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Brother you're not going to do well on this forum with those arguments. It's pretty obvious that you resonate with rationality, logic and conservatism. That ain't gonna fly if you're into Leo's content.

Diana should just pay me already . Glad it helped you! Ahh I'm glad someone brought up ISTA. I want to do one of their workshops, looks good. That book is trash. Not saying there aren't some decent tips in there, but overall it's not something I'd recommend if you're interested in conscious sex. Get better sources.

Green has its toxicity. But many people criticizing it are not doing so from a place of having not really integrated it. I mostly see is stage orange thinking pushing back against green and then claiming it’s because they are yellow. Green also gets a lot of attention because it’s where we are transitioning to. No one talks about purple because for the most part we don’t see purple.

@Nivsch Perhaps we should start making a distinction between aloneness and Aloneness. "Aloneness" = universe as One, which is also you. "aloneness" = I am a isolated individual, i.e ego. These are obviously not the same at all. "Aloneness" is not lonely at all! It's the opposite. If you're feeling lonely, I've found that's a product of "aloneness". The other problem is that non-duality becomes impossible describe using language, since language is inherently dualistic. Hence, why spiritual teachers have you sit and meditate instead of just feeding you teachings. Take time off if you need. It's totally fine. But no, these teachings are not some shadow of stage Turquiose. They just need to be fully understood and not misinterpreted.

@Valwyndir Beautiful words. I find that love is always found underneath our conditioning. Conditioning from the past and traumatic experiences. But also, conditioning from different social systems and institutions. Acts like what you are describing create a glitch in the matrix of egocentrism and survival. It reminds us that it's not real. They're like cracks of sun shining through the clouds, saying "hey, remember this?" It's there in spiritual texts like the Bhagavad Gita and even business books like The Thank You Economy. They attempt to unravel the stories that we have told that keep us from accessing our heart. Because you cannot lose your connection to your heart, you can only be trained not to listen.

@Twega Forgiveness is the end of the healing process. It’ll arise when you’ve processed the emotions this experience has brought up for you. You don’t need to force it. I once had a bike stolen from me. But it was a rental bike, so besides paying to rent it, I also almost ended up having to pay for “losing” it. And I still wouldn’t have a bike. I was not ready to forgive in that moment. Be with your emotions. Be with your thoughts. Notice the patterns you mind plays out. Does it go into victim? Do you feel like you’ll never get this money back again? Do you want to hurt this person who hurt you? Notice all of it.

@Dryas Speaking as someone with a Masters degree in economics, I agree with her. The problem is not so much with studying economics. Actually we need more of that. Especially economists who are connected to their heart and who are willing to question the dogma of the field. The problem is that many economists are rationalists who think life is about utility maximization, efficiency and economic tradeoff. Poetry in many ways represents the opposite of that. Poetry has no real value except that it’s beautiful. It is not efficient or economically ideal. It doesn’t “need” to exist in the sense that we will not die without it. There is no requirement for it to be so beautiful. We could all use a little more poetry in our lives.

@Preety_India I’ve been to UPW twice. It is good if you’re new to personal development. Tony will definitely put you on the right track, I got a lot of benefit out of it. Some of the exercises he has you do are excellent. But there’s also so much to learn beyond what I’ve seen from Tony.

@Clarity808 I don’t like living alone and I don’t know many people who do. Social species and all that. Not to mention, it’s going to be challenging to actualize your vision alone. You’re going to need a strong network, even if it’s only digitally.

Well said. Even if you have awareness, it’s hard to argue either side of this without coming across as missing the bigger picture. If I say “redditers have gone too far”, then it can look like I’m unaware of the systemic problems and history of corruption we face. Plus victim shaming. If I say “eat the rich”, then it can look like I hate rich people and support vigilante justice. Really the truth is highly nuanced in all of this. I’m appreciating just how challenging communicating about these social problems can be.

There's too much "eat the rich" vibes that are going on with whole situation now. Don't get me wrong, I do support it. And I don't intend to tell redditers they shouldn't be mad or not to seek justice. No, they are justified in all of that. But at the same time, all that anger is creating an obviously lack of empathy and awareness here. Hedge fund managers and wall street executives are not the evil people they are being portrayed as. In fact, I see them as much the victim of our systems as the redditers. How traumatized do you have to be to want to be a hedge fund manager? Just because they're the ones making money doesn't mean they're not a victim.

