BlackPhil

Eckhart Tolle has some good points about all this. Andrew Tates polularity is a counter reaction to the more feminine forces that has been rising since the 60s. Its all about balance. If it goes too far in one direction or the other there will be problems. The pendulum has to swing to create balance.

Well, there are people who cant get laid due to, lets say, being physically disabled in parts of their body, while still having the urges (just as one example among many). Ofc in this situation they will have learn to accept this fact and let it go but there are definitely many things that can prevent people from being able to fullfill all their basic needs.

Maybe not idk, but there are. Im not the uploader so not my problem. Edit: Anyways, people should be mature enough to hear Leos perspective without losing it. I might not agree with his perspective but I can listen to it and see it a such, a perspective which I can contemplate but not take as the unquestionable truth. There are many spiritual teachers with different views on this. Leo is not supposed to be your cultleader/messiah who cannot be questioned or disagreed with.

Ive heard him hint towards that direction before in other videos and also in forum posts. Edit: I now saw that there are reuploads of his video with only audio. Im gonna listen when I get time but I think I already know his position on this and I think its only partly true. Alot of people will get the wrong idea though so I can understand why he deleted the video.

Now I did not watch the video but if Leo is implying that solipsism is the truth in the sense that there is only one limited perspective that's being experienced at a "time", I do not agree with this. Your limited bubble of perception is just an imaginary thought within infinite consciousness. What you are doing by saying that this is the only perspective (that can be imagined/perceived) is the same as putting an imaginary, finite limit on something unlimited and infinite. What exactly is preventing something completely unlimited from having an infinite amount of thoughts/perspectives simultaneously? Isn't this limit you're putting on consciousness completely imaginary?

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3SCsueX2bZdbEzRtKOCEyT?si=hALhM0qGTriRrVzZei6HXg Dr. Robert Malone (inventor of the nine original mRNA vaccine patents) visits Joe Rogan to talk about the vaccines and the strange controversy and attempted character assassinations that has developed around him ever since he spoke out about the dangers of the vaccines etc. I beg you to actually listen with an open mind before you judge (or lash out with stupid labels), even if what you're hearing might go against what you currently has been led to believe is the unquestionable truth. This thread is not mainly about him as a person or what's being written in the media about him, but instead it's about the actual content of what he's saying. Listen first, and then feel free to voice your opinion. I can't find anything in what he's saying that justifies the censorship or the demonetization that he has been targeted with. I think this information is very important to get out to the public because there is so much propaganda, lies, polarization and division out there and alot of people are behaving like they are affected by a mass-psychosis to be frank (even people who appeared sane and wise regarding other topics). Even if you disagree with him it's still worth hearing a new perspective than the ones we are being spoonfed with from the media. If you do disagree I would love to hear you point out exactly what you're finding incorrect or misleading in the things he's saying.

It's 3h long and very deep and nuanced so I won't be able to give it justice that way (especially not right now without having slept). I suggest you listen instead, split it up if you can't watch it all at once. It's on Joe Rogan spotify. Don't know what other longer/detailed interviews you have watched with him recently about the current situation? Are there any? From what I know he's been censored on most other platforms.

Did you watch the new longer interview with Robert Malone? If so, what are your thoughts on the information he's giving?

That is true, to a certain degree we can (there are better examples but I'm tired like I said). But if the means we use in order to control it becomes a danger in itself we need to atleast be able to debate this without being shut down and censored.

@Carl-Richard There are "human-things" we can control and do something about and there are other things that we cannot control. No point complaining about tsunamis, hurricanes, diseases or other natural dangers being a reality we have to deal with, but when it comes to things we invent ourselves and then force upon other people it becomes a whole different story. Edit: Been up whole night working so too tired to put it in good words using English but you get my point now I hope.

@Carl-Richard You're missing the point. Ofc there are natural things that are dangerous but these are not human-made things that are being pushed or mandated on us by force.

You should definitely listen in order to give it justice. You can always split it up in sessions if you can't listen for 3h straight (you should be used to longer videos considering we're on actualized right?). Very hard to summarize all that information and it's nuances. He took the vaccines early, in good faith, because they we're back then said to combat lasting-covid, and also because he pretty much had to in order to travel etc. He developed severe hypertension among other things from it and says he's lucky to be alive. This was before all the new boosters was being pushed etc. Since then alot more information is available and he brings it all up in great detail, very objectively and only sticking to the data (you will notice he really knows what he's talking about). He goes into all of this so much deeper than people like Fauci (who in my opinion is more a political pawn than a scientist providing objective data) has ever came close to doing. So if you want information I suggest you give this a chance. It's important stuff concerning all of us during these times. His main concern is the fact that these shots are now being pushed even on children (who run extremely low risk of getting seriously ill from covid).

