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The statistic implies that women are typically dating men that are older than them (which they are, according to your own statistics). They are doing that because they want something above the average of the men in their own age group (18-29). Those men 30 and above generally will have; - Better income/resources - Better career stability - More established life goals - Stronger and in prime biological shape (ability to protect) - More emotional maturity - Higher wisdom - More life experience, better at handling difficult situations - Higher intelligence - Better overall development and understanding of themselves I'm sure there are things I've missed but I've hit the big ones. If women truly wanted "average" like you said, they wouldn't reject the men in their age group at such a staggering rate in order to date men in the next bracket who are by most metrics higher quality men. I don't blame them either. Most humans are selfish and will take the best deal they can possibly get. It's just hard to take your statement seriously when reality points to the contrary lol. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think you might be projecting your own unique experiences and preferences onto your gender at large, when you're clearly more intelligent and spiritually gifted than 90% of women and will be interested and pursue different things from men than most women seem to.

Then how do you possibly explain the statistic going around that "about 63% of 18 to 29-year-old men reported being alone in 2022, a 12 percent increase from 2019, while only 34% percent of women in the same age group reported being single." ?? It's almost literally double, which is outrageous.

Guys doing NoFap would be better off spending all that time trying to get a girlfriend to solve their sexual frustrations rather than focusing on NOT doing something. Nobody ever cured an addiction or issue by focusing on what not to do, but rather what they will replace the void with.

Not that any of them were "rich", but my past 4 girlfriends have all earned more money than me, and I make a pretty decent living for someone who didn't go to school for anything. One of them was likely double my income (she was a radiohost). None of them gave a crap or brought it up even once in the combined years I was with all of them. I guess they liked me for who I was and how I treated them. You have to find the right person to be with that has the same value system as you. I make sure to filter and not waste time for shallow girls that have expectations. One of my basic shit tests on a first date is to get a coffee or treat or whatever, and see if she hesitates to pay or split. Not to mention in this day and age women are all more educated than men from my generation and thus earn better money. The culture is changing where it's not as big a deal anymore if the woman makes more, it's like so what? The worst thing you can do as a guy is be insecure about it and sabotage your own relationship. I feel bad for the dudes dumb enough to make that an issue.

Not particularly, but it's not nearly as damaging for men to sleep with a bunch of people, because we are less emotionally committal. I'm not saying guys HAVE to be sluts and sleep with 50+ people, no way. It's just usually necessary for a man to gather a decent amount of experience to be able to even get the ability to attract the woman he wants to settle down with. While frankly (and everyone knows this is true), women don't have to really do anything at all to realistically get the partner they want besides be patient and careful about which guy to pick from the litter that approaches them. Men and women are asymmetrical in their sexual and relationship experiences. Our lives do not run parallel, let's not pretend that they do.

Fun poison.

It's not really as conflicting as you think. The best way I can summarize it is in the statement, "I believe people should have the full ability to make choices, even if they are mistakes." It's not about what I want or don't want with any changes they make or don't make. I couldn't care less how people end up looking one way or the other, I honestly don't. I accept everyone at face value. What I do want is for people to have more earned wisdom and be more individualistic. Currently I think most people are profoundly misguided and have no fucking idea what they are doing, or why. Just my opinion.

Focus on what you love and enjoy in life and you'll stop giving a shit about triggers. How will you even have energy to react if you're pouring all of it into something awesome?

You'd be surprised to hear I also find her like a 7/8ish. She is obviously pretty, but has kind of a quirky sharp look that's nice, but not my particular thing. I find it interesting that on a lot of "consensus" top looking girls they end up averaging out at a high number but not typically a 9 or 10 like you'd expect. Anytime I've looked up top rated porn stars, actresses, or women in culture the top end of them are all conventionally attractive, but don't drive me wild like an actual 9 or 10 would. The skin tone, face, make-up, and body features all kind of blend together like an AI generated collage where they tick all the boxes of what makes one physically attractive, but excel at none of them individually. Also when I'm in a relationship and sexually/intimately/emotionally committed to a woman like I am at the moment, all other women in the world get a kind of gloss over them where I'm less attracted.

"Why are men so commitment phobic?" lmao

I am quite pro-freedom and autonomy. I will vote politically and fight for peoples right to be able to express themselves and change themselves however they see fit to live their lives. I'll accept everybody at face value and give everyone basic respect and openness. However at a matter of personal principle I am generally against; - Make-up - Plastic surgery - Body augmentation - Body building - Drag/Cross dressing - Transgender/sex transition surgery - Religious coverings While I won't physically or verbally go out of my way to convince anybody to stop what they are doing, I think a lot of people are making mistakes, are outright confused, and too influenced by culture and peers when they focus too heavily on their identity and the things they do to themselves. I feel people are playing with fire and are wasting a lot of their lives with the slippery slope of crafting their physical/mental image too much. We already live in such a toxic materialism-centric world with so much pressure like you said. I think people ought to learn to accept themselves as they are more, and be more grounded internally that they aren't so obsessed with external semantics and identity. With every girlfriend I've ever had personally I never ask or expect them to wear make-up. I'll love and accept them as they are and they don't need to change or augment themselves around me. The feeling of relief they share with me for having this approach is palpable. My first girlfriend and I had a date once where she showed up and immediately started apologizing for not wearing make-up. She said, "I'm so sorry I didn't have time to put anything on I look ugly today." I replied, "Don't be so fucking silly." She then starting crying and hugged me.

