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@Leo Gura It is difficult to get good mental health treatment. Most mental health practitioners are heavily paradigm locked. Spirituality and western psychiatry do not mesh well at all. They are orthogonal. Something more holistic is needed. I understand you must say these things from a liability perspective but things are not so clear cut.

So sad that he went from this: To whatever psychosis thing he had going on the last few years. Is it a bit "douchey" or whatever to take off your shirt for content. Sure but it is innocent and lighthearted. No bad intentions. Rest in peace man. May your soul get what it needs.

@thierry Law enforcement is in the stone ages when it comes to dealing with mental health emergencies.

@Leo Gura I think he's a good kid with a touch of the 'tism. Abandoning social media to live like a normie and live a normal life will be extremely unappealing compared to the access he has now. The only option is to reimagine and rebuild his entire brand around a philosophy more healthy than black pill.

This is a level headed take. In recent videos it shows him messing around, jumping in the same lake and swimming for the camera. He might've underestimated it this time.

I don’t think so. Just because he was “playing it up” doesn’t mean his behavior wasn’t problematic. Also I feel like he said that a lot so people would stop being concerned. And of course there was a delusional element where he believed he was ok. I think it was both at the same time. He was “acting” up. But he was also not well. It’s just sad that he was basically a ticking time bomb for the last few years and everyone could see it. Him running into the lake and drowning could be seen as paranoia but who knows what he was thinking in the moment.

@Joshe A lot of people thought Oliver Tree dying was fake too since he had such a prankster reputation. But he was recording music in Afghanistan and playing live shows for tribes in Africa. When you live life on the edge sometimes shit happens.

@gengar The details around Leo’s death are extremely murky. Nobody will ever know. Officially it says he fell in the bathroom and died. I mean he wasn’t some old man or anything lol. Could’ve also been a prostitute. Long story short we’ll never know. That ship has sailed. Either he died by falling like it says or we’ll just never know. RIP to Connor. He’s a YouTube legend. Should’ve had better people around him. But then again he’s across the world in Thailand away from any friends and family. @Leo Gura I was talking about Leo Longevity’s death. Since it was tied to Connor and Tony a couple years back when they were hanging out together regularly in Thailand. Officially it says he fell in the restroom and that caused his death. I’m not sure how recklessness correlates with that but if you’re partying in Thailand that is inherently reckless I suppose.

Zyzz was one of the first notable fitness influencers to die in Thailand but that was all the way back in 2011. Leo Longevity also a couple years back. Lot of controversy around this one. People suspect foul play. But who knows. Thailand is a sketchy place. No rules. You can get yourself into trouble by your own doing.

@Brandon L Yeah he was clearly not the same and in psychosis. I give people into spirituality a lot of lee-way as I'm in the community and understand it better than norms but 'dem eyes don't lie. I wonder what happened to him, or what the verdict would be from a Kundalini perspective or something.

My therapist said this when I mentioned my father had it. I do also but more so in Pure OCD rather than just behavioral. It can be quite debilitating. Already having your position in life on track, but psyching yourself out, getting overly worried about minutia but not recognizing it in the moment but perhaps retroactively.

I'm not surprised. Fuck man! He hasn't been doing well for a while now. RIP Connor

@Davino I agree. I’ve also seen plenty of schizophrenic homeless people that have that spiritual gaze like Osho or other such people so it is interesting to see those parallels and energetic changes that most normies do not have. It can lead this dysfunction as you said i spent from age 16-20 really getting serious and taking school very seriously then my entire 20s pushing too much into spirituality and now I’m constantly struggling. So you are right it can undermine the foundation and it’s harder to build it up without the safety nets of your early 20s. You take it for granted when you’re young and making it happen for you is 10x harder if you missed it earlier on in most cases Funnily enough I was also pursuing mech eng. from 18-22 years old

You don't think God realization can help with building a better life? Leo says it can help you achieve unimaginable success... no? (though I do wonder what and how he means) I do think a lot of spiritually awake people seem to excel in creative domains. Steve Jobs is a good example. Not sure he was fully awake but he was into Kriya Yoga and did LSD. Also John Lennon in music. Oliver Tree seemed pretty awake to me but his message was that you have to put in the work and it won't fall on your lap.

Hard to be edgy now day with how pychotic real life is already

Beautiful question friend. Eradicate limiting beliefs and raise baseline state. Help eliminate poverty.

I mean kinda. It's more like a sophisticated form of peacocking. Where peacocking is primitive as shit. And to some extent cold approach also. Approaching like a mad man is like cold calling in sales. Not very effective for most. Also there is not a shared context in many cold approaches, complete lack of social proof in most cases which is cold approaches biggest weakness -- hence what integral is getting at. @integral Just like meeting a girl at work even, the shared context gives you a reference point within the social hierarchy of that environment. You are part of that tribe so to speak. But some random guy trying to sell a vacuum at your door step is not too different from cold approach in terms of lack of trust, social proof, etc... because you are a total stranger. I think this effect does vary from city to city, and so on and so forth...

