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That is fundamentally why Incels are so bitter. They haven't even tied up their running shoes, and are wondering why people are so far ahead of them. Then they expect the same results as someone who has been running for 10+ years longer than them, which is obviously just delusion and pure selfishness. But it's not about other people, it never was. It's only really about themselves. They are focused outward rather than inward. I'm glad. PM me if you ever need anything.

Yes it generally just comes down to how much time is invested and when you started. A guy who goes through traditional socializing starting to chase girls at 12 years old is going to be in another fucking stratosphere than someone who is still a virgin at 25. This is why normies are always in relationships and don't even have a concept of what an incel is if you ask them. They can't even comprehend it. To them an incel is basically like an infant who never learned to walk and has to use a wheelchair. The point being everyone has to start somewhere. The only thing that matters is if you start or not.

Well yeah, 19 that's quite late, so don't feel bad. It's basically like this, everyone has been running a race and started back when they were pre-pubescent, and all those left over only started the race years later for whatever reason. The key to keeping a good attitude though is remember there are no winners and losers in this "race". You don't even need to pay attention to the other runners. Just focus on yourself and your own pace, and what milestones you want to reach.

@Hardkill Is this from starting at literally ground zero? Like never having interacted with girls even in middle school? What age was your first kiss? I'm not judging here I just want to get an idea of level you were at exactly experience wise. Like when Leo refers to the start of his journey as being "the worst of the worst" and had "zero experience", I'm taking him at his word and assuming he's never made out or been to 2nd base at that point.

@Katerina Riverside What a coincidence you tagged me, I was thinking about you today! It has been unusually cold where I am (Vancouver Island), with snow and freezing rain that'll last another week. I actually moved here partly to get away from the long 6-7 month winters of my last home, but I figured with this unusual cold snap perhaps it is a good opportunity to get out and do some cold therapy in nature. I won't be quite as ambitious with the cold dip, as I don't want die from hypothermia since I've never done it, but I'll get out running the path near my place tomorrow morning (shirtless haha). You've inspired me I'll post an update tomorrow after.

I use this language comedically, not to make fun of you - but bro, what the fuck do you think lol? You can probably get laid dozens of times just from approaching 100 women, not thousands. Since I moved to Van Island (which only has 1 million people), I've gone like 8/50 out of the women I've met, and my value compared to Leo's is probably not even a quarter of his. You can do it too, easily. Unless you look like a meth addict or a serial killer. Just get outside!

What does that "someone" mean for you? Just a casual girlfriend/partner, or someone you want to marry and have kids with? The neat thing is you have no idea what will happen. Just start dating and getting yourself out there and seeing what happens. You might randomly come across someone where you both fall head over heals for each other, and even if it doesn't last a lifetime. It's still a great experience and gets you that much closer to that next person that's even better for you. I'll tell you this though - don't set any expectations or it will always be tainting things in the back of your mind whoever you're with.

I'm with Raze on this, relationship to the opposite sex ought to be put in a more healthy auxiliary position. You say it's not helpful to the "majority" of men, but this isn't the case. The better half of men (while they don't excel) actually don't struggle with women. Be careful not to project your own deficiencies and uniquely low starting positions onto others.

I don't know anything about Kazakhstan besides some pro CSGO players from there LOL.

The methods help address the thoughts when they come up, but I don't know enough about psychology to say how to get at the root of where they are coming from in the first place. It might be some trauma that hasn't been faced, or a simple negative thought pattern that the conclusion is OCD thoughts.

Just finished it, can't really pin down how I feel about it. I remember being frustrated, then laughing, then content, then extremely sad, then profound. All over. Definitely one of the more interesting movies in a while. It's like some sort of meta-parody that cuts really sharply even though it's intentionally dull.

I don't believe I'll ever get married, it's fine for others but I personally don't care for it. I'm 28 now and have had a good amount of sexual partners and long term relationships. I do desire lifetime monogamy though, I imagine I'll go through a series more partners until I find a match that's just so healthy there is simply no reason not to spend the remainder of our lives together. I'll still value all the partnerships even if they end. Just because it doesn't last forever doesn't mean it was a failure. Certain people come into our lives and leave, exactly when they need to. Just enjoy the time you have with people, this is all temporary anyways.

@Scholar I'm not sure exactly what you were getting at, but I'd like you to know I don't eat animals. Also can you clarify why you crossed out "human" if you don't mind.