@Emerald No it wasn't particularly directed at you it was more of a general rant/statement. I agree with most of what you said just now in your reply. I would say though it's not that much of an issue that men try to make a lot of money and wealth to attract women, it benefits themselves since you need to improve your own development overall to get more income, and I'd argue it's typically a net benefit for society in general as you need to provide a lot of value for people to get that money. People don't just give it away. I don't find it as big a problem for women either to want to scheme for that as well. I mean if you want to raise a family having a financially/resource stable man is a logical thing to pursue. Perfectly normal survival agenda. Not my type of women because I don't personally value money highly or want my own children, but I get it. What I don't get, and would love to get your perspective on, is why women would ever complain about being objectified or reduced down to their looks, but at the same time be invested so heavily financially and energy wise in beauty products, make-up, impractical sexy/revealing clothing, etc. Nearly every single woman is conditioned to do this, even from an extremely young age. It's like perhaps 5/100 females I see daily that aren't wearing any make-up. It's extremely rare. I'm willing to bet the average woman spends hundreds if not thousands of dollars a year on those sorts of products. The industry is gargantuan. Forgive me but it seems to me like women are shooting themselves in the foot. It's like they are hitting themselves in the face, and then pointing at men, "look what you made me do! stop objectifying me!" Men aren't forcing women to do ANY of this, in fact the only places women are being forced to do stuff is in Muslim countries and other ultra conservative sexist hellholes where ironically they make them put stuff ON, not take it off. Let's just pretend in a hypothetical world that tomorrow make-up no longer existed, or women collectively stopped grooming so heavily. Every woman in the world just had their natural look. The "scale" of attractiveness would collectively drop, but it would just be in a different place. The same women would all be rated accordingly and the species would go on, men would still want to be with them regardless. So why all the make-up and effort to be pretty and look good? If it's just causing men to be shallow pigs, who don't care to learn about your personality? Note I don't think women are completely autonomous or malicious in this hypocrisy by the way, obviously culture is a heavily influence and a lot of humans just unconsciously go along with what they think they need to do. I imagine women feel compelled to compete with each other in this way. However there has to be more to it than that. You're obviously an intelligent person so I'm begging for some insight into this, with you giving your direct perspective and experience as a woman. However I do warn you the conversation will end instantly if I get an elementary vague response that, "wOmEn JuST lIKe tO dReSS uP anD wEAr MaKe UP bEcAuSe iT MaKEs uS fEeL gOoD!" I've heard that same daft response a hundred times asking this, it's a completely inadequate explanation and I'd rather eat an entire bottle of aspirin and run 10 kilometers through glass then hear it again.

Thanks for sharing man. I hope you are finding some balance in your diet and life now after what you went through. Remember to take it one day at a time and don't overthink too much. Seek stability so you can not only get your physical strength back but mental/psychological strength as well. Let this be a lesson to be your own anchor and not put so much faith in others and the way of life they might sell. A big problem with a lot of these Stage Orange/Stage Green lifestyle and diet fanatics is they are sometimes so open minded their brains have fallen out. They are so convinced of some binary and strict method that might have worked for them they don't understand it can be dangerous or even lethal for others. You are really the ultimate authority over your own health and what feels good, nobody else. Experiment and learn things here and there, but don't go full tilt eating pure fruit or not eating anything at all on a whim because of some fleeting inspiration. That's insanity, as you literally found out.

