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They can, they chose not to. They could have went ahead with it for the last 20 years, they haven’t. They never created weapons grade uranium, and never developed a nuclear missile. That doesn’t match their behavior though. They never initiated a full on confrontation with Israel, instead just sending funds to small rebel groups. They never seriously tried to get nukes. They ignored Israel’s provocations to the point where israel had to go ahead and start the full scale war with them because otherwise they weren’t going to.

Israel knows Iran would never use nukes if it had them, they’d be immediately vaporized. Israel fears Iran with nukes won’t be able to ever be deposed and can continue doing proxy activities against them without any ability for Israel to threaten to try and escalate until it can drag the US in to depose them. Israelis also can’t psychologically accept that they’ll never not face resistance while occupying Palestinians so they always have to project that all the resistance comes from a foreign power and if they just destroyed them they’d have peace. US knows the same, if they really feared it they would stop rejecting the Middle East nuclear weapons free zone initiative, but they block it because it would require israel also give up its nukes. Iran wants to maintain enrichment so it has the ability to potentially make nukes as a way to get a deal to lower sanctions so they don’t end up like North Korea which is permanently strangled, but also don’t want to totally give up their ability so they don’t end up like Saddam or Gadaffi who the US deposed since they didn’t have nukes. Israel somehow convinced trump to demand Iran agree to no enrichment for any deal knowing it’s a poison pill to negotiations, as a way to get trump to let them have the go ahead to strike. Now that israel declared war on Iran their goal is probably - get the international public distracted from Gaza to further or complete the ethnic cleansing - revive Netanyahu’s political career and support base by exploiting Israeli bloodlust and getting them to rally around the flag - get Iran to rush to make a nuclear weapon to spur US entering the war - get the US to feel it’s in too deep and spur them to enter to try and further destroy their capabilities - trigger state collapse a la Syria What Iran is trying to do is drag things out until the US agrees to tell Israel to ceasefire and return to negotiations, with the unsaid threat being if the US enters they’ll strike gulf states oil infrastructure and close the strait of Hormuz radically increasing oil prices which contracts the world economy, as well as fire on all the vulnerable US targets they can reach in the region. They may do that anyway if they feel like dragging it out isn’t working and israel outlasts them as a way to go for broke to try and drag the US in themselves to create a Afghanistan scenario hoping to drag it out perhaps much longer and reconstitute from within a foreign occupation. If the US is dragged in Iran will be a failed state and China and Russia will try to prop it up to drag the US deeper so it expends more resources, and use that time to expand their spheres of influence with the US bogged down in the Middle East and possibly complete the takeovers of Ukraine and Taiwan. Iran being a failed state similar to what happened in iraq would spread to neighboring regions such as Qatar, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria. Trump could potentially use the war as justification for a crack down on civil liberties and his political opponents possibly to remain in office beyond his term. There is some indication he’s testing for that as seen as how he used ice to arrest and try to deport immigrants for criticizing Israel and using the US military to tamp down protests in LA. Long term I think the biggest risk of that would be - Civil war and balkanization in the US - destabilized nuclear Pakistan entering into a larger conflict with India, Muslim population of India at genocide risk (there have been examples of race riots and talk they are threat working with Pakistan) - US backed dictators in the Middle East deposed while Israel’s population becomes more extreme leading to a existential war and Israel using the Samson option

You repeatedly argued with me there shouldn’t be a ceasefire until Hamas is “destroyed”. Of course that ended up meaning the destruction of the entire Gazan people. Convenient…

You were absolutely celebratory regarding attacks that killed civilians. During the pager attack you were gloating about testicles exploding and when I posted a 8 year old girl who was killed you replied dismissively to me. Because the difference is on every relevant level Israel’s Gaza campaign was worse. They have literally destroyed 90% of buildings and openly say the goal is to make it unlivable and force the population to leave. Destroying water desalination plants, blocking food and medicine, razing farm land, have no military purpose, the purpose is destruction of civilian life. Yet the entire time that was happening, no matter how many tens of thousands of civilians were killed, you didn’t want a ceasefire, effectively you’re just fine with it.

Maybe I missed it, but I’m not seeing celebrating of it in this thread. And I can point to plenty of examples from 2023 early 2024 on here that were celebratory or borderline celebratory from the pro Israel side. Israeli media also reported 90% of missiles are fired at military targets. If that ratios not good enough for you, wait until you find out what israel did. It’s convenient to say you just support a operation because it’s hitting military targets, when supporting the operation means everything else it is doing, including the civilians it hits. If I said I support oct 7 but just because it got military targets, would that be acceptable to you? Actually I don’t know why I bother anymore. Your side will never get it.

Don’t worry, they have shelters, no one is blocking their food creating malnourishment, or medicine forcing amputations without anesthesia, they aren’t being shot while trying to get aid, they aren’t destroying 90% of residences and blocking emergency services from rescuing people stuck in the rubble forcing them to suffocate over days on dust. That only happened to the tens of thousands of Gazan children.

WSJ is reporting Iran is asking for a ceasefire, but a Iranian source told CNN its not true. Right now it’s still unclear if Israel went ahead on its own interrupting the negotiations, or if the negotiations were a ploy to help Israel attack with full US support. Also conflicting reports on if the US is planning to intervene or not.

The drive they used to give with all the videos was just removed unfortunately

https://www.axios.com/2025/06/14/israel-iran-war-us-nuclear-program-trump

https://www.timesofisrael.com/damage-to-iranian-nuclear-sites-so-far-doesnt-appear-significant-say-experts/ Israeli media now reporting Iranian nuclear sites have gained significant damage. So either they’ll try to do it with further strikes or they’re trying to pressure Iran into starting to try and make nukes to force the US to intervene finally.

