BlackPhil

Thing is this censoring/cancel tactic isnt working, its stupid. As soon as the left or any tech company censors any rightwinger/group the pro right media and people will make this big headlines. Then the fact that people are hearing that the trump-side are getting censored by bigtech will make them support that side way more than any propaganda qanon or any other group could push.

The left very much have themselves to blame for Trump being this popular. I mean how stupid can you get? By calling everyone who disagrees with you a nazi/white supremacist, censoring right wingers, rioting, blaming all cops or all white people for the actions of one guy, making up easily dubunkable lies and overstatements by Trump in MSM and overall acting like a bunch of irrational, unconscious degenerates you are just making people sympathize with Trump more! No way this many "normal" people would support Trump if it wasnt for the behaviour of the leftist and MSM lies. I know many people who use to be trumphating democrats, hippies pretty much, who are now voting Trump just because of the leftists stupidity. Im not a fan of Trump myself so this is painful to watch... sometimes it even feels like the left and MSM wants Trump to win using some reverse psychology, if not the stupidity is just on another level...

So Im wondering what the nondual perspective on astral projection is? I myself am a nondualist, I agree that the source/god/infinity is one conciousness, but from what I can tell from Leo, and also people like Martin Ball, is the idea that the illusion of the self/separation only goes as deep as this physical body? And that, for instance, when we die we immedietly go nondual. But why do we in this case "have" an astral body? First time I experienced an astral projection was before I even had a clue what it was. Back then I was a young agnostic/sceptic who was only trying to provoke lucid dreaming by basically doing a form of meditation in my bed. After a while I got intense vibrations in my whole body before my astral body separated, limb by limb, and went hovering above my bed (in the astral plane). After that experience I started studying what it was and have since then experienced it many times (was some time ago now, seems I cant do it as easily nowdays for some reason). I mean judging from this I must assume that the illusion of the self/ego/perspective goes way "deeper" that this physical body. Also there are many people who claim there are further planes that you can visit "above" the astral one (like so called mental planes etc) all the way til the source/god. I personally never went this far but my experiences with just astral one (where Ive met entities and seen incredible stuff) has been very intense and convincing, so I would like to hear Leos thoughts on whats going on here. I can add that this always happened without any form of drugs. I have since then experimented with many psychedelics from lsd to ayahuasca/dmt (not 5 meo yet) and sure it can be amazing and insightful but it still feels very different from an actual astral projection (including dmt-breakthrough). To me it seems like the illusion of this reality has different planes, where this physical one is the final one with the most dense vibration of energy/consciousness so to speak. And that all forms that exist in this illusion also has "images" on the other planes before the final manifistation here. I know that in reality its actually nothing but it seems like the illusion has many layers to it.

Everything is heaven/divine/god just from the simple fact that it actually is something instead of nothing. Doesnt mean there arent realms that can be hellish for the egos/perspectives way beyond this place (Ive visited some myself when astral travelling).

Yes. I mean sure we are gods imagination, but what says god didnt already imagine that these forms/egos we call humans remain separated and just change into another dream/dimension after physical death (maybe stuff like karma might come into play here determining where we go)?

Mm sure its rare but every human has the ability to learn the practice. Seems like a few people (like myself) just have an easier time doing it naturally, for unknown reasons. This stuff has been practiced and recorded by human beings for as long as history goes, and every healthy humanbeing can learn it, some easier than others. What Im wondering is why the forms of this "reality" seems to have different layers/planes to it. And why we as egos can experience this if we only exist as either the illusion of physical form or the absolute/god.

Could say that in a sense yes, in another sense no. But still that doesnt explain much either. This physical plane is in a way also a dream (that you can become lucid in). The question is why the ego seems to have access to all these different planes of dreams (and seems to have a "body/vehicle" for each of them), if the illusion of separation between the ego and the absolute doesnt go way deeper than many nondualists seem to grasp.

Well actually when it happened most frequently was back like 10 years ago when I was in my late teens. Back then I didnt really do much spiritual practices, I only smoked weed and did some casual meditation now and then. I would say my consciousness is alot "higher" nowdays but I still have a harder time performing astral projection at will. Nowdays it happens randomly now and then, usually when Im newly awake in the morning. Always starts with intense (nowdays almost painful) vibrations mostly in my spine/skull. And Im fully aware of the experience, its like a lucid dream but much more real and "conscious plus the fact that you are fully aware of the actual separation from your physical form, and its all but an instant shift of consciousness (like dmt-breakthrough is), instead its slow and goes limb by limb pretty much. I get the feeling that many nondualists may neglect the possibilities of many layers to this specific game/art of forms we're in. And instead only jumps directly from this here to the absolute. Source is one and everything, this is not new stuff. But that doesnt mean there cant be illusions of more stuff between this illusion and source/god/nonduality.

Look. I know its one consciousness playing a game with itself including all possibilities at once (within an infinite amountof bubbles of "realities/possiblities"), using forms and different shapes to make some sort of art, and with the tools/forms we call egos/humas/animals/perspectives observe the whole thing. Its all mindstuff, you dont need to tell me what the absolute is, because I know all you can tell me about it. Also put down the ego bs, yes you are god at the core but dont engulf your ego with the whole glory. What Im wondering is the take on why this sort of things, that we can try to put into words, as separation from the "physical form/astral projection",aswell as planes of "existance", seem to exist/appear for so many perspecitves (forms/egos/humans) in this specific dream/illusion.

Yes Ive been both trying to explore it myself and listened to people with much experience. But since Leo and people like Martin Ball claims that the ego just consists of this physical body/mind I would like to here their take on this stuff. Does Leo have any personal experience with astral projection etc? (Typing from phone)

Well Im not really looking for rationalist-scientists attempts to explain and rationalise the irrational, you dont get very far by listening to them. Im not really that interested in exactly what happens in the brain during these experiences, but the metaphysical stuff. These scientists claiming its an hallucination, not even yet grasping that everything including this physical reality is one. I cant really take modern scientists seriously when it comes to spirutual/meta- questions. And I know its just one thing when we bring it down fully, but planes would be a way to put words to something thats going on here.