While punishment for breaking existing laws needs to be handed out, as a society we need to tone down the excessive hate to the point where either pedophiles that have offended or just have thoughts about it, feel like they have the space, resources, and opportunity to get therapy and help for getting past their unfortunate condition. It's obvious they shouldn't act on their urges for a list of reasons, but that doesn't mean we need to hate them or blame them for having those urges in the first place. I'm sure pedophiles would love to not feel the way they do, there is probably nothing more internally self-destructive than what they feel, because it is at complete odds with how everyone else wants them to behave. A pedophile likes kids for the same reason I like black haired women with massive tits. It's just an internal urge they ended up having for one reason or another. But ultimately we are complete victims to whatever we end up being attracted to. You don't wake up and decide what you are sexually attracted to, you just see it and it's a subjective fact for you. Besides it's not even rational the proportion we ostracize pedophiles compared to other sorts of people. In an objective sense, raping or molesting a child isn't as bad as murdering someone. Yet culturally our reactions and behaviors don't correlate to that for some reason. They are still human beings that while have made mistakes, still deserve our empathy so they can get better and offer their potential to society. Only an extremely rare but select few like genocidal war criminals or chronic serial killers deserved to be abandoned and given the death penalty imo.

It's not a good thing, but it also shouldn't be shocking. Any place where people are seeking serious help and answers to extremely difficult personal problems, some of those people will up grappling with suicide.

I remember sharing some messages with him quite a while ago, I got the sense he was very caring and personable. I am sorry.

That really is amazing an independent host like him is able to do that, kudos to him. With interviewers like Rogan though I only find myself watching when he has interesting guests that I know of. Joe is a pretty unique guy but even so I wouldn't just watch because of him.

I got "Anxious/Preoccupied", doing a bit of self-psycho-analyzing - I guess even though I got everything I needed materially/emotionally and my parents were always there and provided for all my needs, I STILL feel a general angst and slight but consistent background paranoia. That I'm always doing something wrong, or I'm not normal. Even though my past 3 relationships have been very healthy, I guess I just have low self-esteem even if everything seems to be going perfect. Tis a curse.

This clip and Rose Wrist's response is exactly the dividing line we've been talking about in this thread.

Dude, she doesn't want to be your friend, or your girlfriend. She wants your money. DO NOT EVER give money prior to meeting up. Whether it's with a model or an escort. You will get scammed. Even if you don't get scammed and you date her, what the hell is the point? The "relationship" will fundamentally be based on business, and if you decide to stop giving her money she is gone. Why don't you just date a regular person for free?

This is fucking golden. +1.

In a logical sense, Elon is right to a degree and I think people are a bit too harsh with him. The issue is billionaires will always think they know what capitol allocation is best 100% of the time, and are too fundamentally selfish to know the moments when they should give it up. It's about smoothing things out, not giving all money to either him or the government. The problem really isn't rich people in my opinion. Everyone wants to be rich, and if you get rich it's usually because you helped a ton of people. The abuse and rigging usually happens after the fact. It's that the tax systems are completely non-sensical and don't scale the way we need them to. People at the very bottom or close to it shouldn't even be paying 10%, they should be paying next to ZERO until they get on their feet, which they need to the most capitol for than anybody else.

It's only as much effort as you decide put in. Just because you are dating actively doesn't mean you are obligated to kiss/have sex with them all. I was juggling about 5-7 girls within a month last year, but I only committed emotionally and physically to the one I found was the best match. I respectfully cut ties with everyone else at that point, or they did with me. It teaches you to be detached and think more clearly and objectively about if someone is a healthy match for you, instead of having it as your only option so by default you might behave needy. Leo answered it well also. Basically you want to have options or a bunch of experience and history to build yourself so you have a healthy level of detachment. Just don't be a sociopath that is just looking to lie to use them as walking fleshlights, have the balls to be honest about your intentions. Think about teenagers/young people. Their relationships are almost always very cringe and filled with massive blind spots and attachment issues, because they are needy and don't have that reference for what is healthy or what kind of person they are meant to be with. This is exactly why when those relationships crash and burn they are more prone to having dramatic reactions, like some guy crashing into a tree because he was drunk driving, or the girl threatening suicide because she wasn't "the one". Of course adults can react in stupid ways too, but it doesn't have quite the same "flare".

That's enough.

Idk why I immediately read the quoted part in Trump's voice and not my own and burst out laughing