Well, this goes into the whole issue about criticizing something either from below or from above (something Leo has been talking about himself). There are blueish/qanon/religious people who are antivax by default and there are those of us who are skeptical about these specific mRNA-massvaccinations and mandates because of much more informed and legitimate reasons. It's very important not to generalize and lump together everyone being skeptical into one group if you want a sober view of the situation.

You're not exactly helping to promote your cause Please go on making fools out of yourselves and just proving my point.

What exactly went over my head? Try to repeat it again.

Very true. I sincerely hope he's just making an honest mistake here and not something more malicious. I just find it so strange that a person like Leo, who's literally teaching about these traps would fall into one of them this hard. If it indeed is an honest mistake I hope he will atleast have the ability to drop the ego and admit it because this is not good to push people like he has been doing on this forum. If I get banned for bringing this up I couldn't care less tbh, why would I want to remain on an authoritarian forum with an ego that can't accept criticism? Don't get me wrong, I love actualized and many of the teachings but when it comes to this subject matter I'm amazed at what's going on.

You can't be serious. Wake the fuck up. Not interested in debating more ideologs here but jesus christ what are you talking about?

Sigh. You're not clever at all my friend. I hope you're just a kid for your own sake. Anyways, I think there are still sane people out there who will actually take the time to listen before they make up their mind.

Listen to yourself. Don't you realise how ignorant and stupid you're sounding? Try to leave your limited pov for a second and open your mind. When you have listened to the podcast and have some actual arguments against what Malone is saying then I'm willing to listen. What you're trying to do now belongs in the kindergarten.

So it begins, the standard ridicule and avoiding the topic. Are you really ignorant enough to not understand that people like this have no choice other than to use alternative media and sources to get their voices heard because they get censored and banned on all controlled media? Are you really not able to make this simple conclusion? Like I said, this thread is about the content of what he's saying. Listen and stop acting like absolute fools. When you have something relevant to say regarding the subject matter, then feel free to speak. How is he supposed to use the sources you deem credible when he gets censored on those without explanation?

How would that be possible when all the people promoting the mainstream view refuse to debate people like this? Instead they try to shut them down, censor them and take them out. Doesn't this fact speak for itself?

Well, I'd rather trust natural evolution of the virus than something rushed out by humans in a lab tbh (even if this would cause my physical death). If this virus follows the normal pattern of similar viruses it will mutate to less lethal variants (which seems to already be the case with omicron). These mRNA-shots only last for a short period and obviously doesnt stop the spread nor people from getting the disease so I don't really see the big benefit here in the longrun? Most people will instead end up with both getting the virus plus potential side-effects from the mRNA-shots. And the fact remains that covid is pretty much harmless for younger people, while the vaccines has shown to cause hearth problems (especially for young men). This means I don't really see the big benefit here? If it was either or (and the vaccines was one effective shot that made you immune for a long time) it would be a different story. But it's not. The worst part is that they're trying to force the jabs upon people tho. I don't have anything against letting people do as they wish. The problem starts when it becomes (more or less) mandatory. When media and politicians create more polarization and division through demonization of people who don't want to be part of the experiment. This is the real problem.

Nobody is mandating ibuprofen are they? On implementing ibuprofen passports for you to access basic services in society? Ofc not, and there's where the problem lies. Apart from that ibuprofen is well tested and we know the long term side effects. These vaccines we do not know but are still trying to push them on the whole human race, over and over, pretty much by force. I hope you can see the difference?

Wrong post.

Omg, what are you even talking about... Since when is the vaccine having side effects a conspiracy theory? You're the one being an ideolog if anyone here. All medications have side-effects and this seems to have pretty serious ones, that's not a conspiracy. This forum is about personal development, spirituality and enlightment. Physical and mental health goes hand in hand with this. Discussing potential side effects from the vaccines is ofc very relevant because such things can complicate all these things we are working towards. Would advice you to open your mind abit and stop being so judgemental to everyone with a different opinion. If not I can promise you it will prevent your spiritual development.