just tried this now. Pretty relaxing. Thanks

@Blackhawk Yo dude, I'd look into stage green activities. I.e. depth psychotherapies.

That video is funny af

At purple your identity is the following: - You are identified as a unit of a tribe, not an individual, The Transformational dilemma from red to purple is the following: - Realising that you would be better positioned if you were not part of the tribe but dominated the tribe. To me its really the birth of individual self. Perhaps akin to a toddler who throws tantrums all the time, and is less agreeable than at previous developmental stages. Its a key phase to embody, and integrate. No doubt there are major issues outside of a specific context for that psychic position, so its key to develop through eventually. I get your scepticism, tho. I guess I make spiral dynamics make sense by virtue of the transformational dilemmas from one stage to the other.

@Aleister Crowleyy Dude chill tf out

Fairs dude. Sounds good. Good luck. Also, if you're keen, I've been using these IFS meditations from the Ifs institute store: https://ifs-institute.com/store/245 Have personally found them useful for self-work

I don't think you've accounted for the folks who have addictions as a means to dissociate

@StarStruck I get you. I thought you might say that. My thinking is/ was the following. It may well be that many of your parts like your therapist. However, there may be some protector parts, i.e. firefighters, that go relatively unnoticed. Perhaps, they are exiled themselves. And they, for example, might be protecting a part that is afraid of change, and are therefore understandably sabotaging the process. So, doing the fire drill might bring them up. I personally think that is a significant possibility with your dissociative experiences. But i am no expert.

@StarStruck I just thought of something else for you, bro. You might want to run this meditation on your therapist: By, 'run this on [them]', I mean select them as the specific person to focus on in the meditation. It will make sense when you listen to the recording. If you choose to - of course ;). Been having some success with this meditation myself.

Ye he gets serious results. I just think you turn into a quasi sociopath. And it isn't very fun being a sociopath. The dudes openly an alcoholic too.

@StarStruck Nice one dude. Good luck. And ye I thought so re you knowing a decent bit about ifs

@StarStruck Hey dude, I was wary of giving unsolicited advice before. I say that in reference to when on your journal you said that your IFS therapist wasn't IFS institute certified. However, I really recommend you instead get an at least IFS level 1 certified practioner. I've experienced a couple non-institute certified IFS people and a level 3 ifs institute certified person. I find the process completely different with the institute certified person - its proper IFS. I'd also recommend doing the IFS meditations in, 'Greater than the sum of your parts' by Dick Schwartz. Further, the r/internalfamilysystems subreddit might be useful for your journey through the process. Penultimately, to relate, I have experienced, and do experience serious chronic dissociation myself. ----------------------------------- Finally, I'd be very wary of using psychedelics in your situation. To speak in IFS terms, I think you'll be bypassing protector parts and accessing exiles. There may be healthy aspects to that but there is a serious risk of overwhelm. Further, it may increase the polarisation of the parts in your system after the trip ends.

I second this

@lennart Heya dude, What came to mind for me was to write a letter to her expressing your feelings, and your wants and wishes towards her and the situation. Be those expressions of anger, grief, or of a seemingly irrational nature. But do all this without the intention of sending the letter. You can keep the letter in a draw afterwards if you want.

@Hardkill Because most people vote based on rhetoric, rather than policies/ political actions.

Hey @Ninja_pig, I align my thought with the internal family system therapy approach. If meditation is helpful for you, then go for it. However, if not, I'd guess that, when you meditate, it would be that there is an exiled part(s) of you, in your psyche, that is triggered. Consequently, said part is perceived of as more vulnerable by other parts of your psyche. Hence, it could be that others parts get triggered into suicidality (a way that other parts protect exiled parts). I'd personally advise going through the 'Greater than the sum of our parts' audiobook by Richard Schwartz. Here's an intro to IFS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X45Y74blSg However, godspeed to you re whatever you decide to do.

@Frosty97 I think it depends on what you mean by confidence. Situational confidence is one thing. Self acceptance/ love, and core confidence is quite another. The latter requires stage green approaches. The former you can get a lot of from stage orange practices. However, stage orange stuff won't get you the latter. Its the classic pickup trap, for example. You develop a shit tonne of situational confidence. But not that much of the latter. Its not wrong to do pickup, its just about knowing what results can be expected from a certain practice. I think IFS is an effective way of achieving core confidence