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Yeah, well it's abit early to make out anything from the numbers. Would be literally impossible to already have registered and examined everyone who potentially got those side effects. Even WHO goes against the booster hysteria now; “No country can boost its way out of the pandemic.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/who-boss-covid-booster-drives-likely-prolong-pandemic Also seems like Australia is changing it's tactics and going for herd-immunity instead. Finally a glimpse of hope in all the madness going on. Been saying that for a long time, ofc you can't make such a transmittable virus go away by "boosting" with a leaky vaccine. Only thing that will accomplish is forcing virus-mutations that are more resistant to the vaccine to evolve and get dominant. It's counterproductive.

And btw, a tip to Leo: Make one single thread for this topic and let people discuss it there. You can then tell people to only post vaccine stuff in that specific thread keep the others free from it. This way people who don't want to read it can just avoid that thread. Otherwise it will naturally come up everywhere because it's the hottest topic in society right now, can't escape that fact.

Is it really "very very few"? That's the thing. I personally know more people who got hearth problems after taking the mRNA-shots than I know people who got very sick from covid, and like I've mentioned, I live in a country that didn't even lock down. How am I supposed to be pro these vaccines when things just don't add up when looking at reality and the numbers? I hope you get well soon! I think you should avoid hard physical exercise until your hearth feels normal. Many athletes who died during intense workout here in Europe now.

Here is an interview with an mRNA- scientist for those who are interested.

Yes I read about it. If it indeed works like a classic vaccine I'm open to taking it, sure.

Alot of doctors have orders to tone down side effects as much as possible and blame it on other stuff. Here is an example of a guy who got bad side effects but didnt get taken seriously by the doctors. Probably because of the political and social stigma. Edit: Anyways, not gonna debate that more here but I have to say it can be very harmful to just shut down all discussions about the negatives regarding the vaccine and vaccine mandate. Sure I can understand people get tired of all the conspiracy theories and real "anti-vaxx" stuff but not being able to discuss the potential side-effects etc doesn't seem healthy.

Neither is Leo when it comes to mRNA-technology, virology, medicine or vaccines in general. So that's not really a good point. Many gurus and yogis are negative to the vaccine because they understand how complicated the human body is, both physical and energetic, and therefor knows that injecting a new, untested gene-therapy technology could very likely disrupt this balance. This is, like we all should know by now, not a classic vaccine but a relatively new technology. Yogis, osteopath etc have a much deeper knowledge about the energy bodies than normal doctors. Material science and medicine are clueless about so much stuff since they operate from the old paradigm. You're saying we are in a war/crisis when it comes to the virus. But is that really true if you go outside and turn off the news? I live in a country which haven't locked down during the whole pandemic and I just cant see it being as bad as they write in the media. Here in Europe more and more people are seeing through this now, from both political factions.

Feels like Leo is abit stuck in an echo-chamber when it comes to politics tbh, just like so many others nowdays with all the polarization going on. Associating every criticism of the vaccines with the opposite political faction. I don't really see any other gurus or yogis pushing these vaccines on people, quite the opposite. Anyways Leo has alot of valuable wisdom when it comes to certain spiritual topics, but this doesn't make him an expert on everything ofc. I would advice you all to not follow him blindly on this issue even if you learned alot from him when it comes to other topics. It's his forums so guess the vaccine debate won't happen here, fine by me.

This whole physical illusion is in fact conspiring, by design, to keep us/you from waking up (Leo himself has talked about this in his video about distraction). The whole thing is built upon falsehood, self deception and tricks in order to even "exist" in the first place. So ofc there will be many conspiracies ongoing (both human made but also, even more, deeper in the design itself). Individual people will play part in this by default aswell, both consciously and unconsciously, and so will, naturally, the collective too (because the collective/mainstream is a reflection of the individuals). Because of this human society has always been filled with conspiracies and deception (just look at history aswell as our current societies right now), we are literally built, as beings, to engage in such actions (some more than others) until you become fully enlightened and ego-less. Therefore it's not very wise to say "actualized.org is no place for conspiracy theories" as if you're thinking that would be a good thing. Ofc there are many crazy conspiracy theories out there which are completely untrue, but disregarding every single one just because of that fact is just plain stupid and ignorant. Edit: It's ofc true that many conspiracy theories themselves serves as a distraction if you let them. I dont usually concern myself very much with these kinds of theories but this specific one, with leaders using covid as an excuse for more authoritarianism etc, is going to affect us all very directly, too much to ignore. Bit more authority by leaders and society would'nt necessarily be bad IF those leaders and societies were wise and conscious enough to handle that power. I don't think that's the case at all for obvious reasons.

True words. Feels like this "crisis" is forcing people to show their true self. There are alot of, so called, spiritual people who talk alot and pretend to be fearless and loving while things are all good. Still many of them absolutely lost it the second a small survival threat like this showed up.

No offence but that's among the most stupid things Ive heard. Yes there are lab made things that can increase your consciousness. But there are also like a 100000 times as many labmade things that can decrease it. Generally the things that are promoted the most by the mainsteam are things that decrease it (alcohol, opiates, benzos, social media, matieral wealth, material beauty, tv etc etc) It is a fact that the mainsteam society (and what is being pushed by it) is an illusion of distraction, that are trying to prevent us from unity and waking up. Therefore you should always be very sceptical of things being promoted by this distraction. Even if we play with the idea that these "vaccines" are not physically dangerous, I would not be surprised at all if they lower your consciousness, just like any other poison could, in order to keep you distracted from the truth. This is one of the main focuses of, so called, society and politics so why not assume these injections are part of that distraction and falsehood?