Exactly man, don't feel guilty for an authentic desire. Especially when you are actively trying to improve yourself and be a quality partner to someone you want in your life (a beautiful girl + that has a lifestyle/personality you like I'm guessing). There is nothing wrong about it if these are your motives and you aren't just doing it for the lulz and to abuse/use people, which I'm going to assume you aren't looking to do? The entire criticism of your motives has (I HATE to use this word) gaslighting vibes to it and is honestly fucking stupid nonsense on it's face. The idea that you should feel guilty or ashamed of being attracted to what you are calling a "10", is laughable. On a side note the number rating system is just an unfortunate cultural byproduct that is a little reductive obviously, but it's effective colloquial communication. Anybody who plants a flag that it's purely a materialistic thing is arguing in bad faith and is probably just salty. It reeks of entitlement that women twist what should be taken as compliment and try to make you feel bad for being attracted to them or someone else, something that isn't even your fault or you're responsible for by the way. It's a purely biological coincidence for men that when you see someone if you find them (physically) attractive or not, you literally do not get a choice in the matter. They have an assumption it's purely a materialistic reductionism, and while it is for the most low consciousness hedonistic slobs, they only represent a fraction of men. Only savages can't put the urge to rape someone for their looks aside, the rest of us men understand there are steps between seeing someone you find attractive and getting them to have sex with you/be in a relationship. Which includes talking to and treating them as a human. Logically it doesn't even make sense either to think rating someone for their looks is being shallow, since before you can even have any verbal exchange to learn about their personality you need to literally see them with your eyes. This includes online dating where people are putting up images of themselves which you see on a profile before you can even get access to chat with them. The fact they introduce such mind games and confusion into the fold for something as innocuous and positive as, "I find this person really pretty, or I'd like to have sex with this person, or this girl is a 10!" should tell you everything. Stand your ground and don't trust what they say basically. It's as if they are offended that the WRONG men are attracted to them, like you need to pre-qualify to even be granted the CHANCE to be interested in them lol. "While you were looking we scanned your retinas and dug up your credit score, I'm sorry but you aren't even allowed to DREAM of buying this car." I'm sorry but that is such bullshit I need to call it out no matter how I end up sounding in this post. Even if a creep that you wouldn't sleep with in the million years is attracted to you, it's still a compliment. The primary emotion in the equation should be flattery, with disgust being near the bottom of the list. I remember Leo saying in a video on the topic sometime ago he wished he could be truly authentic and just walk up to a girl he likes and say, "You're gorgeous and I want to fuck you." But he can't because that would get him or any other guy arrested. ***Except Leonardo DiCaprio right ladies *** However we don't live in that world, we live in clown world where everything is backwards and nobody can be real with each other. You need to jump through a gauntlet of mental gymnastics and ridiculously difficult social games (that women create) just to communicate basic desires, while accusal of malicious intent is floating in the background the entire time. Every guy wants to just be able to pursue what they want and not feel like shit for it. The only difference between a guy that will use you and treat you like garbage, and a guy that will respect you and treat you well is their personality. At the end of the day they still BOTH want to fuck you (which again, is a bloody compliment).

Man I remember a feeling of insane optimism when I was a kid in the early 2000's. I was so hopeful of all the cool technology that could happen and seeing where it would take society. Fast forward 20 years later I'm extraordinarily underwhelmed by what has developed. It all seems so bleak and depressing - Social media, alternative news, online dating, filters, AI deepfakes, toxic marketing, etc...... It seems like we fucked everything up big time and our technology ended up being awful for us. People are more depressed, lonely, delusional, violent, and unhappy than ever. The idea of being "online" in the 21st century seems like a fast track to get corrupted and twisted by human bullshit, and a way of life that is antithetical to being fulfilled. Every day I get closer to wanting to abandon all this and live in a cabin in the woods off the grid.

The first struggle I can think of that would annoy me would be not having the same athleticism or strength I currently have. I would probably get tired and injured immediately.

The gap likely changes from being outrageous to still bad but showing a slight semblance of reasonableness.

Getting massive experience and carefully observing people and culture. I used to be a starry eyed naive liberal about this, not so much anymore. Reality turned out to be far different than what I expected and learned from people growing up.

There is no choice but to get better and improve your situation.

There is nothing responsible about sleeping with hundreds of people. That's an oxymoron. It's like saying "I always drive 30KM over the speed limit no matter what road I'm on, but I'm responsible because I service my car regularly and wear my seatbelt!"

If by "potential" you mean the fastest path to getting raped, getting steady child support income, and contracting HIV, then yes.

I didn't say they don't deserve happiness or love, it will just be harder to come by and maintain the more someone sleeps around. They will be more dismissive and less tolerant of working through issues in relationships because they know they can so easily jump to the next one. That kind of detachment has an inflection point where it can be healthy, but also toxic. Also guys will have a harder time loving her because of her past (if they find out), and also they would have to tolerate risk of disease, possible children she might have, etc. I don't think it's wrong to have a few partners a year, but if you are sleeping with new people every month or even couple weeks. You are engaging in poor behavior I think. Not to mention extreme risk of HIV and other STDs.

lol if she's already been with hundreds of dudes, it's over man. She belongs to the streets.

You see the thing is the overwhelming majority of men DON'T sleep around with lots of women, because they can't. Most men are extremely loyal and capable to bond because they know it's really difficult to land a decent partner let alone a great one. It's only a handful of men who are sleeping with dozens of women and making a ruckus. Men initiate divorce and end relationships at a significantly lower rate than women. Despite women's insatiable demand for commitment, they often behave in an opposite manner of their intentions. That's why people say, "Don't listen to what women say, watch what they do." From everything I've learned and from my own experiences, no it's not as damaging for men to be promiscuous. I'm guessing because of an influence from culture and biology. This isn't an argument for promiscuity either, I think people can experiment if they like but don't overdue it. Men and women are different and function in different ways in the world. We aren't equal (except under the law, and in a larger humanitarian sense). That's not a bug, that's a feature. It's kind of annoying seeing people keep stupidly pretending we are.

It's for many good reasons. You listed 4 of them below. It's also damages a woman's psychology to sleep with a lot of men, they have a harder time bonding properly in the future and it makes it more difficult for them to be good mothers. Kids without moms struggle hard. We don't exactly have to be toxic about it, but we shouldn't be encouraged women to be sexually liberal. Nothing good comes from it.