@Zenterus The last one is brilliant

I want to do this so BAD around Covid (lol). There were so few opportunities when I graduated uni, especially during Covid and there was still plenty of opportunities in the teaching English industry in China. I even got a TEFL certificate which most schools required. Didn't end up doing it but I wonder what my life would be like if I did. Definitely you can save quite a bit of money.

@integral I dont even necessarily believe in self development very much. I think its about removing all the excess BS and striving, till there is nothing left but your essence. I think a lot of people have that. Like their own signature. Irrespective of how unglamourous what remains is. Self acceptance so deep and pervasive that all striving and seeking ends. Just at peace with yourself. I think from here a better life will flow to you anyways and it might not necessarily be a crazy social life, dating, millionaire status. I see a lot of people go for the end result, the outcome and the more I get to know them, the less I want to be like them. In fact, I feel bad. Then there's guys that dont have any of those high status indicators or lifestyle but they have real friendship and family -- loved ones. I think its important to understand what type of game we're playing.

Having that type of integrity is integral. At the end of the day you’ll never be authentically yourself if you live that way, trying to morph yourself into something in order to get love from the world. Like Oliver Tree said “Ugly is Beautiful” It’s about accepting who and what you are. Do I look down on the geeky autistic guy that cannot socialize on a level playing field just because he can’t get laid like a frat dude? Of course not… that’s preposterous and I would argue a futile pursuit for many guys like that. Do I look down on them? Or do I respect there individuality? Which looks different for every person, of course

I'll be honest... Thus far I have not been able to do out of body experiences (OBE). But from what I can gather the insights people develop from OBE and God realizations show a lot of similarities. For instance, the idea that the world we live in is a dream / illusion. I'm curious for those that have had better luck having OBEs how it compares to God realization. Is it necessary to be able to do it. I find the idea very interesting and I sometimes get the feeling that God realization might be a conceptual cope at times -- particularly if you are not able to even leave your body OBE style. I know there are people in this community that are able to do it. I myself have never really had hallucinations or altered states that lead to a fundamentally different experience of reality -- not visually anyway. Like yes, there are deep insights but it remains mostly within the realm of my own psychological experience -- I think for 5MeO users it is similar.

If this was ever cult, it certainly isn't one now. Just a bunch of people chatting. In fact so many people I see making threads challenging Leo and doing there own personal investigation. I don't really see people taking things at face value but rather trying to sort Life out for themselves.

I experienced so much of this in my 20s. Tbh not committing hard to a decently stable path made my life 100x worse. I tried doing a lot of the sales stuff but I just don't have the personality for it and morally was nearly impossible to manipulate people non stop. But it did make me less afraid of knocking on doors and starting conversations. While those sales jobs were low leverage and 99.99% of the time resulted in instant rejection, I can easily tolerate that ambiguity in a more calculated way without burning myself out. Getting a few NOs here and there is worth it if sometimes it results into opportunities. Anyway, wasting my 20s jumping around from different degree programs, from engineering to psychology to computer science, was a big waste of time. Job market changed a lot BUT at the end of the day I can't predict everything. I made some bets and they didn't pan out the way I thought. Partially because I didn't know myself well enough. Partly because I had this sort spiriitual mumbo jumbo, law of attraction wishful thinking that it would all work out some way. But it doesn't. Instead I found myself physically depleted, unloading boxes out of trailers at a warehouse on a graveyard schedule only making $300 USD a week and a broken circadian rhythm. And a bunch of other crappy jobs including janitor which was actually the easiest and chillest. Regret leaving that job as it gave me a lot of free time and was not physically spent after work like at the warehouses. But I was certainly embarrassed but it beats doing back breaking warehouse work. I changed the strategy. Now I am purely as practical as strategic as hell. I think there is an element of letting things work themselves out but I think let my mind wander too much in my 20s. Now I try to be meticulous and rational about income goals and making sure whatever career I do now and whatever I do in the future meets certain criteria rather than just my naivete and optimism. Because this is my future on the line and I don't want 10 more years of whatever the fuck my 20s was doing bullshit jobs that were soul-crushing and wasted time being paycheck to paycheck. I wish I'd realize this in my 20s. I wouldn't have wasted time exploring or "trying" to find myself at the expense of my future. Good luck finding yourself. I'm still trying and not sure I will ever get there LOL. The reality is I didn't get a second chance after my 20s and now I have to work hard to dig myself out of the hole I didn't realize I was digging. Financial aid in my 20s and a couple small subsidized loans would've covered it all. Anyway, once you have that financial foundation, you can easily build up the rest of your life tbh. Just my opinion. And this is just one perspective among many other. It’s reflects where I am currently at. How I’m choosing to respond to current conditions based upon my reflection on the last 12 years or so. My adult life essentially and the corrections I feel would correct and mitigate previous mistakes