Very true. People are truly falling straight into this trap. Even people who in other issues seemed sane and conscious.

Same here, AZ is not used and neither is Moderna for people under 30. Because the risk of hearth complications were deemed too high they both got stopped. Now it's coming out that Pfizer is probably just as bad tho. I believe all mRNA is more or less poision for us tbh. Got nothing against classic vaccines. I also know of several people who got very bad side effects. Sure it's anecdotal evidence and I'm not forcing anyone to believe me but not speaking out about this wouldn't feel right. People/different versions of you/me ARE getting hurt (and even dying) from mRNA-tech and this shouldnt be ignored.

I think you people from the US might have abit of a distorted view on anyone criticizing these mRNA-shots. I think because you have your crazy gunwaving eveangelical/qanon/trumpists (or whatever you call them), who are "anti-vaxx" by default, you automatically, unconsciously, associate everyone being skeptical to what's happening with those people. I think trying to look past this and being abit open minded to more perspectives would be healthy. Not everyone in the world who are questioning these "vaccines" belong to those groups or have anything else in common with them. I might be wrong, but I get that impression.

Agreed with this too. Feels like many of the teachings just flew out the window the second a small survival threat to the ego showed up. Edit: Many people live in places of the world where alot more dangerous diseases are common place. I don't see these people losing it quite like alot of people do here.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2217/fvl-2021-0280 Coming out more and more about the risk of myocarditis (inflammation of the hearth muscle) among other things from the "vaccines". If you dig into the first study (and compare with other covid statistics) you will find that especially the Moderna vaccine has around double the risk of myocarditis than the virus itself for younger people, and that's only from the numbers that are out so far. Then add booster upon booster ontop of that. Sounds healthy right? A risk worth taking in order to protect yourself from a virus that's close to harmless if you're a healthy person? A protection that only seems to last a few months and is far from waterproof. Neither does it stop the spread, which we can clearly see looking at the statistics from the countries with highest amount of vaccination, so the "solidarity" argument clearly doesn't work. Where is the logics? Edit: We've had so many athletes, atleast in Europe, now with hearth problems after taking the mRNA-shots. It's up many many times the amount of previous years. Latest it was a guy in our national football/soccer team who is now on a hearth monitor and can't play. Anyways, if you want to keep injecting this stuff it's up to you. But my advice is that you atleast do some own research before, instead of blindly following authorities in the media. Btw, I'm no "anti-vaxxer" generally. Been travelling alot in my life to tropical places like the Amazon so I've been having many vaccines. These mRNA-shots got nothing to do with classic vaccines, just so you know.

Nice projection. Your post really added alot of "coming together" to the discussion. Sometimes you need to call people out and shake them up abit in order to wake them up from a blunder.

This has nothing to do with left or right. I'm definitely not right wing. I stand as an observer and try to see both sides. You're falling for the divide and conquer tactics that are being used against us, oldest trick in the book. If its not left vs right it's black vs white or man vs woman. Latest thing is "vaxx" vs "anti-vaxx". Can't believe peoples foolishness tbh. Anyways I need to sleep. Not gonna debate more for now.

Even you must have noticed how many times people like Fauci now has provided faulty information, changed his opinion and simply lied? Some of the scientists I mentioned are even more qualified than Fauci to speak about this. Yet the media choose their specific icons/demigods that get all the space while censoring everyone else. It's just the same in my country, we have our own "Fauci" who has also been wrong about just as many things. Still he's almost the only one who get any space in the media while virologs and doctors of a different opinion all have been silenced. Don't you think it's time to see through this charade soon?

If you think that the "elite intellectuals" (infact it's more the richest, most powerful people and companies who pull the strings) have the greatest levels of compassion I genuinely feel sorry for you. I can inform you that most of these people look upon the masses as nothing more than useless eaters and rats. They mainly care about their own profit and power. This has been the case through most of human history. Power and money attracts psychopaths and narcissists. It's unfortunately not yogis running the world my friend.

You only have to look at history aswell as read some psychology. The majority/masses rarely have the wisest opinions and have over and over again been drawn into these kinds of collective-madness's.

All good.

What exactly of what I've been saying has been misinformation? Please be specific. If I see that you, collectively, have been led astray and are uniting (like one huge cult) based upon, what my research and intuition has shown me is false information, manipulation through fear and mindcontrol, then I'm gonna question this like any sane person would. If you personally still refuse to entertain different ideas then that's up to you. Yeah that's the words they try to use in order to discredit these very prominent scientists. The only thing they infact have gotten from speaking out about this has been character assassination, risking their careers aswell as being ridiculed. Not really the things you would strive after if your goal is selfish, political/business agendas, do you think?

If you get irritated by someone questioning your point of view it's an unhealthy thing, and says more about you than what it does about me. And no, not every scientist or medical expert are pro these mRNA-shots. There has been alot of whistle blowers so far. Some of them have been among the most qualified people in the world to talk about this stuff. Robert Malone (one of the inventors of mRNA-technology) is one example. Peter McCullough (one of the most prominent cardiologists in the world) is another. We also have Luc Montagnier (virologist and the nobel-prize winner for discovering HIV). These are just a few examples of a huge amount of experts who has been criticizing this "vaccine". All of them has immediately been censored from all controlled media and had their wikipedia sites changed in order to discredit their person. This censorship says alot about whats happening and also explains why not even more people has dared to speak out.

I'm not questioning peoples general fear of death. I'm questioning the irrationality in pushing for a seemingly endless amount of booster shots of mRNA-tech. If people are doing that because of fear of dying from covid (which has above 99% survival rate for healthy people) I would call that an irrational fear, yes.