BlackPhil

You're not exactly helping to promote your cause Please go on making fools out of yourselves and just proving my point.

What exactly went over my head? Try to repeat it again.

Very true. I sincerely hope he's just making an honest mistake here and not something more malicious. I just find it so strange that a person like Leo, who's literally teaching about these traps would fall into one of them this hard. If it indeed is an honest mistake I hope he will atleast have the ability to drop the ego and admit it because this is not good to push people like he has been doing on this forum. If I get banned for bringing this up I couldn't care less tbh, why would I want to remain on an authoritarian forum with an ego that can't accept criticism? Don't get me wrong, I love actualized and many of the teachings but when it comes to this subject matter I'm amazed at what's going on.

You can't be serious. Wake the fuck up. Not interested in debating more ideologs here but jesus christ what are you talking about?

Sigh. You're not clever at all my friend. I hope you're just a kid for your own sake. Anyways, I think there are still sane people out there who will actually take the time to listen before they make up their mind.

Listen to yourself. Don't you realise how ignorant and stupid you're sounding? Try to leave your limited pov for a second and open your mind. When you have listened to the podcast and have some actual arguments against what Malone is saying then I'm willing to listen. What you're trying to do now belongs in the kindergarten.

So it begins, the standard ridicule and avoiding the topic. Are you really ignorant enough to not understand that people like this have no choice other than to use alternative media and sources to get their voices heard because they get censored and banned on all controlled media? Are you really not able to make this simple conclusion? Like I said, this thread is about the content of what he's saying. Listen and stop acting like absolute fools. When you have something relevant to say regarding the subject matter, then feel free to speak. How is he supposed to use the sources you deem credible when he gets censored on those without explanation?

How would that be possible when all the people promoting the mainstream view refuse to debate people like this? Instead they try to shut them down, censor them and take them out. Doesn't this fact speak for itself?

Well, I'd rather trust natural evolution of the virus than something rushed out by humans in a lab tbh (even if this would cause my physical death). If this virus follows the normal pattern of similar viruses it will mutate to less lethal variants (which seems to already be the case with omicron). These mRNA-shots only last for a short period and obviously doesnt stop the spread nor people from getting the disease so I don't really see the big benefit here in the longrun? Most people will instead end up with both getting the virus plus potential side-effects from the mRNA-shots. And the fact remains that covid is pretty much harmless for younger people, while the vaccines has shown to cause hearth problems (especially for young men). This means I don't really see the big benefit here? If it was either or (and the vaccines was one effective shot that made you immune for a long time) it would be a different story. But it's not. The worst part is that they're trying to force the jabs upon people tho. I don't have anything against letting people do as they wish. The problem starts when it becomes (more or less) mandatory. When media and politicians create more polarization and division through demonization of people who don't want to be part of the experiment. This is the real problem.

Nobody is mandating ibuprofen are they? On implementing ibuprofen passports for you to access basic services in society? Ofc not, and there's where the problem lies. Apart from that ibuprofen is well tested and we know the long term side effects. These vaccines we do not know but are still trying to push them on the whole human race, over and over, pretty much by force. I hope you can see the difference?

Wrong post.

Omg, what are you even talking about... Since when is the vaccine having side effects a conspiracy theory? You're the one being an ideolog if anyone here. All medications have side-effects and this seems to have pretty serious ones, that's not a conspiracy. This forum is about personal development, spirituality and enlightment. Physical and mental health goes hand in hand with this. Discussing potential side effects from the vaccines is ofc very relevant because such things can complicate all these things we are working towards. Would advice you to open your mind abit and stop being so judgemental to everyone with a different opinion. If not I can promise you it will prevent your spiritual development.

Yeah, well it's abit early to make out anything from the numbers. Would be literally impossible to already have registered and examined everyone who potentially got those side effects. Even WHO goes against the booster hysteria now; “No country can boost its way out of the pandemic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/who-boss-covid-booster-drives-likely-prolong-pandemic Also seems like Australia is changing it's tactics and going for herd-immunity instead. Finally a glimpse of hope in all the madness going on. Been saying that for a long time, ofc you can't make such a transmittable virus go away by "boosting" with a leaky vaccine. Only thing that will accomplish is forcing virus-mutations that are more resistant to the vaccine to evolve and get dominant. It's counterproductive.

And btw, a tip to Leo: Make one single thread for this topic and let people discuss it there. You can then tell people to only post vaccine stuff in that specific thread keep the others free from it. This way people who don't want to read it can just avoid that thread. Otherwise it will naturally come up everywhere because it's the hottest topic in society right now, can't escape that fact.

Is it really "very very few"? That's the thing. I personally know more people who got hearth problems after taking the mRNA-shots than I know people who got very sick from covid, and like I've mentioned, I live in a country that didn't even lock down. How am I supposed to be pro these vaccines when things just don't add up when looking at reality and the numbers? I hope you get well soon! I think you should avoid hard physical exercise until your hearth feels normal. Many athletes who died during intense workout here in Europe now.