Read books, watch youtube videos and then just go out. Interact with girls. You'll figure it out. In person if you can. Sounds like that might not be an option though, so start with text. That's some real life pickup. I'll share a story too. Met a girl at a party, everything was clicking. Her friends love me and she is more than willing to go back to my place. But it's about a 15 minute walk back to my apartment (pre-uber era). And it is FREEZING outside. Like the coldest night of the entire year, plus massive windchill. Absolutely miserable walk. By the time we get back, she was just like...nah. I'm still mad about that one .

It is if you’re in the right place to receive it. Me in my early 20s would have laughed and thrown it away.

What happened was you’re 15 and don’t have proper sexual education / experience. Also, you were drunk. Which never leads to good sex in my experience, despite what people say. The good news is your experience is common. I’ve have my own version of what you’re talking about plenty of times. Things like this will disappear as you get more experience. Talk to her about it. If she’s really not interested in hearing from you again then move on.

@ivankiss I definitely had a similar experience. I was involved in the PUA community and had pretty good "success". But it just wasn't that appealing after a while. I'd highly recommend reading a book called Slow Sex by Diana Richardson. Totally changed my perspective on sex and what I was looking for.

@MrBON Just because what she is saying might be true to a certain degree, doesn’t mean you’re not biased. You still came on a forum and felt the need to post this video, trying to prove your point of view that women have unrealistic standards. And why might you do that? Not because it’s true. You posted this video because you’re struggling with dating and you need to justify it. Even your language like “legendary roast” shows that you’re getting a certain satisfaction out of this. In this case, it’s the feeling that it’s okay that your dating life is not what you want. Of course, it is okay. There’s no shame if you’re struggling with dating. But be aware this is not an objective analysis you’re making here.

The path forward for undeveloped countries is for developed countries to stop trying to “develop” them.

I think you've got it completely backwards. If anything, "undeveloped countries" are the reason the planet hasn't gone under yet. Economic growth does not create all the amazing things you think it does. The vast majority of the material wealth is captured at the top, it does not increase happiness and it cannot be decoupled from environmental pressures. If anything, economic growth is the cause of our social problems. If everyone lived like we do in the developed world, the whole planet is screwed. Of course, it's not even possible for the undeveloped world to "catch up" because them being undeveloped is how developed countries come into existence. You have to exploit someone in order to become a developed country. It's a duality that demands someone is rich and someone is poor. So no, I don't buy into the development / growth narrative. It's also extremely arrogant to assume that we are ahead of undeveloped countries and they must "become like us". That's the colonizer narrative. If anything, the focus should be on degrowing western economies, not dragging undeveloped countries into our mistakes.

No I think your intuition is correct. I was just talking with @LfcCharlie4 about this. Money allows you to increase the scale of human civilization. But when facing an ecological crisis, that's not exactly what you want. We need to operate within conscious limits and leave the planet better than we arrived. The other main problem I see with money is that it becomes a proxy for relationship, community & trust. It's no wonder then, as we fail to find real belonging, that we begin searching for in coping mechanisms like excess consumerism. Which ironically creates more environmental pressures and the need for more money. I think it can be done. But I also think it'll take time. We're not ready for that level of relationship & trust just yet.

You're welcome. The only problem is that even if you get rid of your credit cards, you're still talking about the vast majority of the money supply that is created as interest-bearing debt. So there's really no escaping this unless you plan on not using money at all. And even then it's debatable whether you could really isolate yourself from the effect of this. The only real option to me is systemic change.

He’s right that it is essentially a ponzi scheme. But he didn’t mention how interest bearing-debt money plays a huge factor as well in endless growth and the ponzi scheme nature of capitalism. This is a decent video explaining the basics:

Thank you Nahm for sharing this. I feel like most of us just argue with Leo on this forum and don't often express gratitude. And yet his work has helped likely everyone here. I'd love to see more Leo appreciation in the future. It's so fascinating because she's saying a lot of the same things we talk about here, i.e surrender, forgiveness, seeing beyond just temporary pleasure and seeking true happiness. I suppose it really comes down to the intention behind those words. Curious what your interpretation was.