Your image supports what I said. If they wanted nukes they could have made them, but they didn’t and kept the enrichment below weaponization threshold.

Because there is a difference between having nuclear facilities and making nuclear weapons. In order to make nuclear weapons they’d have to raise the uranium to weapons grade enrichment, which they haven’t done.

They aren’t going to free iran from regime and replace it with a better one, they to turn it into Libya or Syria. All the Israelis you see pretending to care about Iranians will be cheering as that happens.

The reason why people aren’t falling for your narrative that it’s all Netanyahu’s fault, is because the people claiming to oppose him like you actually support his dumbest / worse actions. You have never posted anything regarding Israel’s endless war crimes against Palestinians, you just don’t like the war because you don’t like how it politically helps Netanyahu and hurts the hostages. You continue to post debunked propaganda about “ratios” to justify to yourself your unwillingness to be against Israel killing 20,000 children. Now you’re falling for the obvious propaganda that Iran was making nukes and israel stopped them. In reality no credible report indicated Iran was trying to make nukes, even US intelligence admitted this, and Israel doesn’t have the capability to permanently end their nuclear program. (If they could, the US wouldn’t be still asking for negotiations, in fact if the US could they would have joined the strikes, but US assessments held even with direct US support it would just delay it ). They haven’t even struck every site. If anything this strike will just lead them to think they need to make nukes otherwise their regime will always be at risk. At the same time this is clearly to strengthen Netanyahu’s political position, but the same as post oct 7 your bloodthirst blinds you into supporting what helps him. You are not morally any different from Netanyahu, posting pride flags or whatever as though that proves it while celebrating mass murder just looks bizarre and disturbing to most people who aren’t immersed in Zionist conditioning.

Iran isn’t firing much more missiles than they did last time. More seem to have gotten through so they probably did something this time. Another indication is hezbollah said they won’t attack, if Iran actually thought it had to go for broke it would tell Hezbollah to fire its long range missiles that they sent them specifically to defend Iran. To me this indicates them trying to do enough damage to make israel not want to escalate for fear it increases, but not doing so much damage as to make them want to escalate. I don’t think this goes into a regional war, I don’t think the US would be willing to fully go ahead with attacking Iran as Rubio insisted the US wasn’t involved in his statement. And I don’t think israel would want a full scale war unless the US was directly intervening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe

That’s another issue they have. Jews are also very left wing. So now israel is even losing support among Jews because the young are surrounded by criticism of it.

Then you’re looking too much at the surface level. This isn’t the attitude in israel. Example: two high ranking Israeli economists wrote a report predicting Israel wouldn’t last to 100 years https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-19/ty-article-magazine/.premium/at-this-rate-israel-wont-make-it-to-its-100th-birthday/0000018f-90cf-d065-a7ef-baff65310000 Polls find 40% of Israelis say they want to leave the country https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-12/ty-article-magazine/.premium/40-of-israelis-say-they-consider-leaving-the-country-this-is-what-keeps-them-here/00000196-c014-d9bf-a1b6-e9b442cf0000 And this is while they had unprecedented international support. Maybe they could heal this if that continued indefinitely, but: Since then - even pro Israel governments like the UK, France, and Germany are saying more and more things against them. The UK sanctioned their economic and police ministers, France claimed it will recognize a Palestinian state, and Germany implied it doesn’t believe their war in Gaza is self defense anymore - a poll came out showing the majority of nearly every western country disapprove of them, https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/06/03/most-people-across-24-surveyed-countries-have-negative-views-of-israel-and-netanyahu/ and it’s much higher among younger people meaning it’ll be even more extreme in the future https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/04/08/how-americans-view-israel-and-the-israel-hamas-war-at-the-start-of-trumps-second-term/ - there are reports of unprecedented amounts of Israelis refusing to enter the army. https://www.972mag.com/israeli-army-refusal-crisis-gaza-war/ , Granted that could change if they enter a new war. So what exactly will solve their issues? Completing the genocide of Gaza would accelerate the collapse of support internally and externally as people jump ship. But not completing it means they still have to somehow subjugate millions of people while less and less people support them doing it. Probably why they want to get into a full scale war with Iran to distract from all of this.

It’s not “2 billion Muslims vs 15 million jews”. This is propaganda on the level of pointing out Israel’s land mass is smaller as though that’s proof they are the victims. There are twice as many Jews in America as Muslims, and Jews were much more religiously devoted to israel than muslims were against it despite what the media implies. If it was youd be seeing Pakistan firing nukes at Israel, but that would be ridiculous. Less than 15% of Muslims are Arabs. Israel isn’t fighting Arab countries. When it was, it was in fact a matter of brute force. Israel had a much stronger military and devoted more towards it during the full scale wars. It’s fighting gurella forces in Palestine and Lebanon, and sort of fighting Iran but not a full scale war. And the protests as well as the current fighting are an example of changing tactics. Polls now show Israel’s international support collapsing, and its been dragged into long wars of attrition which lead to massive war crimes and further cause it problems.

That’s only amazing because you’re leaving out the US. The US intervention toppled Iraq and Syria and sanctions all the other countries when they work against Israel, while giving Israel a blank check so it has a much larger military. This is why Israel’s occupation of Palestine is so dangerous to itself and when it began some Israeli historians predicted it would lead to their doom. They can no longer present themselves as the David fighting Golaith, instead the Palestinians are the David resisting the Israeli Goliath.

They aren’t going to accomplish that by just taking out a handful of figures who already have replacements lined up. It looks like they didn’t even strike their main enrichment site. Odds are this is to get Netanyahu more support inside Israel and distract the international community from Gaza and the West Bank which they were increasing criticism for, while also hoping to provoke Iran into a full scale response to bring the USA in to try and do a complete regime change operation.