Here is an interview with an mRNA- scientist for those who are interested.

Yes I read about it. If it indeed works like a classic vaccine I'm open to taking it, sure.

Alot of doctors have orders to tone down side effects as much as possible and blame it on other stuff. Here is an example of a guy who got bad side effects but didnt get taken seriously by the doctors. Probably because of the political and social stigma. Edit: Anyways, not gonna debate that more here but I have to say it can be very harmful to just shut down all discussions about the negatives regarding the vaccine and vaccine mandate. Sure I can understand people get tired of all the conspiracy theories and real "anti-vaxx" stuff but not being able to discuss the potential side-effects etc doesn't seem healthy.

Neither is Leo when it comes to mRNA-technology, virology, medicine or vaccines in general. So that's not really a good point. Many gurus and yogis are negative to the vaccine because they understand how complicated the human body is, both physical and energetic, and therefor knows that injecting a new, untested gene-therapy technology could very likely disrupt this balance. This is, like we all should know by now, not a classic vaccine but a relatively new technology. Yogis, osteopath etc have a much deeper knowledge about the energy bodies than normal doctors. Material science and medicine are clueless about so much stuff since they operate from the old paradigm. You're saying we are in a war/crisis when it comes to the virus. But is that really true if you go outside and turn off the news? I live in a country which haven't locked down during the whole pandemic and I just cant see it being as bad as they write in the media. Here in Europe more and more people are seeing through this now, from both political factions.

Feels like Leo is abit stuck in an echo-chamber when it comes to politics tbh, just like so many others nowdays with all the polarization going on. Associating every criticism of the vaccines with the opposite political faction. I don't really see any other gurus or yogis pushing these vaccines on people, quite the opposite. Anyways Leo has alot of valuable wisdom when it comes to certain spiritual topics, but this doesn't make him an expert on everything ofc. I would advice you all to not follow him blindly on this issue even if you learned alot from him when it comes to other topics. It's his forums so guess the vaccine debate won't happen here, fine by me.

This whole physical illusion is in fact conspiring, by design, to keep us/you from waking up (Leo himself has talked about this in his video about distraction). The whole thing is built upon falsehood, self deception and tricks in order to even "exist" in the first place. So ofc there will be many conspiracies ongoing (both human made but also, even more, deeper in the design itself). Individual people will play part in this by default aswell, both consciously and unconsciously, and so will, naturally, the collective too (because the collective/mainstream is a reflection of the individuals). Because of this human society has always been filled with conspiracies and deception (just look at history aswell as our current societies right now), we are literally built, as beings, to engage in such actions (some more than others) until you become fully enlightened and ego-less. Therefore it's not very wise to say "actualized.org is no place for conspiracy theories" as if you're thinking that would be a good thing. Ofc there are many crazy conspiracy theories out there which are completely untrue, but disregarding every single one just because of that fact is just plain stupid and ignorant. Edit: It's ofc true that many conspiracy theories themselves serves as a distraction if you let them. I dont usually concern myself very much with these kinds of theories but this specific one, with leaders using covid as an excuse for more authoritarianism etc, is going to affect us all very directly, too much to ignore. Bit more authority by leaders and society would'nt necessarily be bad IF those leaders and societies were wise and conscious enough to handle that power. I don't think that's the case at all for obvious reasons.

True words. Feels like this "crisis" is forcing people to show their true self. There are alot of, so called, spiritual people who talk alot and pretend to be fearless and loving while things are all good. Still many of them absolutely lost it the second a small survival threat like this showed up.

No offence but that's among the most stupid things Ive heard. Yes there are lab made things that can increase your consciousness. But there are also like a 100000 times as many labmade things that can decrease it. Generally the things that are promoted the most by the mainsteam are things that decrease it (alcohol, opiates, benzos, social media, matieral wealth, material beauty, tv etc etc) It is a fact that the mainsteam society (and what is being pushed by it) is an illusion of distraction, that are trying to prevent us from unity and waking up. Therefore you should always be very sceptical of things being promoted by this distraction. Even if we play with the idea that these "vaccines" are not physically dangerous, I would not be surprised at all if they lower your consciousness, just like any other poison could, in order to keep you distracted from the truth. This is one of the main focuses of, so called, society and politics so why not assume these injections are part of that distraction and falsehood?

Very true. People are truly falling straight into this trap. Even people who in other issues seemed sane and conscious.

Same here, AZ is not used and neither is Moderna for people under 30. Because the risk of hearth complications were deemed too high they both got stopped. Now it's coming out that Pfizer is probably just as bad tho. I believe all mRNA is more or less poision for us tbh. Got nothing against classic vaccines. I also know of several people who got very bad side effects. Sure it's anecdotal evidence and I'm not forcing anyone to believe me but not speaking out about this wouldn't feel right. People/different versions of you/me ARE getting hurt (and even dying) from mRNA-tech and this shouldnt be ignored.