Love that you brought up the law of abundance. I'm very familiar with this kind of thinking. Abraham-Hicks was one of my biggest influences. I've done all the "money inner work" and "prosperity consciousness" training one could probably do. I do think it's good to do. However, I don't see a real understanding of economics with a lot of prosperity consciousness people. I believe they're expressing a half-true that needs more nuance. Yes, we want abundance. But how? How do we achieve it? It is done through accumulating my individual wealth and holding onto it? Because if that's the strategy I am going to use, that means everyone else is going to do the same thing. Or is wealth achieved through sharing? I think sharing represents real abundance. That's a level of security that I cannot achieve on my own or when people are competing against either other. And I mean real sharing. Like private ownership needs to be questioned. Also, how do we measure wealth? Is a mansion wealth? Is lots of money even wealth? What does it mean to be wealthy? So I find it's just not that simple. Yeah the way I envision it, it would almost be like conscious inflation. Except more aggressive than what is usually argued for. And tacked on from the moment money is created. Yeah that's exactly it. Keep it movin'. There's no shortage of money. It could easily be funded in numerous ways if that's what we want. Well first we need to understand why money exists. The explanation economists give is that money exists because it's more efficient than barter. Money allows trade to happen much more quickly and effectively. Perhaps this is somewhat true. However, I find this to be a massive projection by economists, who assume that pre-modern mankind felt the same scarcity of time and resources that we do now. It also doesn't line up with historical records, which show that barter was extremely rare. Most indigenous scholars would tell you that gift economy was the way things were mostly done, not barter. So what this means to me is that growth and money are tied together. In order to have a global economy of billions of people, you need a tool. A tool that acts as a proxy for the trust and relationship that would have been present in small, tribal gift economies. That tool is, of course, money. Money allows us to have an exchange with very little trust or relationship with the person we are doing an exchange with. I do not have to know my grocery store clerk, my amazon delivery guy or just about anyone these days. All we really need to know, is does this person have money? There may be certain circumstances where this doesn't totally hold. For instance, getting into a business partnership might be a counter-example of what I'm saying. But by in large, the level of trust and relationship required in a money-society is far lower. This then becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more people use money, the more relationships are eroded, and the more money becomes necessary. So how do you end money? Simple. You need people to deeply trust each other again. You need real relationships, not just transactional ones. Relationships where people feel free to give without any expectation of how they will receive because the relationship and trust is so strong. Which, by the way, is one of the tenets of prosperity consciousness. More practically, I think it starts with re-localizing a lot of economic activity. Instead of one global economy, you would have many robust and resilient local economies that are interdependent which each other. This allows for a smaller scale of activity where it's possible to rebuild that level of relationship / trust. You could start with local currencies that decay in value. If that proved successful, then you could transition off currency and into timebanking / LETS systems. And if they worked, then you could drop even that. Essentially, you have to baby-step people back into a gift economy. Eventually you'd have no need for money. Admittedly, this is all very theoretical. Local currencies have had their problems getting off the ground. So I'm not claiming it's a simple thing to achieve. Also, it's possible that money continues to be a useful tool for quite a while. The goal should not be to get rid of money, but to focus on rebuilding trust, relationship and community. Then if money disappears as a byproduct of that, great. Otherwise if it still serves, keep it. Money is just a tool and we don't need to fight for or against it.

@LfcCharlie4 Good thread idea. Let's get our craziest ideas out there. My list: The vast majority of people would happier living communally Individual accumulation of wealth is counterproductive and an impossible strategy for achieving abundance Money should decay in value over time instead of holding value We should pay people to do nothing, i.e UBI Life was not just a brutal struggle to survive prior to modern society Slow, manual labor and creation is good for the soul All things are alive and with consciousness that you can communicate with Angels, spirit guides and aliens are "real" Earthing, aka grounding, is real Instantaneous physical healing is possible for all disease Eventually we will not need money Eventually we will not need military Eventually we will not need law enforcement Show me how I'm wrong, I'm open to it.

Because when things aren't regulated, wall street execs will end up fucking up things even worse. Look what happened when they repealed Glass-Steagall. That's not to say it's right what is happening on wall street. It's not. It's super shitty that a bunch of people make billions of dollars largely just gambling and rigging the government. And it needs to stop. But a peasant revolt of people doing the same thing is not going to stop it. Although it's obviously drawing attention to the issue, which is good. Really you need to change the paradigms and systems that allow for something like wall street in the first place. All that said, I have to admit I find it kind of hilarious. A bunch of reddit nerds bankrupting a wall street hedge fund? We are in an alternate universe right now.